REWARD + GoFundMe Acct. to catch Mike Surber's murderer

jason said:
I think DNA has improved over the last several years. I know they can link people thru their kin folk. For example, a serial killer in LA (who was a cop BTW) was found when a family member(s) traced their DNA with ancestry testing kit. I don't think this level of tracking was available when Mike was murdered. I could be wrong. I'm not an expert on DNA.
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No expert myself. I'm not sure all of the pieces were there, I think most or all were but too expensive to be practical and of course the databases of DNA were far smaller. I think back then it was more practical to exclude somebody with DNA evidence than it was to convict them and that still cost tens of thousands best I remember. I remember it being $40K then $20K in very roughly that timeframe but I may be a full decade off now, I never needed DNA work. It is still very easy to have other DNA contaminating the sample and while the police may be sure, it is hard to bring something in a courtroom unless the sample is solid or very close to it, and the chain of possession is clean.

I know that catching Mike's killer gets easier by the day. My main hope now is that he doesn't die and escape justice. I do believe he will be found. Mike's family would still have some closure but being a lot more old testament than new I am hoping to be able to see some punishment.

Hu
 
FIRST You have to have the Perps DNA-then you may be able to match it to a cousin. 2nd cousin or whoever who has 'similar DNA' (a family member) in an Ancestry site if it isnt straight up in a database itself. Once you have the cousin match it is a matter of going thru the family tree and find a guy who was the right age at the time and who maybe was known to be in the area at the time etc-Then you have to confirm by getting the perps DNA surreptitiously or Court order and if it is a match, it is likely you have your man. I asked if they had the suspect's DNA in this thread and did not receive an answer. Without his DNA, Familial DNA cannot be found. Period!
 
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Nostroke said:
FIRST You have to have the Perps DNA-then you may be able to match it to a cousin. 2nd cousin or whoever who has 'similar DNA' (a family member) if it isnt straight up in a database itself. Once you have the cousin match it is a matter of going thru the family tree and find a guy who was the right age at the time and who maybe was known to be in the area at the time etc-Then you have to confirm by getting the perps DNA surreptitiously or Court order and if it is a match, it is likely you have your man. I asked if they had the suspect's DNA in this thread and did not receive an answer. Without his DNA, Familial DNA cannot be found. Period!
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You are right of course but they may be starting with DNA samples from several loosely suspected people. Family DNA is likely to loosely match one of the samples. Then if you can get a known sample from the killer based on family DNA you can now match that DNA with the original DNA sample they may have. With over 99% match you now have proof the killer was there. You still haven't proven he killed anyone, you just fitted one piece to the puzzle.

There is always the question of where any possible DNA was found. At a public place like the pool hall it might reduce the suspect group to a few dozen or few hundred. DNA from inside Surber's car or anywhere at his home is much stronger. Still not proof of a crime but proof he was in this place or these places.

It isn't nearly as easy to put together enough information to take a case to trial, and win, in the real world as it is on a TV show.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
You are right of course but they may be starting with DNA samples from several loosely suspected people. Family DNA is likely to loosely match one of the samples. Then if you can get a known sample from the killer based on family DNA you can now match that DNA with the original DNA sample they may have. With over 99% match you now have proof the killer was there. You still haven't proven he killed anyone, you just fitted one piece to the puzzle.

There is always the question of where any possible DNA was found. At a public place like the pool hall it might reduce the suspect group to a few dozen or few hundred. DNA from inside Surber's car or anywhere at his home is much stronger. Still not proof of a crime but proof he was in this place or these places.

It isn't nearly as easy to put together enough information to take a case to trial, and win, in the real world as it is on a TV show.

Hu
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I was just trying to keep it simple for the people with no idea- I could have written 8 more paragraphs that no one would read. :)
 
It has been a long time since I have employed the term, but the sniveling pos that killed Mike truly "needs killing". As a long time believer in karma, it is difficult for me to believe that it has not already met its fate. This belief, however, brings me little comfort -- I want to know, or I want it caught.
 
maha said:
he is already dead or in jail likely.
but something to learn from this is never go anyplace alone with a stranger.
especially one you meet in a bar or poolroom and from out of town.
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Great advice, Maha. It's a certainty this creature has done this crime elsewhere in the past when he was sure he'd get away with it.

I advise taking this particular matter up, on any of the very active, much larger social media platforms. Somebody will remember something.

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I just could not believe that this guy hasn't been found .... so I did some sleuthing and think I found a suspect. Just sent a tip to FBI in Jackson MS, so now we wait and see what happens. Just too many coincidences I found along with a photo matching the perps description. I hope this is the guy and they find/question/arrest him sooner than later.
 
ratnip said:
I just could not believe that this guy hasn't been found .... so I did some sleuthing and think I found a suspect. Just sent a tip to FBI in Jackson MS, so now we wait and see what happens. Just too many coincidences I found along with a photo matching the perps description. I hope this is the guy and they find/question/arrest him sooner than later.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. This loser is a drifter and opportunist. Killing Mike was probably not his first or last. I doubt he stayed in the area more than 24hrs after the murder. Catching these douchebags is near impossible without someone coming forward.
 
he may not even intended to kill him but felt he had to or get caught. many killings end up that way. he could have been trying to rob him and mike tried to resist.
in any case he deserves what he gets or has gotten already from someone else.

also he may have been a hit man of some kind as pool players no matter how nice they are have some skeletons in their closets and someone might have been getting even for something.
as why didnt he just rob him earlier when they were alone. he either knew mike had money at home or wanted a safe place to kill him.
 
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Mike's death was nothing short of a senseless, cold blooded murder. No excuse or rationale for sympathy or mercy exists.

A very good man was taken from us. All that is left is that justice be served both here and in the hereafter. His murderer might escape one, but never the other -- there are certain debts on which one cannot default. I still prefer to believe that karma dealt her game a while ago, that this pos caught a very bad hand, and that the great gears of eternal retribution are grinding slowly below.

Mike's death is still a source of undiminished sadness for so many of us even after all of these years. God rest his soul.
 
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Biloxi Boy said:
Mike's death was nothing short of a senseless, cold blooded murder. No excuse or rationale for sympathy or mercy exists.

A very good man was taken from us. All that is left is that justice be served both here and in the hereafter. His murderer might escape one, but never the other -- there are certain debts on which one cannot default. I still prefer to believe that karma dealt her game a while ago, that this pos caught a very bad hand, and that the great gears of eternal retribution are grinding slowly below.

Mike's death is still a source of undiminished sadness for so many of us even after all of these years. God rest his soul.
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This guy was a good con man to get over on Mike, who was very careful. He's probably still out there somewhere, preying on innocent people. He may eventually be caught as this case remains open. I still look for him wherever I go.
 
Maybe the guy was killed off buy someone he tried conning, then dumped in some Rural Place were Animals ate his flesh, and bones.
 
Well, since y'all brought it up, we should acknowledge that, even on this day of incredible happiness and celebration, the lives of many are still marred by unresolved criminal cases. We should pray that the fiends are caught and punished. Moreover, we should all pray that Christ's abiding love reach and calm all who suffer from unresolved murders. The gifts of Christmas should be many and great.
 
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It’s very sad indeed that we go through yet another holiday season and this good man, Mike Surber, who was taken from his friends and loved ones by a murderer who remains at large.

We certainly need justice for Mike
 
most likely this guy is dead or in another country. and likely was from one. as it is almost impossible with a picture on the web that someone doesnt know him.

and his pic if being all over face book would get him identified. if that was done regularly.

or remote possibility altered his looks. otherwise he would have been caught.
 
Man, I cannot believe this is still unsolved. I grew up in Gulfport/Biloxi, played at Skeeters, and met/played with Mike when I was in high school. I was away at college when this happened. I've been away from pool for a long time, and I still think about this every year. He was always a kind guy to me.

I'm glad to see that people have not forgotten.
 
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