Recommendation for a table vacuum

Hi Dan:

The Dyson DC-31 handheld that I have came with a kit of attachments, and one of them is a six-inch-wide "rectangular horn" for vacuuming hard floors. Around the perimeter of this "horn" is that same red velvet-ish directional material used on lint wands, where if you wipe in one direction, it picks up the lint; in the other direction the lint is removed.

Their website doesn't seem to show this attachment. Look toward the bottom of this page and take a look, if you would. Are any of those attachments what you are talking about?

http://www.dyson.com/vacuums/handhelds/dc34/dc34/specifications.aspx
 
From their website, here's what Simonis has to say on the subject (ignore the X-1 plugs if you want to):

"The cloth can be brushed, but to remove the chalk and talc powders, it can be cleaned with the new Simonis X-1® or it can be carefully vacuumed with a non-rotating brush-head attachment that does not allow for too much suction to be formed. Some small vacuums can pick up bowling balls, but this will only stretch the cloth on the table and possibly harm the grouting of the slates as well. You should test your vacuum and brush attachment off of the table first to make certain that it is not going to damage the play surface. Less is more in this department. After all, you are trying to remove a fine powder from a smooth cloth, so don't overdo it. The Simonis X-1®, is a new device that will allow you to keep your cloth in great playing condition and extent the cloth's life.

The cloth can also be wiped with a damp (not wet) clean towel. This should only be done after the table has been vacuumed otherwise the dampness may cause the chalk dust to clump together (think of it as adding water to dry clay). Once the dampness has evaporated, a quick brushing is all you will need before playing as moisture will cause the fibers in the cloth to stand up and a quick brushing will smooth things out."
 
Their website doesn't seem to show this attachment. Look toward the bottom of this page and take a look, if you would. Are any of those attachments what you are talking about?

http://www.dyson.com/vacuums/handhelds/dc34/dc34/specifications.aspx

Hmm... it looks like they don't have that attachment anymore. This one seems to be the closest replacement (albeit the hose is mounted at one end of the "horn" and not in the middle):

http://dyson.com/tools/s/soft-dusting-brush/softdustingbrush.aspx

This one seems to have the "directional felt" via the below clause, although the felt on the old attachment was around the perimeter and not a strip down the middle:

"It has a felt strip down the middle of the brush to help protect some polished and delicate surfaces from scratching."

Should still do the trick, though.

Again, the Dyson is not cheap, but it's a one-time expense that will last you a lifetime, and you'll be really happy with its performance. Not only on your pool table, but for your car as well.

-Sean
 
From their website, here's what Simonis has to say on the subject (ignore the X-1 plugs if you want to):

"The cloth can be brushed, but to remove the chalk and talc powders, it can be cleaned with the new Simonis X-1® or it can be carefully vacuumed with a non-rotating brush-head attachment that does not allow for too much suction to be formed. Some small vacuums can pick up bowling balls, but this will only stretch the cloth on the table and possibly harm the grouting of the slates as well. You should test your vacuum and brush attachment off of the table first to make certain that it is not going to damage the play surface. Less is more in this department. After all, you are trying to remove a fine powder from a smooth cloth, so don't overdo it. The Simonis X-1®, is a new device that will allow you to keep your cloth in great playing condition and extent the cloth's life.

The cloth can also be wiped with a damp (not wet) clean towel. This should only be done after the table has been vacuumed otherwise the dampness may cause the chalk dust to clump together (think of it as adding water to dry clay). Once the dampness has evaporated, a quick brushing is all you will need before playing as moisture will cause the fibers in the cloth to stand up and a quick brushing will smooth things out."

Picture the Simonis cloth like you would a blanket....only 1,000 times better quality made, because that's what the cloth is like on a pool table...a wool/nylon blanket, only much tighter weaved. I've been using a Sears shop vac to clean pool tables for over 30 years and have never once seen cloth stretch because of a vaccum cleaner...ever! From water, to wet of a rag to clean the cloth....yep, you bet...HOT water in a rag tightly rung out is the best if a wet rag is going to be used to wipe the cloth down....and a little woolite works great as well in the water;)
 
All the places I play 3c at use canister vacuums and the attachment seems so be 8-10 inches wide.

Tables get sucked off every hour or 2 of use...lucky devils.
 
I used a 4.25 HP Rigid Shop-Vac on my table (Simonis cloth), for at least 10 years, with no ill effects. Just slip the brush attachment on the hose, and go to work.

Now, I just need to find another table (donated my last one to my buddy's kid).
 
Again, the Dyson is not cheap, but it's a one-time expense that will last you a lifetime, and you'll be really happy with its performance. Not only on your pool table, but for your car as well.

-Sean

Thanks for all the comments, everybody. Sean - I picked up the Dyson DC34 this morning. Sears had it for 25% off ($149). The attachments you talked about, including the one with the red fibers around it, are sold separately for $59. It includes a flex hose attachment so we can use it for the pool table and for the new car. We've been looking for something good for the car, and so I was able to justify the purchase based on that. :wink:

Happy playing in 2014!
 
You can't beat a Dyson handheld for this job. I have the Dyson DC-31 "Animal" version (with attachments specialized for picking up hair out of cloth) and although I'd purchased it for its original purpose, it works very well at cleaning the table, especially with the horsehair brush attachment.

The current incarnation is the DC-34:

http://dyson.com/vacuum-cleaners/Handheld.aspx

It's expensive, yes, but it's one of those vacuums that you buy once, and it continually pays for itself over and over. (Just like those Kirby vacuums from the 50s/60s, for those that remember them.)

-Sean

My wife was wowed by the commercials for that Dyson cordless, but then for some reason she didn't like it all that much. Her loss was my gain. It's hanging on the wall in my pool room and it works great for cleaning the Simonis cloth.

Sometimes the kids leave the door to the pool room open, and our cats then jump on the table (they are drawn to it like flies to sh**; can't figure out why). The Dyson gets the fur off, along with all of the chalk dust and loose lent. The wide vacuum head and the long neck make it really easy to vacuum the whole table. I then follow that up with a nice X-1 and the cloth is in great shape.

It is an expensive solution, though.
 
Dyson are most definitely NOT like Kirby vacuums.

My folks still use their old Kirby from the 80's and Kirby updated the motor about 4 years ago for free. It now has more suction and capacity than a Dyson. Having had a Dyson (which broke within 3 months) I decided to take it apart and was not impressed. The turbin blade they use is garbage, the shaft it spins on is insufficient for the job and is set into a plastic housing without any form of lubrication.

IMHO, you will be lucky to get more than a few good years out of a Dyson machine. With that in mind, they are far too expensive for what you actually get.

For 1/2 the price, and with all the attachments, you could get a vacuum and blower which would be just as easy to use on a pool table. I also use this machine for detailing cars (side business) with separate filters for each application (home, table and automotive)

http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/mighty+500+watt+vacuum+%26+blower.do?sortby=ourPicks&page=3

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Dyson are most definitely NOT like Kirby vacuums.

My folks still use their old Kirby from the 80's and Kirby updated the motor about 4 years ago for free. It now has more suction and capacity than a Dyson. Having had a Dyson (which broke within 3 months) I decided to take it apart and was not impressed. The turbin blade they use is garbage, the shaft it spins on is insufficient for the job and is set into a plastic housing without any form of lubrication.

IMHO, you will be lucky to get more than a few good years out of a Dyson machine. With that in mind, they are far too expensive for what you actually get.

For 1/2 the price, and with all the attachments, you could get a vacuum and blower which would be just as easy to use on a pool table. I also use this machine for detailing cars (side business) with separate filters for each application (home, table and automotive)

http://www.griotsgarage.com/product/mighty+500+watt+vacuum+%26+blower.do?sortby=ourPicks&page=3

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I am still charging the new Dyson, so I can't really comment on it yet, but if I was happy with a CORDED vacuum I wouldn't have bought anything. I already have a very powerful upright with all the attachments. In my case I was looking for a cordless that was able to do the job.
 
6' x 6' tapered squirrel cag fan. This is really something. You run a drive belt off of your car motor and hold on!!
 
The larger the cleaner the faster you're going to do a thorough job. How about a shop-vac that stores under the table and a good brush?

As for the spackle coming up, at least you know who not to call back for next time.

This is what I used, a small shop vac, worked great and did no damage to the cloth
 
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My wife was wowed by the commercials for that Dyson cordless, but then for some reason she didn't like it all that much. Her loss was my gain. It's hanging on the wall in my pool room and it works great for cleaning the Simonis cloth.

Sometimes the kids leave the door to the pool room open, and our cats then jump on the table (they are drawn to it like flies to sh**; can't figure out why). The Dyson gets the fur off, along with all of the chalk dust and loose lent. The wide vacuum head and the long neck make it really easy to vacuum the whole table. I then follow that up with a nice X-1 and the cloth is in great shape.

It is an expensive solution, though.


Use the Dyson to remove the cats from the table. After a few times you probably won't be able to make them get onto the table!

Hu
 
I don't like the cordless ones. Now, I haven't tried every make but usually the batteries don't last that long. And normally you can't buy replacement batteries or if you can they cost more than a new regular vacuum. My cordless vacuums (tried 3 different ones) lasted between 1 and 2,5 years. Towards the end of their life the battery charge was so weak they would not really do the job sufficiently.

I bought one like these, although for a lot less (€ 19,99):

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Clatronic-2631-Hand-Vacuum-Cleaner/dp/B0000D8338

It still works like on it's first day after 1,5 years and due to the long cord it is no problem to use. At that price I would not mind replacing it. It looks a bit cheap with all the plastic but it is perfect for pool tables. Probably not so good for other stuff but I only bought it for the table.
 
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Horse Hair Attachment:
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I've not had an issue in over 5 years of using this method and the table stays clean. I'd say I vacuum after every 3rd or 4th use. The large width attachment makes the job go very quick.
 
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