Rip-off is official..beware Yuri_b17 and Tim_hong

alpine9430 said:
The USPS money orders are the best way to go where you can at least have the postal teller cash them immediately after you receive them in the mail prior to your shipping the cue.


TNX - myron
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Just a side note here. I was in the post office when a old couple came in with a postal money order for 85.00 and the counter person told them they couldn't cash it because they didn't have 85.00 in the draw.

This made me wonder how the heck would they every be able to cash a MO for a couple k if needed?

I just thought that was strange.

And sorry you got ripped Joe you've always been stand up professional with me sir.
 
Pii said:
Just a side note here. I was in the post office when a old couple came in with a postal money order for 85.00 and the counter person told them they couldn't cash it because they didn't have 85.00 in the draw.

This made me wonder how the heck would they every be able to cash a MO for a couple k if needed?

I just thought that was strange.

And sorry you got ripped Joe you've always been stand up professional with me sir.
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Yep...Had that happen to me last week. Brought in a money order, and wanted to convert it to a MO for a smaller amount, and the rest in cash. The postal folks didn't have enough cash in the drawer...so I had to get another money order for the difference and take it elsewhere.

It happens...especially first thing in the morning, right after they open up.

Joe - I'm sorry to hear you got taken to the cleaners on this one. I hate hearing that it happened at all...much less to one of the most respected members of AZB.

Got your PM about the Schon, by the way. Sorry I didn't respond sooner...it's been a bit hectic.

Mark
 
I have an idea...

Lets start "the AZB international police"

Lets create a list of members who live around the world and can help track down and bring to justice these a-holes... and do whatever it takes to restore the sellers PayPal reputation and accounts.

We will need to create a second list of reputable sellers that only they can use the first list (otherwise any ***** can send us on a ghost chase...)

I volunteer to cover my parts of the woods in case we get this going.
 
I really wish you the best of luck with this situation. I HATE a thief.. but I had something similar happen to me right here in the states and could get nothing resolved. The athorities don't really get too involved in these things. They don't really care.. so good luck with Hong Kong............
Bamacues said:
No biggie. It won't work out. My money is gone, but I went against my gut feeling, so I learned a lesson.

After 35 years of Federal Service, I have learned to pursue things like this to the end. I WILL notify the Hong Kong authorities, even if nothing ever comes of it.

Joe
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Retail1LO said:
It's official. I'm no longer using PayPal as a buyer or seller...and I'm not doing international business. I just refuse. I'm sorry if that limits my ability to move around a little bit...but it has to be. I refuse to be a part of this. I'm so sorry this happened to you Joe. You're a stand up guy. I'm only accepting money orders from now on...and I'll ship when they cash. If someone internationally wants to do business with me...I'm going to require an escrow service be used at the very least. I'm still leaning towards not doing it at all. I apologize in advance for all the wonderful people out there that live abroad.
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While you're at it, stop using credit cards, because there's fraud there, too. Also, counterfeiting is up these days, so you shouldn't take cash either. I have a new suggestion. Take payment in blood. Wait - they could fake that, too.

Don't blame PayPal for this. The problem lies with 2 guys that took advantage of the system, and two people that were a little too trusting of them. This isn't a slag against the guys that got suckered. I feel bad for them. However, they have probably learned from this mistake. There are ways of making sure the transaction cannot be withdrawn. Institute a 5 day ship policy from the time of payment. This way, you have time to withdraw the money from your PayPal account to your bank, and then you can ship. However, this is how David Huff pulled his selling scam. He'd get the money, then clean it out of the account before he could get a chargeback, so you (the seller) could end up looking like the crook.

I will continue to use PayPal, as I have had no issues with the people on AZB that I have used it with.
 
E-mail from Yuri_b17

I received the following email from Yuri Bayanin's email address. I asked him to report the individual and the crime to the Hong Kong police. I am not convinced, however.

Here is where Yuri has the cue posted on another forum.... http://forum.bilyar.net/viewtopic.php?t=2844

Joe

"Hi Sir,

I am the real yuri_b17 in azb forum, i know you have been affected by this fraud, i know this guy and i even introduced him on azb, i have already contacted Mr Juhlin about this. I have been a member of this forum for quite a while now and have had some wonderful transaction with some fellow member there. I have helped and let this guy stayed my house for about a week, he had left this morning and said will be back after 3 days, he had been accessing my azb acct and now i can't even login to it and even my emails, all my passwords had been changed. My last transaction on azb that I am aware of was with Mr. Dave Albrecht, other than this were already out of my consent. I am willing to help in whatever way i can to straighten out this matter, please extend my apologies to the people affected by this and please do not anymore transact with my username yuri_b17 especially on azb. My paypal acct was also used knowing it only now, so I have to cancel it. My identity is being used and even all my personal details is being spread out without me knowing it, and i would not let this thing happen to me and my family. I will not disgrace my reputation that i am building up for just a couple of hundred bucks. I have made some past transactions with some reputable people in the forum and i wanted to keep it that way, sir please keep me posted and i am willing to do anything to straighten up this mess being made by a monster under my name.

Yuri Bayanin "

Oops!!...
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Bamacues said:
Well, as anticipated, I have just been hit by the claims of unauthorized transactions by Yuri_b17, aka, Tim_hong.

(See AZB thread: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=112945 )

#1 payment:
Payment Received (Unique Transaction ID #9MT61085F3689474U)
This transaction has been reversed
For further details please see transaction 6Y5660261X464850C
Sent by: Bayanin Yuri
Buyer Email: yuri_b17@yahoo.com

#2 Payment:
(Unique Transaction ID #6N933977LN7803024)
Sent by: Lam Yumi
Buyer Email: yumilam76@gmail.com


I now understand how he does it. First, he pays a nominal amount out of his real account. The rest, he pays out of another account. Then, he iniates a claim with Paypal on the small clain. I can prove that I shipped the cue to him on it, but he only paid $16 through that account.

Next, after he files that claim and is possibly denied on it, he files the second claim on the item, which he paid from the second account, in this case, $249.

Since the first claim will have been iniated and possibly satisfied, then I can't prove to Paypal that a shipment went to that address.

It is a real shame, but I will at least file a claim with the Hong Kong cyber crime unit. Fortunately, my daughter-in-law is from Hong Kong, and her father will help me with it. I may never receive my money back, but at least I can make the authorities aware of the on-going crime.

Everyone, please beware. No more "Mr. Nice-guy".

Joe
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That stinks.
 
Joe...here's my suggestion.
a) we ask for donations from the good AZers to help you
get your money back or...
b) hold a cash raffle for twice the amount you lost with
the understanding that the winner of the raffle gets half
the money and you get the other half...
 
The same guys tried it with me it is all bs, I transferred the money instantly out of Paypal and never sent the cue, When i issued there refund they were mad it took so long for the funds to clear out of my bank, They will not use wire transfers which tells alot. Good luck i hope they fall
 
Bamacues said:
I received the following email from Yuri Bayanin's email address. I asked him to report the individual and the crime to the Hong Kong police. I am not convinced, however.

Joe

"Hi Sir,

I am the real yuri_b17 in azb forum, i know you have been affected by this fraud, i know this guy and i even introduced him on azb, i have already contacted Mr Juhlin about this. I have been a member of this forum for quite a while now and have had some wonderful transaction with some fellow member there. I have helped and let this guy stayed my house for about a week, he had left this morning and said will be back after 3 days, he had been accessing my azb acct and now i can't even login to it and even my emails, all my passwords had been changed. My last transaction on azb that I am aware of was with Mr. Dave Albrecht, other than this were already out of my consent. I am willing to help in whatever way i can to straighten out this matter, please extend my apologies to the people affected by this and please do not anymore transact with my username yuri_b17 especially on azb. My paypal acct was also used knowing it only now, so I have to cancel it. My identity is being used and even all my personal details is being spread out without me knowing it, and i would not let this thing happen to me and my family. I will not disgrace my reputation that i am building up for just a couple of hundred bucks. I have made some past transactions with some reputable people in the forum and i wanted to keep it that way, sir please keep me posted and i am willing to do anything to straighten up this mess being made by a monster under my name.

Yuri Bayanin "
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As far as i know laws in honkong and china are very strict once he is caught than he is surely going to jail for long.

However i cant say if this story is real or not, accounts on az take pretty more than a week to activated.i would say probably about a month.May be Mr wilson can help exactly what date this guy registered and see if it was a week or more.
second thing i feel that this guy has done a fraud and now scared of getting caught he is making stories and wants to pay back whatever he hs duped.because if this matter is reported to hongkong police this guy is screwed for sure.

I think it is upto the people who have been duped to decide what further action needs to be taken
 
The AZ police are already at work.....

Many thanks for the support on this. This is why I love dealing with you folks.

The AZ police are already at work. Here is a thread where my cue is being offerred for sale. I will provide this information to Paypal. I captured a screenshot of this post. Maybe some of the more computer literate people can capture the entire thread so it can not be totally deleted.

http://forum.bilyar.net/viewtopic.php?t=2844

I understand he also posts on this other forum, so spread the word in all avenues:

http://forums.easypooltutor.com/index.php

Joe
 
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Posted on the bilyar forum the link to this thread. That's as best as i can help. I'll try to bump it every other day.
 
KeeFy said:
Posted on the bilyar forum the link to this thread. That's as best as i can help. I'll try to bump it every other day.
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That is much appreciated. I captured a screenshot so the pix can't be removed totally. Can you do the same on that forum? Thanks again,
Joe
 
Why is no one posting on that forum in that thread telling all that the guy ripped off that cue?


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OK now I see it at the bottom ... good for you Keefy.
Perhaps the other honest people there will do some self policing.
 
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