Resin Impregnation
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Conifers like redwood can be rather tricky to stabilize properly.... I got a chuckle out of this "tip" about stabilizing redwood from one of the "home stabilizing" suppliers.
"These woods are known to not absorb much XXXXXX XXXXX in a vacuum process. To get good results, you need REAL high pressure such at 4,000 psi. As a result, it is best to just avoid these in the home shop unless you have the proper equipment to achieve these high pressures."
With all due respect meridianblades, if memory serves me correctly, and I did just research this before posting...YOU were the one to say on this forum, it is required to have 4000psi to be done correctly, otherwise it's not considered stabilized. Here is the thread:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=342760
You were very uppity about this considering you have NEVER done this your self... I even asked this of you and you didn't respond. You seem to only know what your supplier has told you. If you do the quick math about your 4000 psi quote, for a 1.5 x 1.5 x18" piece would work out to this:
1.5 x1.5 x 18" equals 40.5 square inches which means to maintain 4000 psi over 40.5 square inches, you must have a overall psi of = 162,000 of pressure.... what type of tank holds this? What type of compressor generates this, or if my math is off, even 4000 psi as a max? I know I don't wanna be around when it blows, and google searches turned up nothing.
To the OP, I have done quite a bunch of stabilizing redwood burl using different fluids, and have had great result on all attempts. It is easy as this wood is like a sponge....but it does color any remaining fluid with a red-ish tinge, but if you save it and just use it for redwood, no problem. The stuff I now use has a UV dye in it and it's very easy to tell if it has penetrated all the way thru. If your interested, PM me and I'll give any help I can.
Dave
Dave I have done A TON of stabilizing myself.... that's why I send to the PROS. Isnt it coincidental that he used the 4K PSI number? hahaahaha....The math is off Dave, the tank is pressurized up to 4K.... redwood is VERY difficult to do right, and even some of the PRO outfits have trouble with it as well. Yep real easy to tell if it went thru...show the pics of the dye going all the way thru....and the weight. Dave when do we get to do the water test? There was other woods he listed in his tip too.
To the OP.... send me a PM and I can tell you where to send it to have it done the professionally, with penetration going all the way thru.
To the OP.... send me a PM and I can tell you where to send it to have it done the professionally, with penetration going all the way thru.
red burl
I sent some off to River Ridge Products, they did a great job,
thanks gary
I sent some off to River Ridge Products, they did a great job,
thanks gary
Poking fun of people isn't funny. Publicly belittling people isn't worthy of a chuckle. This section is for cue makers to conversate amongst one another and/or to answer questions cue related. If you are not a cuemaker & do not build cues, then you have no place answering questions directed at cuemakers. Furthermore, it's not acceptable to publicly ridicule & poke fun of business rivals, especially when acting as a shill.
shill
A person engaged in covert advertising. The shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing the product in public forums with the pretense of sincerity, when in fact he is being paid for his services.
A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization.
shill
A person engaged in covert advertising. The shill attempts to spread buzz by personally endorsing the product in public forums with the pretense of sincerity, when in fact he is being paid for his services.
A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization.
How odd. I remember that as well.
BenDibble
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MeridianBlades is offering some quality advice here and not shilling anything.
He's been there done that in regards to stabilizing in house. That is exactly why he uses a pro to do his work.
If you have a block of awesome redwood lace, do you really want to risk it being destroyed by your home-brew setup? For far less than what it would take to setup a shop in your own home, send it out and have it done correctly.
He's been there done that in regards to stabilizing in house. That is exactly why he uses a pro to do his work.
If you have a block of awesome redwood lace, do you really want to risk it being destroyed by your home-brew setup? For far less than what it would take to setup a shop in your own home, send it out and have it done correctly.
Wow Eric, the name calling seems to come easy for you.... First it was "Hack" for one of your fellow cuemakers a week or so ago, and now you're calling me a "SHILL".
1). First off, the question was in regards to stabilizing some redwood burl.... I might know a little bit about that....
2). The quote I posted is taken directly off a public website.... So if YOU interpreted that as "poking fun".... then that is YOUR opinion. I was pointing out the irony of the 4K number being mentioned, and the fact that redwood was listed as not stabilizing well, which again is in regards to the OP's RWB question.
3). I would be very careful throwing around your label of SHILL.... I believe they call that "Libel". I am not paid by anyone. I do not sell stabilizing equipment, or liquid. I have no affiliation with any pro stabilizing companies, whatsoever. Unless you count my being a happy customer of both of them.
4). I have no "business rivals"....so not sure what it is you're driving at, Maybe you should get your facts in order before you start making unfounded assumptions and accusations.
Paul and Dave,
I guess you guys missed the giveaway of the old stabilizing leftovers from my shop....Pretty sure that stuff was over 10 yrs old. And the pics of one of my tanks is still up on my website. From pickle jars to pressure pots, to steel tubes.....etc etc. Lots of different stabilants as well....
Its a complicated topic, and I'm not a big fan of having type a wall of text to list out everything. Much easier to talk on the phone....which I have done with quite a few folks.
I have heard good things about them as well.... :thumbup:
This is the most common answer I received so I think this is the way to go. Thanks for all the help guys I appreciate it!
Meridian, I was just stating that I recalled your saying that stabilizing required 4,000. On that subject, a 4,000 psi system creates 4,000 lbs for every square inch hence the phrase pounds per square inch.
I sent my curly spalted maple squares off to have them done "correctly". They came back all cracked to hell. I lost 80% of it. You shouldn't suggest there is no risk by having it done by a pro.
You've got two posts. I'm following your advice. Thanks
Hi,
Creating a 4000 psi hydraulic head differential is no big deal concerning the fabrication and operation of a vessel to do this deed. Since liquid does not compress that much only a small volume of gas needs to be compressed on top of the liquid to the 4000 psi.
The question is can air be used to boost the pressure or does the chemistry of the stabilization product inflict a danger of reactivity that may go boom boom. Air is about 20% oxygen and as the partial pressure atmospheres in the vessel increases, what effect does the oxygen have with the media at the load pressures and heat that will be present????? Inert gases like nitrogen do not contain oxygen.
In a re compression chamber at only 100 psi for example, using air the oxygen partial pressure is increase whereby something that is non combustible at normal atmospheric pressure will rapidly combust with just a spark. Compression of a chemical is or could be very dangerous business to someone screwing around in the garage who is unaware!
I can see where Meridianblades reference to this being done by a professional is sound advice.
The devil is always in the detail and it is always what you don't know or think you know that can hurt you.
JMO,
Rick
Creating a 4000 psi hydraulic head differential is no big deal concerning the fabrication and operation of a vessel to do this deed. Since liquid does not compress that much only a small volume of gas needs to be compressed on top of the liquid to the 4000 psi.
The question is can air be used to boost the pressure or does the chemistry of the stabilization product inflict a danger of reactivity that may go boom boom. Air is about 20% oxygen and as the partial pressure atmospheres in the vessel increases, what effect does the oxygen have with the media at the load pressures and heat that will be present????? Inert gases like nitrogen do not contain oxygen.
In a re compression chamber at only 100 psi for example, using air the oxygen partial pressure is increase whereby something that is non combustible at normal atmospheric pressure will rapidly combust with just a spark. Compression of a chemical is or could be very dangerous business to someone screwing around in the garage who is unaware!
I can see where Meridianblades reference to this being done by a professional is sound advice.
The devil is always in the detail and it is always what you don't know or think you know that can hurt you.
JMO,
Rick
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Kelly
No more details than that? Curly is one of the easiest. Where did you send it? What was the moisture content? How over sized were they ?
I will say this..... I have NEVER had curly maple (spalted or not) come back cracked. So not sure what happened.
There is ALWAYS a risk, but one of the places I use is regularly doing SNAKEWOOD in 2 x 2 squares, and have been successfully doing it for YEARS.
Also it should be mentioned that even tho you get it done by a pro, it's still not a 100% guarantee that it wont move....but IMO its the best method available.
Rick.... Had an old paint pot up "chamber" up to about 80 PSI ....not big deal until the lid came off and flew across my shop. Nobody got hurt, but it was a wake up call....
