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Trent

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OK I was in the local pool hall last night, cushions in westerville ohio,
and there was a class going on with about 6 students and a very large man coaching.
the man coaching i have never seen in my life and im around pool 24-7 so if its a "face" i would know right? well as i watch this guy and listen to what hes saying to these students you can tell he didnt know anything about the game!!
after his class i talked to one of his students who informed me that they are paying 150 for 2 hrs and there going to go through six classes like that.
after a touch of research i found out the man is a 3 in APA 9ball and not certified as a instructor.

Do you tell the class that the guy is a fraud and your wasting your money?

what would you do?
 
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If he REALLY doesn't know what hes talking about or how to teach I'd tell one of the students so he/she can pass it along to the others. Not too many years ago I'd just shake the guy down for $50 a student or say, unless I'm telling. I've come a long way baby...huh? Johnnyt
 
Trent said:
OK I was in the local pool hall last night, cushions in westerville ohio,
and there was a class going on with about 6 students and a very large man coaching.
the man coaching i have never seen in my life and im around pool 24-7 so if its a "face" i would know right? well as i watch this guy and listen to what hes saying to these students you can tell he didnt know anything about the game!!
after his class i talked to one of his students who informed me that they are paying 150 for 2 hrs and there going to go through six classes like that.
after a touch of research i found out the man is a 3 in APA 9ball and not certified as a instructor.

Do you tell the class that the guy is a fraud and your wasting your money?

what would you do?

i just hate to see people who have a intrest and want to learn the sport, get taken advantage of and get a bad taste for it right from the start.
:mad:
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I would ask him in front of some students why he thinks he is qualified to teach anyone.
 
I've been told you can get lessons from Stevie Moore for 5hrs at 300 bucks...which equals to 60 an hr... Very reasonable...
That is what was told to me and not from Stevie so if you ask him and it is different then please don't bring this reply up...cause he is worth more than that...
 
its 150 for 2 hours per student.

and just by watching you can tell hes creating problems.

and the students are like fresh like maybe have hit 10 serious racks in their lives.

i think if i see him in there again im going to pipe in.
 
Trent said:
its 150 for 2 hours per student.

and just by watching you can tell hes creating problems.

and the students are like fresh like maybe have hit 10 serious racks in their lives.

i think if i see him in there again im going to pipe in.
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Don't be jealous, everybody's got to make a living.
 
Trent said:
OK I was in the local pool hall last night, cushions in westerville ohio,
and there was a class going on with about 6 students and a very large man coaching.
the man coaching i have never seen in my life and im around pool 24-7 so if its a "face" i would know right? well as i watch this guy and listen to what hes saying to these students you can tell he didnt know anything about the game!!
after his class i talked to one of his students who informed me that they are paying 150 for 2 hrs and there going to go through six classes like that.
after a touch of research i found out the man is a 3 in APA 9ball and not certified as a instructor.

Do you tell the class that the guy is a fraud and your wasting your money?

what would you do?

i just hate to see people who have a intrest and want to learn the sport, get taken advantage of and get a bad taste for it right from the start.
:mad:
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Hi Guys,

Tom Simpson here. I'd like to straighten this out immediately. The gentleman you saw teaching is Jim Wyant, BCA Advanced Instructor. He has taught with me for many years, and he does indeed know what he's talking about. He is not an APA player. You are confusing him with someone else.

Jim took over teaching the Beginner Clinic when I moved away from Columbus. That program is FUN oriented, meaning we are not focused on details of form and technical grasp, as we are with experienced players. So, sometimes, the things we're saying to beginners might seem strange to more experienced players, but they are designed to get them pocketing balls and having fun very quickly.

The class is actually four 2-1/2 hour sessions, and costs a total of $150, including table time. So, if you take out the table time, players are only paying about $10 per hour. Very modest pricing, IMO.

You are welcome to call me if you feel a need to discuss curriculum design.
 
Good work Tom!

Rep to Tom for setting the record straight and avoiding an embarassing situation for others! :thumbup:
 
Great players don't necessarily make great teachers, and poor player don't either. Teaching is about the transfer of knowledge and concepts. It is possible, although unlikely, for a poor player to understand the game a be adept at communicating it.

If you have watched and listed to some poor instructions, then yes, this guy is scamming them.

Maybe the contract was to teach "hustling". If that is the case, then the lesson is how to get $150 for two hours from 6 suckers. :frown:
 
Trent,
IMO I would first talk to the owner of the pool room.

This will take you out of the picture of being a 'whistle blower' to the instructor and his students.

Let the owner handle the situation. It is his business. Also, he may already know about the class and the instructor.


Trent said:
its 150 for 2 hours per student.

and just by watching you can tell hes creating problems.

and the students are like fresh like maybe have hit 10 serious racks in their lives.

i think if i see him in there again im going to pipe in.
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Trent said:
its 150 for 2 hours per student.

and just by watching you can tell hes creating problems.

and the students are like fresh like maybe have hit 10 serious racks in their lives.

i think if i see him in there again im going to pipe in.
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If this in a pool hall that you are in often then you most likely know the owner or manager. I would speak to him before I did anything. This way you don't cause tensions. Odds are he would prefer to not have poor instruction going on but I would speak with him before I called someone out on a business practice in his business.
 
Trent said:
OK I was in the local pool hall last night, cushions in westerville ohio,
and there was a class going on with about 6 students and a very large man coaching.
the man coaching i have never seen in my life and im around pool 24-7 so if its a "face" i would know right? well as i watch this guy and listen to what hes saying to these students you can tell he didnt know anything about the game!!
after his class i talked to one of his students who informed me that they are paying 150 for 2 hrs and there going to go through six classes like that.
after a touch of research i found out the man is a 3 in APA 9ball and not certified as a instructor.

Do you tell the class that the guy is a fraud and your wasting your money?

what would you do?

i just hate to see people who have a intrest and want to learn the sport, get taken advantage of and get a bad taste for it right from the start.
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What was said? What didn't you agree with?
 
I have truly thought this through. I am not champion speed, but have played, "Play, Played" for almost 25 years. With most all that have been in this area. I would be most willing on Thursdays to offer two hours, two weeks in a row to however many people show up. I am NOT certified; however, was undefeated in eleven matches as a "7" in the APA. I have matched up with every swinging di#$ I could find. I played Cliff with the six, Tony Ellen with the six, offered the Oyster even action, etc. etc. In other words, I'm no stranger to league, tourneys, and most definitely the action. I will do this for my table time. You might not get shit out of it. You might jump two balls. PM me.
 
crawfish said:
I have truly thought this through. I am not champion speed, but have played, "Play, Played" for almost 25 years. With most all that have been in this area. I would be most willing on Thursdays to offer two hours, two weeks in a row to however many people show up. I am NOT certified; however, was undefeated in eleven matches as a "7" in the APA. I have matched up with every swinging di#$ I could find. I played Cliff with the six, Tony Ellen with the six, offered the Oyster even action, etc. etc. In other words, I'm no stranger to league, tourneys, and most definitely the action. I will do this for my table time. You might not get shit out of it. You might jump two balls. PM me.
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If you offered the Oyster even action, was that with him fully clothed or naked? If he was naked - could he spot you?

Dave
 
SpiderWebComm said:
If you offered the Oyster even action, was that with him fully clothed or naked? If he was naked - could he spot you?

Dave
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If he can't win with the seven, what makes him think he can beat the 7 3/4?

And no, before you guys start offering to call him and I give him the seven, it's a joke. I will, however, play the game I offered him when we first met. If I am ever in Florida, I will oblige. EVEN...
 
SpiderWebComm said:
If you offered the Oyster even action, was that with him fully clothed or naked? If he was naked - could he spot you?

Dave
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Oops, sorry, the ol' double post syndrome.
 
It's important to get the facts first. As shown by Tom Simpson.

I do think it's also important to do something when you know people are being taken advatage of. Case in point I was in a chain gaming store that sold cues. This store sells cues at aprox 200% markup from what I can see. The problem is they are in the popular shopping centres and unless someone does a bit of research they wouldn't know where to go in the city.

There was a guy in there looking at cues and the salesman was doing a great job of selling a $60 cuetech for well over $200. It was obvious this was going to be the guys first cue. While the guy was talking it over with his girlfriend I asked the salesman if he was on commission and got a negative. I asked then if I could steer his customer to a better deal, knowing he could get a Viking or a McDermmot with a lifetime warranty for the amount of money he was willing to spend.

The salesman to his credit was agreeable to this or at least indifferent, so I approached the guy and pointed him to the guy that runs the proshop at one of the pool halls I frequent. I gave him directions and the phone number. I asked later at the proshop if the guy had come in and found out he had purchased a nice McDermot.
 
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