My dad always told me not to bet a lumber yard against a matchstick.--Leonard
Reed Pierce agreed to this game from Corey...
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hemicudas said:
Bill,
I couldn't wait to hear what you thought of these 2 (Pierce and Deuel) matching up. If you have time and care to, could you give us your take on their proposed show down? Would Reed need the wild 8 or any other spot? Not being as familiar with him as I am with Deuel, I read what Ironman and Joey A had to say and since both of these posters are top shelf and respected, their view on Reed still being strong even after the layoff adds another spin here. So IF it ever does come off, what do YOU think?
Much thanks!
Thats the problem with these young punks...all bark and no gamble. Nobody has taught them honor, nobody has taught them respect, and nobody has taught them how to lose like a gentleman.
Terry Ardeno said:
Terry,
Let me clarify something, please. I have seen Reed play PERFECT, well almost PERFECT position play on a bar table for LONG periods of time. While I'm sure Reed still hits some balls in his own Sports Bar, I have to think that he has not been subjected to the constant pounding of gambling and tournament play which STEELS a player. Reed will have serious rust on him and it dosen't come off with a quick abrasive rub from one tough pool match. Can he win? Sure. But when I do bet on someone besides myself which is rare, I bet on the guy with the most recent "SEASONING" (a word I heard first used by Reed Pierce many years ago and came to appreciate).
That's why (besides great talent) that Shane Van Boening is doing so well right now, IMHO.
JoeyA
JamieMcWhorter
Banned
This Is Total Bs I Was There
THIS IS ABSOLUTE GARBAGE.......NOT TRUE AT ALL....I WAS THERE.....REED CAN GET THE 8 FROM COREY ON THE BAR TABLE OR THE BIG TABLE HERE IS HIS NOTICE..............FOR A MINIMUM OF 10K AND HE CAN DEFINITELY BET 20K IF HE WANTS TO.....
THAT STORY HAPPENED TO HIM WITH JOHN SCHMIDT IN MOBILE BUT NOT TO HIM WITH COREY DEUEL IN COLUMBUS,OHIO..THATS A FACT JACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I KNOW REED FARELY WELL HE IS A GOOD GUY AND A GOOD GAMBLER..BUT IF HE WANTS THIS GAME WITH COREY HE HAS GOT IT...100 PERCENT.........HIM AND HIS RIGHT HAND MAN COACH CAN COME UP AND PLAY ANYTIME THEY WANT.....
InTheCloudzzz said:
THIS IS ABSOLUTE GARBAGE.......NOT TRUE AT ALL....I WAS THERE.....REED CAN GET THE 8 FROM COREY ON THE BAR TABLE OR THE BIG TABLE HERE IS HIS NOTICE..............FOR A MINIMUM OF 10K AND HE CAN DEFINITELY BET 20K IF HE WANTS TO.....
THAT STORY HAPPENED TO HIM WITH JOHN SCHMIDT IN MOBILE BUT NOT TO HIM WITH COREY DEUEL IN COLUMBUS,OHIO..THATS A FACT JACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I KNOW REED FARELY WELL HE IS A GOOD GUY AND A GOOD GAMBLER..BUT IF HE WANTS THIS GAME WITH COREY HE HAS GOT IT...100 PERCENT.........HIM AND HIS RIGHT HAND MAN COACH CAN COME UP AND PLAY ANYTIME THEY WANT.....
uwate said:
Dave,
I sent you a PM.
Good line also!
John Barton said:I have seen this trap a hundred times. I have driven for HOURS to play in a game that was agreed on only to get there and have them switch up.
It's a straight UP NIT MOVE. I have also turned right around and walked out before, but not before buying a candy bar and a coke to flash the bankroll walking out with me.
One time I got a phone call that so-an-so wanted to play me and I should come to the pool room. Well they were still an hour away and I was in bed. So I told my friend that I wouldn't play for less than $2000. They agreed so I got dressed and went to the pool room. When they arrived they had a backer and they said they only wanted to play for $500. Then they tried to switch up the game and the player and yada yada.
After 30 minutes of barking and telling them what nits they were to get me up for $500 we finally made a game for $400 and I won 3 sets and they quit me. I was getting spotted and they wanted me to come off the spot.
Now I normally would but these guys had me so hot that I told them if they want to play more then they need to bet more and the spot wasn't changing. I said, I have $2000, plus what I won from you is $3200. Bet it all or hit the road.
They were pissed off and I said next time don't wake me up.
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I think Reed did the right thing. Screw 'em. Corey, you rock, your stakehorses don't. After all the barking on here about spotting champions we see that the first time a CHAMPION shows up it's tail between the legs time. And don't bother barking at me - I am in China and if you want to bring Corey here we can bet a couple hundred thousand RMB and I can find someone take a spot as an unknown and we can see if you get to take some of the surplus back home. I m sure I can get Yang to come over - he plays cheap.
Years ago I was playing pretty sporty on the bar box and had just won a very fluky $5000 at the horse track and of course I wanted everybody to know it and wanted everyone in Denver except Medina to fire at it.
About this time a huge blizzard hit Colorado and we were all just sort of stuck in the pool room when at early afternoon I get a call from an old scuffler we called Indian Carl. Carl could play a little on the barbox and came up with pretty good backers from time to time. He was a riot too.
Well, Carl tells me he has a guy there with a big roll wanting to back him for like 100-200 a game which was good action in those days and I wasn't getting any play around Denver anyway. Just one problem, Carl is in Laramie Wyo which is 123 miles north of Denver. Being the genious that I am, I said sure, grabbed a buddy of mine and off to Laramie we went.
The blizzard was brutal and as we got into the mountains on 281 north of Ft Collins, I was getting real worried. We made it though and felt lucky to do so.
We found the bar and when we got there, there were three cars out front and the town was near closed. We walked in and I asked the bartender about Carl and he sort of smiled and led me to the end of the bar which was sort of hidden and there was Carl passed out on the floor. I was hot enough to fly to the moon.
We got Carl up and after a couple of minutes he recognized me as he started to come around. I asked him where this big backer was and if he was ready to play. He says, you got the money to play"? I said sure and flashed a big roll at him and he just smile a toothless smile and said, "he got a call and had to take off, I'm reall sorry". Then without any hesitation he asks, "bud, things ain't going to good, loan me a hundred will ya?"
After ranting and raving for a few minutes, the bar tender told me I should leave or he was calling the cops. I explained that I had just driven 123 miles to play this goof and it took 51/2 hours in blinding snow. He suggested I drive back and didn't look like the type to give a lot of shit.
It is funny now, but back then it wasn't as I drove about 11 hours in a blinding blizzard to loan a drunk $100. So, John, at least you were smart enough to come away with something.
CreeDo said:haha he probably breathed a sigh of relief that he could get out with a weak excuse that 3,000 bucks 'wasn't worth his time and effort'. That sounds like straight up bullshítHe probably heard about corey winning the 2005 upa championships and said "what have I gotten myself into?"
Apparently you do not know Reed Pierce. I can't say what the outcome would've been with that game, but w/ Reed in stroke, it's hard for me to imagine anybody giving Reed anything on the barbox and liking it.
CreeDo said:
As most everyone knows, most all players of this caliber have stakehorses. This incident occurred purely b/c Corey's stakehorse(s) changed the bet, NOT Corey. The OP was in no way meant to bash Corey himself and after rereading it, I still do not believe I did. If it was taken that way, then please pass on my apologies to Corey. The purpose of the OP, as previously mentioned already by Hemicudas, is a warning of what can happen when the money isn't posted by both sides beforehand. And I do believe it is relevant now b/c of all the possible matching up that some of Corey's stakehorse(s) are trying to get going.
As an added benefit, I feel that it makes an interesting thread!
JamieMcWhorter said:
Jamie,
I did not mention who the stakehorse(s) were for Corey in my OP for Reed did not recall. I am assuming it was you now from your post that "I WAS THERE". If it didn't happen, how were you there? I, personally, was not there in Ohio but I do put alot of weight in the words that both Reed and Ronnie speak on this for they both have always been straight up in my experience. Also, the trip from Jackson, MS to Ohio is much, much further than the trip from Jackson to Mobile, AL. Hence the reason that Reed is still so fired up about it.
As far as Reed getting the 8 now from Corey, that is between Reed's crew and Corey's. IMO, Reed wouldn't stand a chance w/ that spot right now due to his lack of play for so long. As JoeyA put it, "Reed will have serious rust on him...". But if Reed does get back in stroke, it is my strong opinion that it would be no walk in the park for Corey. Again, he did make it clear that he is more than willing to get back into action if the price and game is right w/ 4 months notice. I'm not his dealmaker so don't bark at me offering games. I made this post at his request, not to make future games for him. He did not explicitly give his permission to post his business phone # but it is very readily available with a google search.
As far as all of this being garbage, feel free to give Reed a call to express that and see what he says. I heard this straight from his own mouth and if Jay, Hemicudas, or anybody else that knows Reed is willing to call him up, they will hear the exact same thing.
Ryan
ironman said:
I can't get enough of these type of "tales of yore".
Ironman, were you in Denver when Grady and Scott "The Shot" each had their poolrooms there?
uwate said:
uwate,
There's a whole lot of definitions that can fit the phrase "plays pretty sporty". My game, like everybody elses, is still nothing more than a work in progress. Good luck on yours.
ironman said:
Many thanks, IronMan. I've enjoyed AZ for a good while now as a 'lurker', hopefully it'll be even better as I begin to post more often.
Ryan
JamieMcWhorter
Banned
Whatever
I was there...did not happen corey could have easily played for 10k....REED CAME TO TOWN TO PLAY IN A 1000 ENTRY FEE 8 BALL TOURNEY ......
TELL REED TO PRACTICE UP..............AND HE CAN GET THE 8 ON ANY TABLE.......
I was there...did not happen corey could have easily played for 10k....REED CAME TO TOWN TO PLAY IN A 1000 ENTRY FEE 8 BALL TOURNEY ......
TELL REED TO PRACTICE UP..............AND HE CAN GET THE 8 ON ANY TABLE.......
still laughing out loud
Read this story once before months ago and still laugh out loud reading it. No shortage of 'nads Carl had, conning you into that drive in a blizzard just to put the touch on you for a hundred bucks!
Hu
ironman said:
Read this story once before months ago and still laugh out loud reading it. No shortage of 'nads Carl had, conning you into that drive in a blizzard just to put the touch on you for a hundred bucks!
Hu
Terry Ardeno said:
Yes I was. Grady ws the first I ever really saw play what I'll call top notch 1-pocket. I was very young and very, very green when he played Jack Cooney in Denver and Colorado Springs.
I hope Grady will forgive for poting this, but here goes:
Grady had a place in the Springs and in Denver and he and Cooney were alternating playing in the Sprigs one night and in Denver{Aurora} the next. As best as I recall, Grady's car had been stolen and was left without wheels, only his motorcycle. The problem with this is that it was in the winter and temps were around 10 degrees or well below freezing.
Anyway, it was a seeknight and in comes Grady looking like a popsickle dressed in a smow suit having driven app 75 miles in that weather and shaking like tree.
Jack ws warming up and noe of us could believe what we saw. Grady drank something warm and walked aroun a while apologizing for the stall and eventually got thawed enough to play.
Their shot selection, runouts, and long games had me on the edge of my seat and at times when they would attempt {what weemed to me} something totally insane, well, it was all I could do to keep quiet and I often wanted to tackle one of them.
Grady ended up 4 games winer that night after several hours of play. Grady slid back into that snowsuit, got on the bike, and drove back to the Springs in that blistering cold.
Folks, there is a lot of talk on here about gamble, honor, integrity, and many other things. This is an example of "HEART".
I learned a big lesson that night. I'll never under any circumstance own a motorcycle.
reed
Ill stand good for Jamie's offer to play Reed with the wild 8 ball on a bar box. I know you will gamble, so lets just get it up. You name the amount, and my money will be posted the same day. Let me know. Corey will play this weekend or next weekend in Florida.
jay helfert said:
Ill stand good for Jamie's offer to play Reed with the wild 8 ball on a bar box. I know you will gamble, so lets just get it up. You name the amount, and my money will be posted the same day. Let me know. Corey will play this weekend or next weekend in Florida.
no bite huh?
The only person that has contacted me regarding the game is from Dave Matlock. We just have to get together on when and where. Everyone wants us to go to Kansas. I am not going to Kansas. As soon as where the game is agreed upon, it will be posted. This might be the first time something actually happens from all the woofing on here.
John Barton said:I have seen this trap a hundred times. I have driven for HOURS to play in a game that was agreed on only to get there and have them switch up.
It's a straight UP NIT MOVE. I have also turned right around and walked out before, but not before buying a candy bar and a coke to flash the bankroll walking out with me.
One time I got a phone call that so-an-so wanted to play me and I should come to the pool room. Well they were still an hour away and I was in bed. So I told my friend that I wouldn't play for less than $2000. They agreed so I got dressed and went to the pool room. When they arrived they had a backer and they said they only wanted to play for $500. Then they tried to switch up the game and the player and yada yada.
After 30 minutes of barking and telling them what nits they were to get me up for $500 we finally made a game for $400 and I won 3 sets and they quit me. I was getting spotted and they wanted me to come off the spot.
Now I normally would but these guys had me so hot that I told them if they want to play more then they need to bet more and the spot wasn't changing. I said, I have $2000, plus what I won from you is $3200. Bet it all or hit the road.
They were pissed off and I said next time don't wake me up.
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I think Reed did the right thing. Screw 'em. Corey, you rock, your stakehorses don't. After all the barking on here about spotting champions we see that the first time a CHAMPION shows up it's tail between the legs time. And don't bother barking at me - I am in China and if you want to bring Corey here we can bet a couple hundred thousand RMB and I can find someone take a spot as an unknown and we can see if you get to take some of the surplus back home. I m sure I can get Yang to come over - he plays cheap.
The only person that has contacted me regarding the game is from Dave Matlock. We just have to get together on when and where. Everyone wants us to go to Kansas. I am not going to Kansas. As soon as where the game is agreed upon, it will be posted. This might be the first time something actually happens from all the woofing on here.