Real Jerry Franklin?

Thank you sir! I did't think so either. I never remember a wt. bolt in any of the ones that I have looked into. Just wanted to make sure and hear it from somebody else besides myself.
 
rhncue said:
That is not a Southwest cue, Jerry Franklin nor otherwise.

Dick
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Someone thinks it is something with the price going up as it is. Care to wager an educated guess as to what it is? Or is it just speculation causing the bids?
 
mattb said:
Someone thinks it is something with the price going up as it is. Care to wager an educated guess as to what it is? Or is it just speculation causing the bids?
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It just goes to show how many gullible people there are. Always thinking they are getting something for nothing. Not this particular model but I have bought and resold very similar models of Kaiser cues, acquired from J&J, purchased wholesale with two shafts for 47.50. One pool hall near me was selling them for 279.00. I sold them for 100.00. A pretty good buy for a hundred but up to over 800.00? Ridiculous!

Dick
 
mattb said:
Someone thinks it is something with the price going up as it is. Care to wager an educated guess as to what it is? Or is it just speculation causing the bids?
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I would guess it is a Mohawk from around the 1990's. There were more then a few guys back then who would scrape the name off and spray a little finish and try to pass them off as Southwest. Below is an example of their 4 pointer but the 6 pointer could pass for a Southwest.

http://www.proficientbilliards.com/cues/mohawk.htm

Amazing, they were actually a nice cue and not very expensive. There was no doubt though they were attempting to knock off Southwest.
 
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rhncue said:
It just goes to show how many gullible people there are. Always thinking they are getting something for nothing. Not this particular model but I have bought and resold very similar models of Kaiser cues, acquired from J&J, purchased wholesale with two shafts for 47.50. One pool hall near me was selling them for 279.00. I sold them for 100.00. A pretty good buy for a hundred but up to over 800.00? Ridiculous!

Dick
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I use to buy from them too, sold them to league players for about the same price that as You mention. seems like some of them were J&J, although I bought the kaiser models from Them too, so who knows it could have been some of those that looked Like SW. Some of them seemed decent for the little money, better then Your average walmart selection, but not the real deal.

I have an old friend that has a real one though, he has had It as long as I can remember, and said the wait was long even back when he had It made. I think It's a Franklin era cue. It has green veneer similar to the one listed. He plays On My league team, and I can't believe some of the places he takes that cue to use It.. I keep telling him That he needs to put that thing away before someone falls into or kicks It by accident.. It has a few minor places on It here and there, but still in decent shape just needs some finish work and a new wrap or good cleaning. It still has the same tip that I put on it over 3 years ago. He had a Gus Szamboti at one time too, and really regrets letting that go. I'm doing some work on one of his other cues now plugging and re threading the shafts for him..
 
manwon said:
Never seen a Southwest cue that looks like that with the bumper removed. It could be a J&J America or other similar brand import cue, the bumper and the weight bolt itself are both parts that are present on many imports.
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Good catch Craig.
Didn't SW put their bolt by bolting the sleeve itself to the handle ?
I have an x-ray of one and it shocked the heck out of me.
Ingenious design.
 
I send the seller a message days ago regarding the bumper and weight bolt and other details. If you look at the pic that shows the tops of the points, the 2 long points, the lengths don't look like they match enough to be of even early S.W. quality. Looks like at least 1/4" difference in height. And the top of the points don't look as razor sharp as they should be. Not sure if it should have the thin black rings right above and below the wrap (neither of my 2 have them). There is some space around the bottom of the joint pin where you can see below the wood line, (on mine, there is no space at the bottom of the pins.
Bidding was over 2k when I wrote this. I think someone is going to be really disappointed in a few days unless it gets canceled. At least he has 14 day return....... just my .02,,, worth about .0005 in today's market!
 
r9ball said:
I send the seller a message days ago regarding the bumper and weight bolt and other details. If you look at the pic that shows the tops of the points, the 2 long points, the lengths don't look like they match enough to be of even early S.W. quality. Looks like at least 1/4" difference in height. And the top of the points don't look as razor sharp as they should be. Not sure if it should have the thin black rings right above and below the wrap (neither of my 2 have them). There is some space around the bottom of the joint pin where you can see below the wood line, (on mine, there is no space at the bottom of the pins.
Bidding was over 2k when I wrote this. I think someone is going to be really disappointed in a few days unless it gets canceled. At least he has 14 day return....... just my .02,,, worth about .0005 in today's market!
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Well you know what they say, a fool and his money are going to part if we all sit here and do nothing about it which I think is wrong.

I just contacted eBay and reported the item listed as a copy / import from China. If the seller is a forum member please feel free to contact me about the report that I sent to ebay. At this point I do not think that the seller is being dishonest, I suspect he just doesn't know what the facts are himself. The reason I say this is because of the other items the seller has for sale, which are books and Jewelry. So I suspect that he was also fooled by the design because he certainly doesn't sound like an expert according to the item description. I hope this will end the auction so no one is taken advantage of.

For those who did not know it, on the first page of the auction information on all eBay auctions there is a place where you can report any auction that is out of line to eBay.
 
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manwon said:
Never seen a Southwest cue that looks like that with the bumper removed. It could be a J&J America or other similar brand import cue, the bumper and the weight bolt itself are both parts that are present on many imports.
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you can also see the lathe spur marks by the edges of the bolt hole
 
I also sent the buyer an email asking him to send the cue to SW for authentication before posting here. I was 99% sure the cue was not a SW, but, did not voice my opinion to the seller. I simply offered advice.
 
SC02GTP said:
I also sent the buyer an email asking him to send the cue to SW for authentication before posting here. I was 99% sure the cue was not a SW, but, did not voice my opinion to the seller. I simply offered advice.
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The seller knows it is not a Southwest, they started the auction at $9.99. They are fully aware of what a Southwest cue is and what it would be worth if it was a Southwest from reading what they say in the ad. They as much as saying, "Hay, is anybody out there who is stupid enough to think this is a Southwest, go for it". I doubt there is anyway the buyer will pay. How did you get the buyers email address?
 
r9ball said:
I send the seller a message days ago regarding the bumper and weight bolt and other details. If you look at the pic that shows the tops of the points, the 2 long points, the lengths don't look like they match enough to be of even early S.W. quality. Looks like at least 1/4" difference in height. And the top of the points don't look as razor sharp as they should be. Not sure if it should have the thin black rings right above and below the wrap (neither of my 2 have them). There is some space around the bottom of the joint pin where you can see below the wood line, (on mine, there is no space at the bottom of the pins.
Bidding was over 2k when I wrote this. I think someone is going to be really disappointed in a few days unless it gets canceled. At least he has 14 day return....... just my .02,,, worth about .0005 in today's market!
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To be honest, we should not just mind our own business. We should make complaints to ebay before this auction is over. It is a deceptive sale. If ebay gets like a few dozen complaints they may act.
 
I contacted the seller, not the buyer. It was late and I was brain dead when I typed that, my bad. The seller only responded by saying "that is a good idea".........
 
I forwarded the listing to Laurie at SW Cues since it did not look authentic with the weight bolt, bumper and ring above the wrap. She responded and said it is not a SW cue. Auction has now topped $2,000.:eek:
 
Yes the sale was pulled, I contact ebay last night and reported the auction. I recieved a thank you from ebay and I was told they were going to contact the seller and pull the auction.

I guess some time things do work out were ebay is concerned, I will bet the buyer doesn't even know how close they came to getting screwed.
 
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