Real what would you do here??

Neil said:
I looked at putting the 2 onto the 1. I don't like it. He then has ball in hand, and even the "bad" players can get an easy safe from there. So... doing that, I am no better off than I am now, and could be worse off!

Another option would be to go the the foot rail and spin back to the side rail past the side pocket, and hope for a hit that didn't sell out. However, that would require a slight masse due to the position of the 9, so the odds just went way down on that shot.

Tying up another ball is an option, but would be difficult to do well. I went with the masse. The balls are close together, so aiming it was easy to do. After the aim, your speed is the determining factor. On a shot like this, I feel I am 50/50 on making it, and 95/5 on hitting it. I did make it, and had a pretty little angle on the 2 to easily follow and get perfect on the 3 for the runnout.

Most never even look at the masse possibility. Good going on those that did! Ones like this are not really hard. No more difficult than a lot of bank shots. It's just a matter of knowing HOW to aim it, and then practicing them some to get the right feel for the speed on them.

It's always nice to have the extra arrows in your quiver when you need them!


I'd really consider one rail kick off the long just above the 2 ball max left bringing it back to the 1.

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Neil if your pic is acurate why not jump it in you should be able to hit it soft enough to have a cut on the 2 if not youll be able to play safe off the 2.If you hit it to hard and miss the ones coming back into the 2 and whiteys goin up table

Or it looks like theres a 4 rail kick safe there
 
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Neil said:
Aren't you concerned about leaving an easy safety for your opponent? Seems like it would be fairly easy for him to leave the cb at the other end of the table with a lot of junk between you and the one.??
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thats the best shot for me.
 
Big Perm said:
Neil, I'd go for the hit....in your picture, I'd go to the bottom rail where the 4 is.....I'd hit that first dot, just below the 4, and juice up a lot of left english to bring it back towards the 1.....with a little luck, I get a legal hit....if I juice it up a little much, I still knock the 2 towards the 1 and hope to tie them up....but then again, I lose a lot :D
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Exactly my thoughts. This is the way to play agressive, safe and give yourself a chane to win. I hit the 1 at least 90% of the time, make it probably 40%. Something good will happen....right?
 
Neil said:
While sometimes that is your only option, and is a viable option, I see four problems with it in this case. 1. You have a very small window to get by the two. 2. You hit it good and make it, you have a good chance of no shot or a tough shot on the 2. 3. You hit it a hair to thin for the make, you have a sellout guaranteed, 4. You miss it on the way in and hit the one after contacting the rail behind it. In that case, depending on speed, you either leave a shot, or leave him an easy safety that will be hard to come back with another one on your end.

I feel that in THIS case, the masse is actually easier. You hit it good, you have the out. You hit it too thin on the high side, you leave a possible combo on the 2 or no shot. You hit it too thin on the low side, you leave him playing safe, or leave him a shot in the far corner. Two out of three good things is what I went with.
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I'll agree this is a touchy feely shot which depends on the table and ball conditions and has the many end result drawbacks mentioned. As far as the 2 ball clearence I made the angle to the first rail shallow because many times the table won't allow anything much steeper but with the angle drawn you have at least a half ball clearence. Either shot is difficult and speed is critical. Too much or too little spin on the masse can result in many problems too.

I think its dependent on confidence whether to masse or this option. You have more confidence in masse. I kick better than masse.

Nice shot!!
 
3kushn said:
I'll agree this is a touchy feely shot ...

As far as the 2 ball clearence I made the angle to the first rail shallow because many times the table won't allow anything much steeper but with the angle drawn you have at least a half ball clearence.
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ANd adding draw to the kick allows increased clearance.

Worried about a sellout? No more with the kick than with the masse. In fact, the kick has the potential for distance left on a missed 1b, while the masse does not.

Thanks for contributing too, CB.
 
Black-Balled said:
ANd adding draw to the kick allows increased clearance.

Worried about a sellout? No more with the kick than with the masse. In fact, the kick has the potential for distance left on a missed 1b, while the masse does not.

Thanks for contributing too, CB.
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All very true, but if you contact the two ball then you sell out... chances are that if you miss the shot it will be due to over englishing the cb, leading to a fuller hit on the 2 ball.
 
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