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No but you will "time out" and your stick will go in a closet to be viewed later like an old wooden tennis racket at the goodwill.
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No but you will "time out" and your stick will go in a closet to be viewed later like an old wooden tennis racket at the goodwill.
"no moving parts"
No idea what rule set it was but I read a rule about no moving parts on a pool cue. That would make the liquid cue somebody is trying to market illegal although it doesn't seem like an advantage to me. Might be good or bad, never played with one.
What you are talking about would be like some of the computer pool games. I played a little bit on a site that had tournaments and that people were gambling on. With perfect aim, perfect speed control, and hitting the cue ball exactly where intended I was a monster! I usually played like it was a real pool table, playing shape like I would on a regular table. When I needed to I could cut a ball thinner than deli ham with a full power hit to cut a ball just shy of ninety degrees the length of the table. I might make that shot one time out of five on a fast pool table in the real world. In video it was a hanger for me. If a stick ever comes out that makes pool on a real table play like a video game and it is deemed legal for play that would be the end of pool as we know it, might as well play a video game with each other.
I don't fear magic shafts, tips, or chalk. These things elevate a weaker player's game a little but the stronger the player the less benefit they get from these things. I would have thought that leather tips and wooden shafts would have went the way of the dodo bird long ago. I don't fish with bamboo anymore either.
When I worked in R&D I was VP of a corporation that would move in any direction there seemed to be a profit for awhile. I toyed with the idea of a shaft with speed control built into it. It wouldn't be that hard to make a ten or twelve speed shaft that fired with a consistent light bump on the tip. The rule against moving parts was a minor hindrance, the main issue is that I thought it would be bad for the game. It would have been moderately pricey but with $500 shafts I think the shaft could be marketed in the same price range as other high tech shafts now, under five hundred.
Such a shaft would give an average player much better speed control and at least equally important, they would be able to hit the cue ball where intended. That shaft would still take the knowledge to play well but it would take away much of the physical skills needed to play. There was a laser guided cue on the market last I knew, quite inexpensive too. The laser shines through a hole in the middle of the tip best I recall. It never got off the ground.
Tennis and golf have managed to balance technology with tradition. I think pool can too. When I hit with one particular REVO, it hit much like wood and there was no question of needing to index it. This one has an 11.8mm shaft, no idea how others hit. I like a little life in a shaft, neither too much or too little. That particular REVO delivered. Not too surprising with that small shaft, it worked much better with small snooker balls than my pool cue.
I think we should draw the line at moving parts and active aiming devices such as lasers. That still leaves a lot of room for innovation. I think it is time for leather tips to go when we start paying forty dollars for tips. We haven't see it yet but I think tip makers are pricing themselves out of business. If somebody like predator adds a synthetic tip to their high tech shaft I think it will sell and be approved by governing bodies.
Some aren't going to like it if we travel far down some of the paths we are going. I may be in that group myself. Nonwooden shafts and cues have been around a long time without getting market share. Doubtful we would so readily accept synthetic shafts if spliced shafts hadn't preconditioned us.
I have lots of thoughts, no real answers. I don't want to see the skills to play pool reduced but that is what low deflection shafts are all about if we think about it. I have seen technology races in other areas over and over. The new technology is great for a few competitors when they are the only ones that have it. Soon everyone has it, the playing field is leveled at a new height, and the new winners are the same as the old winners.
If a three thousand dollar high tech cue came out tomorrow and was legal and better all of the best players would have to have one. The playing field would be level again and the pool players would be poorer!
Hu
No idea what rule set it was but I read a rule about no moving parts on a pool cue. That would make the liquid cue somebody is trying to market illegal although it doesn't seem like an advantage to me. Might be good or bad, never played with one.
What you are talking about would be like some of the computer pool games. I played a little bit on a site that had tournaments and that people were gambling on. With perfect aim, perfect speed control, and hitting the cue ball exactly where intended I was a monster! I usually played like it was a real pool table, playing shape like I would on a regular table. When I needed to I could cut a ball thinner than deli ham with a full power hit to cut a ball just shy of ninety degrees the length of the table. I might make that shot one time out of five on a fast pool table in the real world. In video it was a hanger for me. If a stick ever comes out that makes pool on a real table play like a video game and it is deemed legal for play that would be the end of pool as we know it, might as well play a video game with each other.
I don't fear magic shafts, tips, or chalk. These things elevate a weaker player's game a little but the stronger the player the less benefit they get from these things. I would have thought that leather tips and wooden shafts would have went the way of the dodo bird long ago. I don't fish with bamboo anymore either.
When I worked in R&D I was VP of a corporation that would move in any direction there seemed to be a profit for awhile. I toyed with the idea of a shaft with speed control built into it. It wouldn't be that hard to make a ten or twelve speed shaft that fired with a consistent light bump on the tip. The rule against moving parts was a minor hindrance, the main issue is that I thought it would be bad for the game. It would have been moderately pricey but with $500 shafts I think the shaft could be marketed in the same price range as other high tech shafts now, under five hundred.
Such a shaft would give an average player much better speed control and at least equally important, they would be able to hit the cue ball where intended. That shaft would still take the knowledge to play well but it would take away much of the physical skills needed to play. There was a laser guided cue on the market last I knew, quite inexpensive too. The laser shines through a hole in the middle of the tip best I recall. It never got off the ground.
Tennis and golf have managed to balance technology with tradition. I think pool can too. When I hit with one particular REVO, it hit much like wood and there was no question of needing to index it. This one has an 11.8mm shaft, no idea how others hit. I like a little life in a shaft, neither too much or too little. That particular REVO delivered. Not too surprising with that small shaft, it worked much better with small snooker balls than my pool cue.
I think we should draw the line at moving parts and active aiming devices such as lasers. That still leaves a lot of room for innovation. I think it is time for leather tips to go when we start paying forty dollars for tips. We haven't see it yet but I think tip makers are pricing themselves out of business. If somebody like predator adds a synthetic tip to their high tech shaft I think it will sell and be approved by governing bodies.
Some aren't going to like it if we travel far down some of the paths we are going. I may be in that group myself. Nonwooden shafts and cues have been around a long time without getting market share. Doubtful we would so readily accept synthetic shafts if spliced shafts hadn't preconditioned us.
I have lots of thoughts, no real answers. I don't want to see the skills to play pool reduced but that is what low deflection shafts are all about if we think about it. I have seen technology races in other areas over and over. The new technology is great for a few competitors when they are the only ones that have it. Soon everyone has it, the playing field is leveled at a new height, and the new winners are the same as the old winners.
If a three thousand dollar high tech cue came out tomorrow and was legal and better all of the best players would have to have one. The playing field would be level again and the pool players would be poorer!
Hu
Could it be as simple as a psychological barrier of making the CF wood color?
FWIW, I have a black carbon fiber shaft (Meucci Pro) and some white Becue carbon fiber shafts.
TO ME, the white ones are a lot easier to sight down.
Also, once you get used to sighting down the snow white Becue shafts, it looks "wierd" sighting down a wood shaft, until you get used to it again. You will see every grain and non-straight imperfection in the wood and no matter how "white" your shaft may be, it will look "yellow" compared to the white Becue shaft.
Why did they ban jumping with a shaft ,like we did even with the big ball? I remember a pro player with a 1 piece cue he drilled small holes and filled with lead and covered in electrical tape. It was like 30+ ounces . Why isnt the biggest money tourn. in the world sponsored by the Billiard industry .To much on R &D. so players can buy a game.
In golf, "woods" are no longer made from persimmon and their shafts are graphite rather than steel. But it is still golf.
And they have moved back the tees. Made the greens super slick and the rough deeper to combat.
What are we going to do? Play on 18 foot tables?
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harder to locate the tip
I believe it is a real thing, trying to locate the tip with everything very dark. Maybe just old eyes but if I get a shaft without a white ferrule I will probably put a touch of white out there one way or another just to see the end of the shaft more precisely. Or perhaps I would get used to a black shaft. I can't judge fairly until I own one.
I was watching a snooker match a few nights ago and somebody was playing with a very light colored tip, including where chalk went. The particular tip looked very fuzzy but a pretty tall tip and a white spacer could be all I needed as a visual aid if it was light colored sides and top.
Hu
I believe it is a real thing, trying to locate the tip with everything very dark. Maybe just old eyes but if I get a shaft without a white ferrule I will probably put a touch of white out there one way or another just to see the end of the shaft more precisely. Or perhaps I would get used to a black shaft. I can't judge fairly until I own one.
I was watching a snooker match a few nights ago and somebody was playing with a very light colored tip, including where chalk went. The particular tip looked very fuzzy but a pretty tall tip and a white spacer could be all I needed as a visual aid if it was light colored sides and top.
Hu
Did you start playing on 10 ft tables when pool halls stopped using napped felt and switched to Simonis?
All the above and more. Not all Developments are positive Ask Oppenheimer.
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Tighten up the pockets, but still leave the walls of them cut the same (unlike the chinese 8ball tables).
The equipment Pros play on in majors is far too forgiving when it comes to ball making especially when the cloth is brand new.