Rip-off Report on Glen, The Real King Cobra "UPDATE"

[ideologist]

I had my table recovered this week, a very nice job, still breaking in the new cloth.

I had to leave the rails with my table guy for 5 days. I was very sad by that, and it was only 5 days of no pool at home.

I can't imagine 5 months. I would die inside.

 

[gutshot]

Creeping toward 200!

What's the line on the OP getting his rails back before we hit 200 posts?

 

[ideologist]

Creeping toward 200!

What's the line on the OP getting his rails back before we hit 200 posts?

5/2

My guess is that these rails went out FedEx Overnight Air when it was realized the dude wasn't laying down anymore.

 

[supergreenman]

I was hoping all the bickering about Diamond vs Gold Crown would inflate the total, the over isn't looking too good. :embarrassed2:

Ontario vs. Alberta won't get us more than a page either. lol

 

[Nostroke]

Yeah, like I said in the last thread on this same issue... Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, hey... It is a duck
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Have you even given a single thought that it might simply be a shapeshifter??


Not to mention it could just be someone doing an EXCELLENT imitation of a duck!

Think man!! Think!!

 

[JCIN]

Now I understand, completely, your side of things


But I actually said I thought Diamond had a good product. So I did not bash them. I have no reason too.

Though 90% of Brunswick customers could care less if a pro wore a patch or Brunswick sponsored pro tournaments. They just want a pool table. If the men's pro tour was a professionally run organization with a real "tour", I am sure larger companies (larger than even Brunswick) would be more apt to put more into it. But there has to be a payoff/attractiveness to doing so for any "smart" business, and if Brunswick was not getting that with the women's pro tour, why would they invest more?

Yup Diamond has helped me on several occasions. One of them was trucking a table to South Dakota for TAR 1 at no charge. They had no clue it was even going to work out but they took a shot because they thought it would be good for pool. I like to think they were right.

I have yet to meet anyone who works for Brunswick directly at any pool tournament I attended or worked in the last decade or so.

So yes I have a bias.

I understand your point about viewing things from a strictly business POV. I am just very glad there is a company who tries to create events and keep bigger events alive instead of just worrying about how to sell more imported tables. You called Diamond a "fad". I think they deserve a little more respect than that.

All this talk of Brunswick made me go mosey around their website. I was actually shocked. I guess the GC V must be twice as good as a Diamond. Maybe its the shipping cost from China that makes it so pricey.




<-----doing his best to get us to 200 posts

 

[NoBull9]

I've spoken with a few heads of Brunswick over the years And I can tell you they look at pro pool as a loss like most plus you need tv time billiards is just not marketable here in the us at this time Diamond does a great job along with a short list of others trying to promote the game but for how long.

 

[ROB.M]

Table

Yup Diamond has helped me on several occasions. One of them was trucking a table to South Dakota for TAR 1 at no charge. They had no clue it was even going to work out but they took a shot because they thought it would be good for pool. I like to think they were right.

I have yet to meet anyone who works for Brunswick directly at any pool tournament I attended or worked in the last decade or so.

So yes I have a bias.

I understand your point about viewing things from a strictly business POV. I am just very glad there is a company who tries to create events and keep bigger events alive instead of just worrying about how to sell more imported tables. You called Diamond a "fad". I think they deserve a little more respect than that.

All this talk of Brunswick made me go mosey around their website. I was actually shocked. I guess the GC V must be twice as good as a Diamond. Maybe its the shipping cost from China that makes it so pricey.

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Brunswick was in the u.s.a for many-many years. 8-10 years ago that Brunswick farmed out the production of the GC and others, give diamond the amount of time in the billiards business as Brunswick and I bet they are made in china a lot sooner...I believe Chinese built diamonds are in the future, it might not say diamond in big bold letters but the table will be diamonds doings..


A pic of a GC IV

Rob.M

 

[JCIN]

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Brunswick was in the u.s.a for many-many years. 8-10 years ago that Brunswick farmed out the production of the GC and others, give diamond the amount of time in the billiards business as Brunswick and I bet they are made in china a lot sooner...I believe Chinese built diamonds are in the future, it might not say diamond in big bold letters but the table will be diamonds doings..


A pic of a GC IV



Rob.M

I believe in the open market. I also am well aware of why things are outsourced. What I dont believe in is companies making shit offshore then wrapping themselves in the flag as a marketing ploy to sell it. Thats just my opinion I get other people are different.

"A Brunswick billiard table is quintessentially American," ~ Brunswick web site

 

[TX Poolnut]

In the Indian Subcontinent, the king cobra is believed to possess exceptional memory. According to a myth, the picture of the killer of a king cobra stays in the eyes of the snake, which is later picked up by the partner and is used to hunt down the killer for revenge.

 

[jcrack_corn]

just to throw in my 2 cents (and thats all this post is worth, except maybe to those with the over)

although i have never commisioned glen for a job, i have followed his build posts here for years. mi also went as far as finding out when he would be passing through louisiana one time and ballpark pricing. it seems clear to me that mechanic wise he is probably the best in the country (certainly for diamonds), and at least top 5 for all brands.

it takes a strange and special type of person to achieve such a detailed level of knowledge and ability to use it in a discipline. i would certainly loosely say he is an artist. artists are wierd. if youve ever had a good artist work for you or any ultra niche craftsman, they really operate within thier own rules and timeline.

i personally do not belive that holding the rails for 5 months is a good business move, but i also do not believe that it wrecks his character. sometimes you have to acceot some character flaws to get what is the best or close to it. it doesnt mean you have to let your daughter marry him.

anyway, good luck to the over 200s, and i hope OP and glen work it out and move on with thier lives

 

[William]

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Brunswick was in the u.s.a for many-many years. 8-10 years ago that Brunswick farmed out the production of the GC and others, give diamond the amount of time in the billiards business as Brunswick and I bet they are made in china a lot sooner..
Rob.M

I'd take that action. Diamond isn't going anywhere.



<--------- also working towards the post count

 

[leto1776]

just to throw in my 2 cents (and thats all this post is worth, except maybe to those with the over)

although i have never commisioned glen for a job, i have followed his build posts here for years. mi also went as far as finding out when he would be passing through louisiana one time and ballpark pricing. it seems clear to me that mechanic wise he is probably the best in the country (certainly for diamonds), and at least top 5 for all brands.

it takes a strange and special type of person to achieve such a detailed level of knowledge and ability to use it in a discipline. i would certainly loosely say he is an artist. artists are wierd. if youve ever had a good artist work for you or any ultra niche craftsman, they really operate within thier own rules and timeline.

i personally do not belive that holding the rails for 5 months is a good business move, but i also do not believe that it wrecks his character. sometimes you have to acceot some character flaws to get what is the best or close to it. it doesnt mean you have to let your daughter marry him.

anyway, good luck to the over 200s, and i hope OP and glen work it out and move on with thier lives

So tirednof reading this played out analogy on this board, and I'm still relatively new here.

1. Even the greatest artists are ultimately responsible and must answer to their patrons. Michaelangelo answered to the Pope. When Vermeer painted Girl with a Pearl Earring, it was at the behest of a patron. The best modern "artists" have good managers whose sole purpose is to get them patronage, and make sure they meet deadlines.

2. The only reason people in the billiard industry get away with it is because the customers let them. Guys, time to take control. Hewe people make their livelihoods on your money.they work for you. They are responsible to you, the consumer. As long as you let people get away with shoddy business practices because "oh, but they're the best" they'll keep walking all over you. Glenn's belehavior in the last thread was atrocious, but he's only like that because nobody holds him accountable.the same goes for the cuemakers out there.

 

[leto1776]

Sorrry, on my tablet, tough tontype and edit.

Why do I never read about contracts in these type of threads? When you hire someone to put sewage to your home, they have a contract. If these table mechanics/cue makers don't have a contract, then write it up for yourself. Include any deadlines they give you. If they refuse to sign, don't do business with them. The contract will protect you in the long wrong.

 

[The Saw]

I'd take that action. Diamond isn't going anywhere.



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A-freaking-men. Brunswick has always been a corporation and from what I understand, has always farmed out their table construction. Diamond builds their own equipment and is owned by true blue Americans. No chance Greg will farm his product out.

 

[ROB.M]

Post

I'd take that action. Diamond isn't going anywhere.



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I'd love to gamble on that but I know I will be long dead to collect when diamond goes Chinese or elsewhere. 20-50 even 100 years ago I'm sure Brunswick said they'd always be American made.
The money went to there head and they realized how much money they was missing out on by importing the goods....
Brunswick owns many company's that makes everything from high-end pleasure yacht watercraft to exercise equipment.
Mr. Brunswick was a carriage maker and asked by his buddy to build him a billiard table,
He'd be real unhappy to know his tables are being imported... But it's not up to him any more and his family liked money to much.


Rob.M

 

[Idaho]

Glenn is a liar

From RKC roughly six weeks ago:

Before I sent Tony his money back by Walmart moneygram, I asked him if he was sure he wanted to go this route, he assured me that he did, So, I sent the money back and Tuesday I'll have someone from Diamond box up his rails and ship them back to him, and yes, I'll even pay the shipping back...no problem as I still can't get to his rails yet to work on them, seeing's how I'm in Brookings, SD heading to Sioux Falls, SD next, then on to Iowa, MN, WI and my last stop is in Northern Indiana for my last 9ft ProAm install downstairs with a steel plate joined 3 piece slate that I steel plated before I left the factory.

After getting back to the factory I still wouldn't have time to work on them as I'll be turning right around and leaving again for WY, MT, WA, and Alaska. So, sometimes that's just the way it works out...not having any time at all to do anything else.


It's funny, Glenn called us all liars a while ago when we spoke nothing but the truth. He posted this, didn't keep his word, and people still praise him. My question to all of AZ is how does this lying, bullying guy still have an account on here?

 

[Love The Game]

Glen step up

I am really disappointed by your lack of response on this thread. You are all over the topics that smack of politics but a complete p**** when it comes to getting into the grease of reality backed up by facts.

If you have one ounce of respect for your reputation you will respond.
I was one day away from calling you for an install and that is no lie.

What a hypocritical disgrace you have turned out to be.

-------> Glen is a joke and you should know: let the buyer beware!!

 

[joelpope]

I am really disappointed by your lack of response on this thread. You are all over the topics that smack of politics but a complete p**** when it comes to getting into the grease of reality backed up by facts.

If you have one ounce of respect for your reputation you will respond.
I was one day away from calling you for an install and that is no lie.

What a hypocritical disgrace you have turned out to be.

-------> Glen is a joke and you should know: let the buyer beware!!

How would he respond? "...yup, I crapped all over my customer and then followed it up with complete falsehoods on this forum..."

Not sure there's a whole lot for him to say, or, if he has any credibility at this point anyway

 

[JAM]

What a thread! Some portions were an interesting read.

Before Diamond came to the fore, Brunswick was the Rolls-Royce of tables. In fact, the equipment of choice was a Brunswick GC with a red-dot cueball.

Along came Diamond and interestingly a blue-dot cueball.

Old-school players preferred the Brunswick and red-dot cueball, and the new wave of players preferred the Diamond and the blue-dot cueball. I remember hearing the complaints from the old-school players like Allen Hopkins and others from his era complaining about that blue-dot cueball. :grin-square:

Because of the very noticeable absence of Brunswick sponsoring big events in recent times, Diamond has moved up the ladder as far as quality equipment. Brunswick seems to still sponsor bowling and boats, but pool not so much.

And Diamond's "Made in the USA" goes a long way with me. :wink:

After reading this thread in its entirety, I guess it begs the question: When is the last time "Real King Cobra" posted on AzBilliards?