recognizing cut angles

kwoshunli said:
Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of time.. I only get to play 3 hours a week because of my busy schedule.

Do you recommend any for me?
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The drills I have in mind will require some time to do, so they are not really suitable for your schedule. If you only play 3 hours a week and you want to spend some/most of that in games with friends or competitors, your progress is guaranteed to be slow.

What is your present level of play? How many years have you played? Have you ever read any books about how to play? What is the difficulty of the shots that you have trouble with? (How long are they?)
 
kwoshunli said:
I am working on my fundamentals and I believe I'm now shooting and aiming straight.. I'm only a c player.. I run racks some times.. But most of my misses are due to cut angles such as
slightly less or more than a half ball hit, like 35 or 25 degrees..
Slightly less or more than a quarter ball hit, 40 or 55 degrees..
Slightly less or more than a 3/4 ball overlap 10 or 20 degrees..

There are the angles giving me most inconsistencies..
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Shoot each of these difficult angles 10,000 times each. And the problem will have gone away.
 
That was quite a complex document Ekkes o_o
At first glance it seems too technical to be a practical method for learning cut angles,
though I can see you took some time to simplify it and give it a nice presentation.
I thank you for sharing it and for the work you put into it.

But, not trying to be a jerk, does anyone actually learn to cut balls this way?
I've never met one yet.

I think the way we successfully learn cut angles is a lot simpler than
some of the systems and explanations I see online.

At the simplest level, what you are seeing is two circles, a cue ball and an object ball.
From very close it's easy to mentally 'slice' the object ball into fractions,
i.e. 1/3rd ball hit, half ball hit, 1/8th, etc. So when the CB and OB are 3 inches apart,
I can imagine someone figuring out the angle of the shot, then deciding to hit, say, 1/4th of the ball.

Up close, they can then just visually overlap the edge of the cue ball with the 1/4th "mark" on the OB.

But this does not work at longer distances. The object ball is smaller at longer distances.
Visually, a quarter ball hit at 2 feet looks different than a quarter ball hit at 4 feet.

So, you need imagination to figure out a line of aim that will cause the cue ball
*at the moment of impact* to overlap 1/4th of the object ball.

So how do we gain this imagination? Unfortunately I don't think any website can
give it to you. I believe it's simple experience. Our brain remembers familiar shot situations
the same way it remembers familiar faces.
"Oh yeah, that guy with the big black eyebrows is named bob"
"Oh yeah, I remember when I aimed in this direction before, with a very similar cut, the ball went in"

Knowing the overlap (i.e. 1/4 ball at moment of impact), or the number of degrees of the cut,
doesn't actually help your eyes recognize when the big circle correctly overlaps the smaller circle.
Experience tells you that.

The short answer for the OP: practice the cuts you struggle with at a variety of distances,
maybe even on a variety of tables, until they look familiar. Familiar = easier.
 
Tramp Steamer said:
I was using a peace sign the other night, playing One Pocket, in order to ascertain the correct angle on a pesky little cross rail bank.
I must have been taking too much time to shoot because my opponent was sitting across the way giving me half a peace sign. :)
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:clapping: Good one ... made me chuckle.
 
You have the answers to your question..........

CreeDo said:
That was quite a complex document Ekkes o_o
At first glance it seems too technical to be a practical method for learning cut angles,
though I can see you took some time to simplify it and give it a nice presentation.
I thank you for sharing it and for the work you put into it.

But, not trying to be a jerk, does anyone actually learn to cut balls this way?
I've never met one yet.

I think the way we successfully learn cut angles is a lot simpler than
some of the systems and explanations I see online.

At the simplest level, what you are seeing is two circles, a cue ball and an object ball.
From very close it's easy to mentally 'slice' the object ball into fractions,
i.e. 1/3rd ball hit, half ball hit, 1/8th, etc. So when the CB and OB are 3 inches apart,
I can imagine someone figuring out the angle of the shot, then deciding to hit, say, 1/4th of the ball.

Up close, they can then just visually overlap the edge of the cue ball with the 1/4th "mark" on the OB.

But this does not work at longer distances. The object ball is smaller at longer distances.
Visually, a quarter ball hit at 2 feet looks different than a quarter ball hit at 4 feet.

So, you need imagination to figure out a line of aim that will cause the cue ball
*at the moment of impact* to overlap 1/4th of the object ball.

So how do we gain this imagination? Unfortunately I don't think any website can
give it to you. I believe it's simple experience. Our brain remembers familiar shot situations
the same way it remembers familiar faces.
"Oh yeah, that guy with the big black eyebrows is named bob"
"Oh yeah, I remember when I aimed in this direction before, with a very similar cut, the ball went in"

Knowing the overlap (i.e. 1/4 ball at moment of impact), or the number of degrees of the cut,
doesn't actually help your eyes recognize when the big circle correctly overlaps the smaller circle.
Experience tells you that.

The short answer for the OP: practice the cuts you struggle with at a variety of distances,
maybe even on a variety of tables, until they look familiar. Familiar = easier.
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Hi there CreeDo,
I'm still hoping that you call me for the free phone lesson.

Right now your the only one of the 23 Perfect Aim review guys that didn't call me and the only one that doesn't quite understand these things.

I have found that with many players we need some help with understanding how all this works.

I agree that maybe Ekkes charts are a little challenging and players might quit trying to figure out how to do it.

I assure you the measurement technique in the final chapter of the Perfect Aim video is very simple. A first grader could do it.

With the phone lesson you would be able to envision the overlap on these longer shots. Unless you have these eyes in the correct position for many players it is like a crap shoot.

I sure hope you will call me. I want to help you step up that game of your.

I know from experience that this call will open up a whole new world for you playing pool.

715-563-8712 Thanks for doing the review with the other 22 AZers.

Looking forward to your call. Just want to help..........
 
theUBC,

Don't quote me on this, but your PDF that you have posted says the diameter of cue balls is 5.72 mm. I think you mean 'cm', not 'mm'. big difference.
 
theUBC said:
I have uploaded a pdf in which I explain in Detail how to determine the angle of a pool shot.

Click on the link and it will lead you to the document. There you can eather read the document online (scroll down) or download it. EDIT: in case the document does not open to read it online, please click on download-then just click on the
button to go back (in Windows up at the left upper Corner of your Screen) and click again on "read online"


http://pdfcast.org/pdf/angles-of-pool-shots-and-what-you-have-to-know-about-it

Hope that this will help people!

Ekkes
www.see-system.com
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That PDF looks pretty interesting Ekkes!! I will give it a try and see if I can get it work :)
 
Geno, I'll give you that call. I'll try tonight actually. I was all set to last week and some friends came into the pool hall and... you know how it goes.
 
I'm ready right now If your by a table.

CreeDo said:
Geno, I'll give you that call. I'll try tonight actually. I was all set to last week and some friends came into the pool hall and... you know how it goes.
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I'm going to head down to Brickyard to see if I can get a game. That won't be for a couple of hours though....

Looking forward to it. Talk to you soon........
 
The first method( first 3 pages) takes around 3-5 seconds to recognize the approximate angle and your tip shows you exactly where to aim at.

The diamond system takes time to understand... and to practice. But I am able to tell ach angle within around 5 seconds.

I just wanted you to show a way how to determine a certain angle.

In the see- system for example you only need to know if the balls are laying in between an angle of 0 and 22.5 degrees = category 1
An angle between 23 and 54 degrees is category and steeper angles up to 75 degrees is category 3.

My system does take speed/distance/ and kind of stroke into account! Even spin can be taken into account.
As different folks have different cues/strokes/deflection of shaft the sighting lines for side spin are individual but I show how to adjust for it until you have found your personal sighting lines!

So it is not about knowing each angle exactly but only about being able to see if the balls are in category 1/2 or 3.


On my website you can watch sample videos for free for category 1

www.See-system.com
 
Thanks everyone!!!

Now I'm confused which idea to study first after so many people contributing so many ideas!

I apologize if i could not respond specifically to people since there are a lot of them haha :thumbup:

I'll let this thread know what i came up with. Thanks again!

Keep them coming!
 
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