If this is a quote from their site, I would be worried. This is most likely meant to sound like technical jargon and side steps giving any information about what has actually been done. Is there a patent number given? Most of the production ld companies make it clear what they do. Even custom cue makers who make performance shafts explain it if you ask.
REVO shaft competitor?!
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If this is a quote from their site, I would be worried. This is most likely meant to sound like technical jargon and side steps giving any information about what has actually been done. Is there a patent number given? Most of the production ld companies make it clear what they do. Even custom cue makers who make performance shafts explain it if you ask.
We agree that the practice (lots of it+the smart way) is the most important answer. On the other hand everybody is unique and while for some players solid wood shaft is the perfect match, for others it may be the carbon shaft. For me paying those 525eur is like a bet where the odds are I can get a cue which MAY suit me and my game better than the cue I have now. And yes, it may happen that I wont like the cue and then I will have lost that bet. You cant play it safe all the time
I have a carbon fiber cue that I got basically for free with an antique case I bought. :grin-square:
Revo will have competitors. Will this cue be it? Unlikely but possible.
Times change. Materials and technology change.
Personally, I have no interest.
The best violinists often play antique violins. At some point I think we will see a resurgence of old cues being used by pros, but the newer technologies will grow steadily in prominence as they are already doing. Old cues with new shafts...modified old cues. Even most Strad violins in use are actually modified. Virtually all of them that are in any serious use have had a modern dimension neck added as I understand it. We have a Strad in the family by the way. My mother played it when she was young and my Uncle's family now owns it. It has the modified neck.
Personally, I'll just keep playing my old Joss and my old Huebler. Always looking for additional original shafts for them too. Maybe at some point a more modern shaft...who knows?
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Revo will have competitors. Will this cue be it? Unlikely but possible.
Times change. Materials and technology change.
Personally, I have no interest.
The best violinists often play antique violins. At some point I think we will see a resurgence of old cues being used by pros, but the newer technologies will grow steadily in prominence as they are already doing. Old cues with new shafts...modified old cues. Even most Strad violins in use are actually modified. Virtually all of them that are in any serious use have had a modern dimension neck added as I understand it. We have a Strad in the family by the way. My mother played it when she was young and my Uncle's family now owns it. It has the modified neck.
Personally, I'll just keep playing my old Joss and my old Huebler. Always looking for additional original shafts for them too. Maybe at some point a more modern shaft...who knows?
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In this same line of thinking I really dont think anything is "the answer". Earl ran 11 with a standard shaft on a cuetec.
SVB started his reign of terror with a regular shaft on his Mom's on Schon cue, which included at least 1 US Open win, beating Corey in the race to 100, beating Earl in a race to 100, beating Alex in multiple action sets, Winning SBE.
Play with what you like...
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I highly doubt it, especially as more pros also go over to China to play Chinese 8-ball, I think you'll see pool pros switch to the lowest deflection and skinnier shafts than they're using now. Those tables are FAST and the pockets are mercilessly small and reject 60% of the shots that would easily pocket on a pro-cut diamond, if you're going to play within the pocketing speed and tightness of those tables thunking away at balls with and old-school ferule is not going to get you in the money when more than half the field are snooker pros playing with snooker cues, or beasts like Gareth Potts.
DONE. I do like the REVO...but I'm still a hot dog with bad habits. I'm a fan of 314-2's. Also a fan of any quality maple shaft.
Hi guys, my name is Alessandro and I am, with my friend Michele, co-founder of the company BeCue. We feel morally obliged to speak in this debate, not for try to change the opinion of someone, but to tell you as matters stand.
Meanwhile we want to give thanks to all those animate this thread and give a thanks to Marek for supporting us on kickstarter. Also thanks to open this thread, we are interested in the opinions of all of you.
Yes, it's real, as someone wrote here, our is a “x” brand, never heard before, as ally is for the startup.
BeCue is the result of 20 years of passion in pool game and 6 years of research and development. We've been worked to create an innovative cue, composed by undeformable materials and made to help the player to reduce at minimum all the variables, as deflection and swerve. As a result was born 2 patents those permit to our cue to be really performing.
Why did we do that? Because we're a little crazy and because we love this SPORT, and also because we want introduce on the market a cue with this features:
- low deflection/swerve
- indeformable materials
- cool design
- good feeling
We have succeded?? In our opinon and according to the player who contributed to product development, yes.
Towards deflection, what allows its reduction is the patent pending system “Aurora”, united to the shaft's structure and composition. We would point that all this is the result of 6 years of study, investment, test and partnership.
No, ours is not a economic imitation of something already on the market.
Here the reasons:
- Our cue is not economic, the productive process and the quality control behind it, will never become it an economic cue. The first price on kickstarter will never be repeated.
- We don't sell a shaft but a cue system
- The cue enjoys two our own patents
- Our shafts are made with carbon fiber (twill not unidirectional), glass fiber and kevlar. We have no intention to tell in what quantity and how they are applied. 5,1 shaft has our own shape with 3 different tapers, 11,80 on the tip, standard at the joint.
- Our shaft is varnished (patent pendig system), with a special paint the allows a great feeling on the hand, smooth surface and easy maintenance. We've made this choise for both aesthetic and practical reasons. Some players who collaborated at the project, noted a faster visual fatigue using the black shaft.
- We proudly produce our cues interely in Italy, in every component (tip excluding), and we want to continue to do so. This is the only way to guarantee a direct and efficient quality control.
Why kickstarter?
Because we want give the possibility, in this period, to the players to try our cue in the face of a little investment for this kind of product.
We could choose a pro player to sponsor our product, but we've decided to don't do it. Believe us, we have our inbox full of players more or less known, who ask us to get a cue as sponsor.
We believe it's not the right way. We want, especially at this stage, partnership related to a comprehension of the project and to a real interest in it. We don't want partnership exclusively related to economic interests. Honestly also because we invested all our resources in research and development since the first day. We need trust and support of the players who are looking for a product like ours.
Also:
- Did all the players who tried our cue love it? No. We don't have the ultimate solution for the needs and the expectations of all. However they have remained all impressed by the characteristics and the performance. The ultimate solution is training, and after that, training again!!!
- Is our cue for all? Yes. We build it with the intent to give also to the wood lovers a good feeling. But let it be clear, that our is NOT a wooden cue, so it can't give back the feeling of wood.
- What it has in common our cue with the REVO shaft? I think I can answer that both work with the aim of improve the game experience, but they do it with the application of different technologies.
Ok, now, in order to answer the question-title of this topic. Less delay.
How do we compare to Predator?
We believe that Predator is an extraordinary company, which has been able to revolutionize the world of pool, which has made history and will continue to do it. We? We had a good idea, we have grown it, we have invested on it and we will continue to do it. We are already pleased to see approached it the name of our company in a thread like this, and to already have the trust of many players, in addition to some dealers who are contacting us. But what we more need, in this phase, is the trust of the players, to try to consolidate something different, in a different way, in the pool world.
This is all. Now it's up to you. It depends on the desire you have to try something new. Something that, independently from all, represent a part of the future pool world. Do what you feel, the most important thing is that you be happy when you play, relaxed, with a mind free. Our poolcue tries to give you this, nothing more and nothing less.
Sorry for the long post. We hope to gave you all the information you need about Becue.
In respect of the users and administrators of this forum we prefer don't give any other answer here, to avoid turning a free discussion between players in the FAQ page of BeCue.
Thanks a lot, best regards
Oh sorry, the most important thing I've read in previous comments... yep, the shot of Paul Newman in our video is a foul.:wink::wink::wink:
Alessandro and Michele
Meanwhile we want to give thanks to all those animate this thread and give a thanks to Marek for supporting us on kickstarter. Also thanks to open this thread, we are interested in the opinions of all of you.
Yes, it's real, as someone wrote here, our is a “x” brand, never heard before, as ally is for the startup.
BeCue is the result of 20 years of passion in pool game and 6 years of research and development. We've been worked to create an innovative cue, composed by undeformable materials and made to help the player to reduce at minimum all the variables, as deflection and swerve. As a result was born 2 patents those permit to our cue to be really performing.
Why did we do that? Because we're a little crazy and because we love this SPORT, and also because we want introduce on the market a cue with this features:
- low deflection/swerve
- indeformable materials
- cool design
- good feeling
We have succeded?? In our opinon and according to the player who contributed to product development, yes.
Towards deflection, what allows its reduction is the patent pending system “Aurora”, united to the shaft's structure and composition. We would point that all this is the result of 6 years of study, investment, test and partnership.
No, ours is not a economic imitation of something already on the market.
Here the reasons:
- Our cue is not economic, the productive process and the quality control behind it, will never become it an economic cue. The first price on kickstarter will never be repeated.
- We don't sell a shaft but a cue system
- The cue enjoys two our own patents
- Our shafts are made with carbon fiber (twill not unidirectional), glass fiber and kevlar. We have no intention to tell in what quantity and how they are applied. 5,1 shaft has our own shape with 3 different tapers, 11,80 on the tip, standard at the joint.
- Our shaft is varnished (patent pendig system), with a special paint the allows a great feeling on the hand, smooth surface and easy maintenance. We've made this choise for both aesthetic and practical reasons. Some players who collaborated at the project, noted a faster visual fatigue using the black shaft.
- We proudly produce our cues interely in Italy, in every component (tip excluding), and we want to continue to do so. This is the only way to guarantee a direct and efficient quality control.
Why kickstarter?
Because we want give the possibility, in this period, to the players to try our cue in the face of a little investment for this kind of product.
We could choose a pro player to sponsor our product, but we've decided to don't do it. Believe us, we have our inbox full of players more or less known, who ask us to get a cue as sponsor.
We believe it's not the right way. We want, especially at this stage, partnership related to a comprehension of the project and to a real interest in it. We don't want partnership exclusively related to economic interests. Honestly also because we invested all our resources in research and development since the first day. We need trust and support of the players who are looking for a product like ours.
Also:
- Did all the players who tried our cue love it? No. We don't have the ultimate solution for the needs and the expectations of all. However they have remained all impressed by the characteristics and the performance. The ultimate solution is training, and after that, training again!!!
- Is our cue for all? Yes. We build it with the intent to give also to the wood lovers a good feeling. But let it be clear, that our is NOT a wooden cue, so it can't give back the feeling of wood.
- What it has in common our cue with the REVO shaft? I think I can answer that both work with the aim of improve the game experience, but they do it with the application of different technologies.
Ok, now, in order to answer the question-title of this topic. Less delay.
How do we compare to Predator?
We believe that Predator is an extraordinary company, which has been able to revolutionize the world of pool, which has made history and will continue to do it. We? We had a good idea, we have grown it, we have invested on it and we will continue to do it. We are already pleased to see approached it the name of our company in a thread like this, and to already have the trust of many players, in addition to some dealers who are contacting us. But what we more need, in this phase, is the trust of the players, to try to consolidate something different, in a different way, in the pool world.
This is all. Now it's up to you. It depends on the desire you have to try something new. Something that, independently from all, represent a part of the future pool world. Do what you feel, the most important thing is that you be happy when you play, relaxed, with a mind free. Our poolcue tries to give you this, nothing more and nothing less.
Sorry for the long post. We hope to gave you all the information you need about Becue.
In respect of the users and administrators of this forum we prefer don't give any other answer here, to avoid turning a free discussion between players in the FAQ page of BeCue.
Thanks a lot, best regards
Oh sorry, the most important thing I've read in previous comments... yep, the shot of Paul Newman in our video is a foul.:wink::wink::wink:
Alessandro and Michele
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Response to me regarding prices
Hi,
we have two model of cues.
the difference between the cues is only in the estetic finish. One is completely naked carbon butt, the other is sneaky pete.
Below estimated costs
Naked: 950$
Sneaky:1.250$
Leonardo balance systemt 150$
Pandora Cue Case 1000-1200$
Don't miss kickstarter oppotuinity! Jump in!
Thanks for your confidence
Alessandro
Hi,
we have two model of cues.
the difference between the cues is only in the estetic finish. One is completely naked carbon butt, the other is sneaky pete.
Below estimated costs
Naked: 950$
Sneaky:1.250$
Leonardo balance systemt 150$
Pandora Cue Case 1000-1200$
Don't miss kickstarter oppotuinity! Jump in!
Thanks for your confidence
Alessandro
Where is the link to the kick starter page?
That explains why snooker players play with ash cues with BRASS FERRULES.
What do you mean by 'old'? I mean a lot of problem with trying to convert many brands of old cues is that the shaft has the male joint that screws into the female joint of the butt, which does not exist today (other than in snooker cues). Also a great many are not weight or balance adjustable, you can't slap an LD shaft, especially one with a hollow front end, on an old heavy butt from the days of tortoise slow cloth, and expect it to balance right for the majority of people. The butt isn't where the performance is, I could saw a leg off a table, put it on a lathe and set a uni-loc joint in it. Slap a 314 on it and it would still out-hit a 60s era Bushka.... Strads don't sound good because they're old, they sound good because their top spruce surface was carefully harmonically matched (by density) to their maple backplate, a skill only a few luthiers ever possessed until modern production and scanning techniques. Pool cues play best when the butt is made to match the characteristics of the shaft, and LD shaft needs a (probably) lighter and more balance-customizable butt for a good shooter to make her sing.
Revo or other shaft competitors may or may not be something that can be lived with or without.
Just TODAY, a Hall of Famer, playing in the Kuwait Open lost his first match miserably and was told by another WORLD CHAMPION that he should be playing with a low deflection shaft because of the new cloth. The HOFer had one low deflection shaft and his next match was won by a score of 9-0.
JoeyA
Good post. I think it's good when companies are able to get involved in the discussion of their products with their intended audience
I used old Pre Cat 314's for many many years.. they are getting old so I had 314-2's made up for my playing cues. The 314-2's play nothing like the old 314's. I tried a Revo and instantly fell in love with it. Plays almost exactly like my old 314's. I am a huge fan..........
Wow.
I make a passing comment and you want to make an argument bout it? And your argument does not even make sense and only supports what I have already said anyway.
You don't know me, nor what you are getting into. So I'll do you a favor and walk away. :wink:
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I'm in
I sent an email to Alessandro to clarify if the pledge amount of 500 euro pays for the cue in full.
His reply:
"Dear Dave,
if you pledge 500 you will recive the cue. € 25 are a contribution to the shipping costs.
Ship fast and secure the cue has a high cost, so now we ask for a small contribution because you are buying the cue with 50%off.
You will receive the cue at the end of the campaign, if the campaign does not reach the 20,000 euro set, not a single euro will be deducted from your credit card. Right now, you're making an offer, which is valid only if we reach the total. For this reason we need the trust of all now, to reach the goal, and give you the product at an unrepeatable price.
We hope you can give us your trust and make an offer, and persuading some other player to do the same.
We are sure you will never regret! This product has already been tested and appreciated by major players with international experience, but we need to spread it into the world to consolidate the project and continue to grow!
Thanks Dave, any other questions please contact us!
Alessandro"
With that I joined Marek and pledged the 500 plus 25 euro.
I've tried all kinds of shafts, read many books, had lessons, and am waiting on my digicue from Shane. So I figured why not try this out; especially since it looks very interesting.
Home they meet their goal and maybe we'll see another innovation come to fruition.
Regards All
Dave
I sent an email to Alessandro to clarify if the pledge amount of 500 euro pays for the cue in full.
His reply:
"Dear Dave,
if you pledge 500 you will recive the cue. € 25 are a contribution to the shipping costs.
Ship fast and secure the cue has a high cost, so now we ask for a small contribution because you are buying the cue with 50%off.
You will receive the cue at the end of the campaign, if the campaign does not reach the 20,000 euro set, not a single euro will be deducted from your credit card. Right now, you're making an offer, which is valid only if we reach the total. For this reason we need the trust of all now, to reach the goal, and give you the product at an unrepeatable price.
We hope you can give us your trust and make an offer, and persuading some other player to do the same.
We are sure you will never regret! This product has already been tested and appreciated by major players with international experience, but we need to spread it into the world to consolidate the project and continue to grow!
Thanks Dave, any other questions please contact us!
Alessandro"
With that I joined Marek and pledged the 500 plus 25 euro.
I've tried all kinds of shafts, read many books, had lessons, and am waiting on my digicue from Shane. So I figured why not try this out; especially since it looks very interesting.
Home they meet their goal and maybe we'll see another innovation come to fruition.
Regards All
Dave