Cue piston machine, template for 8-ball rack, same ball order and cue ball in exact same spot for the break. Will you get repeatable results on ball positions after the break or will randomness happen due to chaos for various reasons?
Repeatable Results?
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Is it really unexpected though?
A symmetric arrangement SHOULD disperse in a predictable way, if struck in a perfectly centered manner, no?
We aren't used to seeing a perfect hit on a perfect rack, so we get what you see here today.
If you can control all those variables perfectly you'll get very consistent, but not exact results. Dust/dirt/chalk on the cloth or balls, humidity and temp difference, etc all will introduce a bit of variance to the results I think.
But there have definitely been cases of players soft breaking racks to get a very consistent spread each rack where they could just execute the same pattern to run out each time. If they can do that with human variance, removing that will get you even closer to perfectly consistent spread....but unlikely to ever be truly perfectly consistent.
But there have definitely been cases of players soft breaking racks to get a very consistent spread each rack where they could just execute the same pattern to run out each time. If they can do that with human variance, removing that will get you even closer to perfectly consistent spread....but unlikely to ever be truly perfectly consistent.
i sense a failure to communicate..
that piston machine OP talks about will get even more repeatable results than corey
WobblyStroke
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Any little difference in angle you strike the 1 at or even ur cue speed will make a difference. That said, if you look at Orcollo's big string of racks against SVB where he was pattern racking for himself, the guy had the same runout over and over.
I wonder how many times there were object ball kisses during his breaks. It seems like those could really change the outcome. Being half a ball off on where a ball hits the second cushion is going to make a lot less difference than if a kiss is half a ball off in the middle of the table.
Definitely doable.
I have (had) a grouping I can do with a magic rack on my table that has an easy pattern to run.
And I am nowhere near as motivated as Dennis (was?).
it should be perfectly repeatable if you can do everything exactly the same each time. which of course is beyond humans.
but with template racking and doing it yourself you should with enough practice get very close results especially with a full head ball hit and complete control of your speed.
better if you can make a ball with a slow speed hit so object and cueball collisions are minimized or non existent.
but with template racking and doing it yourself you should with enough practice get very close results especially with a full head ball hit and complete control of your speed.
better if you can make a ball with a slow speed hit so object and cueball collisions are minimized or non existent.
Now I want a machine that breaks randomly and then the player comes to the table
WobblyStroke
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Pattern pool may be for you. Earl hates the break and how important it is and thinks pros should play pattern pool. It's a decent concept. Works nice n fast with a projector system but pretty tedious and unplayable otherwise.Now I want a machine that breaks randomly and then the player comes to the table
Donuts. There are color coded sets of 16. Much more repeatable than a projector system.
yes, placement pool. a referee places the balls, player A comes forward from behind a little curtain to the table and plays the layout, this of course while player B sits on a little chair behind another curtain. last i heard MR is trying to get a deal for a placement pool event, but haven't settled on a curtain sponsor yet as rolex and mercedes keeps overbidding each other
WobblyStroke
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Thanks for the correction. Ofc i did mean placement pool. Hilarious sponsor bidding war. If only...
people always want to change things.
well when pool was at its heyday the rules were very standard. then they started changing them for tv and other reasons.
and with every change and time goes by the game of pool has lost interest.
lose interest in the poolroom and that translates to lost interest for media as well over time.
well when pool was at its heyday the rules were very standard. then they started changing them for tv and other reasons.
and with every change and time goes by the game of pool has lost interest.
lose interest in the poolroom and that translates to lost interest for media as well over time.
Nothing happens randomly if it goes about Billard. If you are thinking in this direction, also a perfekt cleanliness of the balls needs to ensured each time before you rack them up, same for the cleanliness of the cloth and rails.
One major problem will be: How do ensure that the balls are being placed exactly always at the same position? With the standard templates placed like usual by hand, I guess that such a high exactness can not be acchieved for sure, we are talking here about a tolerance of ~ 0,1 mm or less that needs so ensured. Same exactness is for the shooting direction. And, how you wanna shoot exactly with the same force?? So, the cue piston machine needs to be also tested how repeatable it can apply the cueball speed, and also the machine needs to be well fixed on the table in order to acchieve always exactly the same shooting direction.
Theoretically clear and easy, but practically very difficult to perform in my opinion.
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