Really old Simonis cloth...

RoryHunt

RoryHunt

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My team played a league game against a bar that had three tables set up with Simonis cloth. Now, I live in the middle of no where in Oregon, and have to travel 20 miles to play some of our rival league teams and because of that, I haven't played at most of these places until we actually match up on league night. When the team we played last night was at our place, they were bragging about how fast their tables played, and saying they had Simonis cloth and all that.

So, when I get there last night to play them, I start warming up, and these tables all had 4 year old Simonis cloth on them and it was like playing on a gym floor. You could get the ball to go up and back 6 or 7 times fairly easily. My team got destroyed, nobody could get shape, and these guys played great, much better than the time at our house. Now, I am not upset that we got beat, cuz I figure with about 3 days of solid playing on that crap, my team could have evened the playing field a bit. What I am curious about is, is Simonis supposed to be THAT FAST? I watch pros on ESPN and streaming stuff from TAR and though it looks fast, this was ridiculous. Am I wrong? Bitter?

Thanks.
 
RoryHunt said:
My team got destroyed, nobody could get shape, and these guys played great, much better than the time at our house.
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Well, my guess is they had trouble with your slow cloth when they came to your place. It's give and take, and why you usually get to play a team at your place and then at their place. Home field advantage if you're not used to the conditions.

I like to show up early and get a feel for the roll when I play away.
 
i have alot of opinions on this topic, and am going to start a thread about it this week, I have been thinking, watching simonis cloth for the past few months, so when I make my thread I can support my opinion, for now I will give my opinion of simonis cloth made in the last 2-3 years-It totally SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The older cloth was great. 860 is what i'm refering to
 
Yeah, I understand that Justin. That's what I said in the original post. What I was wondering was is Simonis supposed to be that fast?
 
RoryHunt said:
My team played a league game against a bar that had three tables set up with Simonis cloth. Now, I live in the middle of no where in Oregon, and have to travel 20 miles to play some of our rival league teams and because of that, I haven't played at most of these places until we actually match up on league night. When the team we played last night was at our place, they were bragging about how fast their tables played, and saying they had Simonis cloth and all that.

So, when I get there last night to play them, I start warming up, and these tables all had 4 year old Simonis cloth on them and it was like playing on a gym floor. You could get the ball to go up and back 6 or 7 times fairly easily. My team got destroyed, nobody could get shape, and these guys played great, much better than the time at our house. Now, I am not upset that we got beat, cuz I figure with about 3 days of solid playing on that crap, my team could have evened the playing field a bit. What I am curious about is, is Simonis supposed to be THAT FAST? I watch pros on ESPN and streaming stuff from TAR and though it looks fast, this was ridiculous. Am I wrong? Bitter?

Thanks.
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I once in a great while play in a tournament at a place like this. The cloth has been on the tables so long its like playing on glass or something. The cue ball and object balls, its like playing with zero gravity they just keep rolling and rolling. I find it helps if you can play patterns where you just try and keep the cue ball in the middle of the table and don't play a rail unless you have to. I agree its frustrating to lose literally because of the equipment. Simonis is never that fast unless all the nap is worn off completely making it slick ( we joke about the place changing the oil in the felt) I guess some places change the felt every 5 years or 50,000 miles.
 
Extremely worn cloth of any kind will thin out quite a bit over time, and yes, play faster then normal, but that is not the fault of the cloth....it's the fault of the OWNER! Stop playing there unless they take better care of their pool tables. Second thing that can make a table play that fast is low nose height on the cushions, which will also be seen with ball hop off the rails, did the cue ball hop off the rails?

Glen
 
RoryHunt said:
My team played a league game against a bar that had three tables set up with Simonis cloth. Now, I live in the middle of no where in Oregon, and have to travel 20 miles to play some of our rival league teams and because of that, I haven't played at most of these places until we actually match up on league night. When the team we played last night was at our place, they were bragging about how fast their tables played, and saying they had Simonis cloth and all that.

So, when I get there last night to play them, I start warming up, and these tables all had 4 year old Simonis cloth on them and it was like playing on a gym floor. You could get the ball to go up and back 6 or 7 times fairly easily. My team got destroyed, nobody could get shape, and these guys played great, much better than the time at our house. Now, I am not upset that we got beat, cuz I figure with about 3 days of solid playing on that crap, my team could have evened the playing field a bit. What I am curious about is, is Simonis supposed to be THAT FAST? I watch pros on ESPN and streaming stuff from TAR and though it looks fast, this was ridiculous. Am I wrong? Bitter?

Thanks.
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I take it you checked the date the cloth was put on the tables? Was it 860? 760? 950? 300? :grin:
Did you measure the cushion height?

I know one room in Indiana that has 760 on 7' barboxes despite the fact they were told the cloth was way too fast
but their players like it.
 
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realkingcobra said:
Extremely worn cloth of any kind will thin out quite a bit over time, and yes, play faster then normal, but that is not the fault of the cloth....it's the fault of the OWNER! Stop playing there unless they take better care of their pool tables. Second thing that can make a table play that fast is low nose height on the cushions, which will also be seen with ball hop off the rails, did the cue ball hop off the rails?

Glen
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Hopped like crazy, almost seemed like it picked up speed off the rails...lol!
 
RoryHunt said:
Hopped like crazy, almost seemed like it picked up speed off the rails...lol!
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Yep...LOL Are these Dynamo or Global coin-op tables by any chance? No matter, the speed of the table is not because of the cloth, it's because the cushions are to low. When the cue ball hops off the rails like that it takes longer for the cue ball to slow down, that's what makes the table play so fast, not the worn cloth:wink:

Glen
 
I went to a place that had tables like this. Very frustrating. There's fast and then theres glass. All the diamond tables i have played on had 860 on them(i think...USBTC) which i consider fast, but at the same time nice to play on. But if your on a table and the cue ball is rolling 1/2 the table length farther than it should have, you might as well be playing air hockey.
 
My 8-footer runs on Simonis 760, and is not that fast. However it is slowly getting faster as time goes by (its around 1000 hours of use and appears to be about 1/2 way through its life).

When you find yourself on a table with a fast cloth, you must err on the side of delicasy over power if you want any position. Until you get a hang of the speed, stick with the more basic stop-shot and float the CB around.
 
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