Rodney Morris Challenges the Top 25 European Players

You are very selfish.

I'm a pool player, not an entertainer. I'm out to win, not make fans to boost my ego. I also don't think that makes me selfish.

In case you haven't noticed, competitors are they to compete, not entertain. Look at other sports, how entertaining is baseball, or basketball, or football? Heck, in football they stopped the touchdown dances just because they were entertaining, and thus ruled offensive to competition.

If you want entertainment, get a T.V. or go see a play.
 
Yes, but on the pro bowlers tour, you are allowed just one re-rack per match.

Yes, but, the prior posts about bowling had no mention of resetting at all, which is why I mentioned it. I knew they couldn't reset every set of pins, but didn't mention it. Thanks for adding the extra info, though. ;)
 
That's hilarious, yes, some can't see the glaciers for the gaps. LoL

Your 'case' appears to be an insistence on the game becoming slower, more methodical, more technical and ever more baffling to the casual viewer/player.

Perhaps you could make a case for why that is a good thing for this game, because I, and the vast majority of planet earth, cannot see it.

The carcass is twitching and you're interested in gaps.

That's hilarious, yes, some actually want the Game to stay dull and boring - they simply can't see the glaciers for the gaps. LoL

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After reading some if this thread, CJ and Neil need to figure one thing out! There both right and there both wrong! They are both looking at things from there own perspectives and neither is willing to put themselves in each others shoes! CJ is trying to put the game in its rightful place! Neil is there to be competitive! CJ is here for tomorrow, and Neil is here for today! Nothing wring with either side! The Passion for game shows! In no way am I trying to disrespect anyone here! Thanks CJ, for your continued appreciation and enthusiasm for thus great sport of ours!!! USA USA USA USA USA
 
delivering more strategic and entertainment value is essential to pull the Game back

After reading some if this thread, CJ and Neil need to figure one thing out! There both right and there both wrong! They are both looking at things from there own perspectives and neither is willing to put themselves in each others shoes! CJ is trying to put the game in its rightful place! Neil is there to be competitive! CJ is here for tomorrow, and Neil is here for today! Nothing wring with either side! The Passion for game shows! In no way am I trying to disrespect anyone here! Thanks CJ, for your continued appreciation and enthusiasm for thus great sport of ours!!! USA USA USA USA USA

Yes, and I understand and appreciate other's opinions as well.

I don't plan on playing in these matches so I have no personal "dog in the fight" other than from the TV perspective. I plan on producing a number of Pocket Billiard TV Shows and want to be in the "problem prevention" mode.

Making the rack and break a non issue/problem is important and also delivering more strategic and entertainment value is essential to pull the Game back into the public spotlight.

No matter what has to happen, this will happen...the game is too important to wither.
 
That's hilarious, yes, some actually want the Game to stay dull and boring - they simply can't see the glaciers for the gaps. LoL

Player's like what they already have. It gives them control. Anything new threatens their dominance. They like existing rules, slow play, classic rock, $4k cues and all the other things that play badly with the wider population. The sport must modernise.

Pool needs the great dictator. There isn't, and never will be, a grassroots revolution. Forget canvassing opinion of current players and impose changes directly from above instead. Pool is a camel - a horse designed by committee. There is no clear lead, let alone plan or strategy.

First up, a clear demarcation between the governing body and the players, with the players being reminded their livelihoods depend on doing what they are told to, when they are told to do it.
 
Player's like what they already have. It gives them control. Anything new threatens their dominance. They like existing rules, slow play, classic rock, $4k cues and all the other things that play badly with the wider population. The sport must modernise.

Pool needs the great dictator. There isn't, and never will be, a grassroots revolution. Forget canvassing opinion of current players and impose changes directly from above instead. Pool is a camel - a horse designed by committee. There is no clear lead, let alone plan or strategy.

First up, a clear demarcation between the governing body and the players, with the players being reminded their livelihoods depend on doing what they are told to, when they are told to do it.

This is by far the most accurate thing you have ever posted here, bravo.

Except there ain't nuthin wrong with classic rock :p
 
Yes, and I understand and appreciate other's opinions as well.

I don't plan on playing in these matches so I have no personal "dog in the fight" other than from the TV perspective. I plan on producing a number of Pocket Billiard TV Shows and want to be in the "problem prevention" mode.

Making the rack and break a non issue/problem is important and also delivering more strategic and entertainment value is essential to pull the Game back into the public spotlight.

No matter what has to happen, this will happen...the game is too important to wither.

Hi CJ
I'm interested in the types of pocket billiard shows your are going to produce? I realise this is not the best platform to share idea content. However if you are to PM and we can exchange 'real email' details and move forward? :thumb up:
What you say?
 
Player's like what they already have. It gives them control. Anything new threatens their dominance. They like existing rules, slow play, classic rock, $4k cues and all the other things that play badly with the wider population. The sport must modernise.

Pool needs the great dictator. There isn't, and never will be, a grassroots revolution. Forget canvassing opinion of current players and impose changes directly from above instead. Pool is a camel - a horse designed by committee. There is no clear lead, let alone plan or strategy.

First up, a clear demarcation between the governing body and the players, with the players being reminded their livelihoods depend on doing what they are told to, when they are told to do it.

Weren't you one of those condemning Str8Shots because they "reined in" John Schmidt in the Schmidt/Harriman match?
 
Yes, and I understand and appreciate other's opinions as well.

I don't plan on playing in these matches so I have no personal "dog in the fight" other than from the TV perspective. I plan on producing a number of Pocket Billiard TV Shows and want to be in the "problem prevention" mode.

Making the rack and break a non issue/problem is important and also delivering more strategic and entertainment value is essential to pull the Game back into the public spotlight.

No matter what has to happen, this will happen...the game is too important to wither.

If all you want is strategy, then make them play a safe break. Oh wait, they already have a game like that, it's called one-pocket.:wink:

Odd how you are so for a decent rack, and against cheating, but also against the magic rack which gives a tight rack everytime. Anytime people are against the racks that give a tight rack, alarm bells go off. What do they have against a tight rack? They KNOW it makes a difference, but they want a loose rack and then claim that is "fair". Yeah, right.:rolleyes:

Also odd how you are so against making balls on the break because you fear players putting packages together. Yet, you are in the process of putting out a DVD of a player doing just that, and claiming how entertaining it really is.

Pick a side,C.J., pick a side. You are flip-flopping more than a fish out of water does.
 
It's a pity I'm not in the top 25 of europe...I'd love to play...but the challenge isn't on for me I guess? :grin:
 
Our agenda's clear, to help the professional pool business reorganize and .........

Player's like what they already have. It gives them control. Anything new threatens their dominance. They like existing rules, slow play, classic rock, $4k cues and all the other things that play badly with the wider population. The sport must modernise.

Pool needs the great dictator. There isn't, and never will be, a grassroots revolution. Forget canvassing opinion of current players and impose changes directly from above instead. Pool is a camel - a horse designed by committee. There is no clear lead, let alone plan or strategy.

First up, a clear demarcation between the governing body and the players, with the players being reminded their livelihoods depend on doing what they are told to, when they are told to do it.


Wow, I'm not sure who you are, but you know the "secret recipe" that's been kept hidden since the start of pool's great downfall. It sounds like you have read tomorrow's newspaper, because you identified the appropriate components that are required.

I must say we are on the same page, what you described is what has happened in every successful turn around that we've studied. My group has a tremendous advantage because we have experience in turning businesses around and basically that's what is need in the "Professional Pool World".

Thanks for that refreshing post, it gets monotonous reading some of the non productive rhetoric from sources that don't wish to see anything change. Our agenda's clear, to help the professional pool business reorganize and use tried and true business strategies to be successful utilizing top quality marketing, advertising, character developing, and management personnel to develop a top quality TV presentation......then, and only then, can pool become an advertising vehicle like other prominent sports and games.
 
the "synergistic effect" where two becomes four and four becomes sixteen

Hi CJ
I'm interested in the types of pocket billiard shows your are going to produce? I realise this is not the best platform to share idea content. However if you are to PM and we can exchange 'real email' details and move forward? :thumb up:
What you say?

Yes, some of the details are proprietary, however, I've given enough information to encourage competition. Despite what some may think competition is going to be necessary to make this turn around as quickly and dramatically as possible. The entire industry must be open to seeing the solution, and not just stuck in old problems.

This is what we call the "synergistic effect" where two becomes four, four becomes sixteen and the "success energy" increases exponentially. I'm looking forward to where this all heading, no one knows how it will come to pass, just that it will if we all see the need to make the necessary adjustments to our old concepts.
 
CJ,

I like what you say here. I do, however, disagree with a few things you said.

I have seen many dealers in my time that can deal "seconds" and that certainly effects the outcome of the card game....they also can show players a glimpse of the cards, and even deal off the bottom. This effects the outcome much more than accidently not freezing the pool balls,
The analogy here would be if the ref didn't rack the one ball in the front or something. This is about the "rules" of dealing (racking)...there is no difference in "quality" of deal as long as the rules are satisfied. The same can not be said of the rack.

as a matter of fact you never know, it could actually help the player if the balls aren't "perfect".....it's impossible to know for sure from rack to rack....it's just "in the stars" like the "rolls" of the match for the most part.

It certainly is not impossible to know for sure from rack to rack. This is the whole point of inspecting the rack: to know. Joe Tucker I imagine would take issue with your statement here.

I think we can take it for granted that the Referees would be highly trained for the position of "official racker".

Even if the honesty of the racker isn't in question, it sure looks that way if the player studies his rack intently.....

It only looks that way to someone who is particularly defensive, and isn't concerned with the facts of the situation. It is also far more likely to come across this way to people who have not learned the specifics of the rack and how it effects the outcome of the break. (Of course it *could* be a question to the rackers honesty, but in most cases I think not. I believe strongly that the vast majority of bad racks I've received in my life were an accident.

it's fair to both players to be allowed to look OR it's fair if the players are NOT allowed to look.....it's just a matter of presentation.

Ok I agree with you here. Of course the possibility exists that one player will by chance get more favorable racks than the other, but I suppose it is fair if you have *extremely* skilled and *moral* refs.

We know how to see the "L Train" (from Joe Tucker) and depending on how anal the player is or wants to be they can take a magnifying glass to the table and spend a minute or two studying the rack before they break.......we just have to decide if this is to be allowed or not contingent on how it effects the flow and visual aspects of the game. I personally don't think it looks good, and it makes no difference to me if we're allowed to look or not.

Realistically, I think less than 10 seconds is required to decide if the rack is good or not, and what to do with it based on the gaps.


We can also allow the players to study every shot with as much time as they need or we can seek to speed up play to make it more exciting and entertaining to the viewers.

I hear you here. This is very important at this point in our sport.

I just played a tourney the other night, I never once asked for a rerack. However I did look at almost every rack. After reading this thread I tried not looking a few times. On one I made a million balls on the break, on the others it was like hitting a clump of mud. It most definitely effected the outcome of those games. Now, the only problem I have is this: in that group of people, I think my racking skills are even more above the average level than my pool skills. So is it fair that I consistently give near perfect racks, but receive horrible loose disasters for racks? What do you do in this situation, where there are not any refs to rack?

Anyway, good post.

KMRUNOUT
 
As long as it's fair to both sides, who cares?

I completely agree. However, the only way to know if it is indeed fair to both sides is to keep a record of the quality of every single rack, and determine at the end of the match if both players received an equal number of good racks or bad.

The point of "checking" is to keep it fair for both sides.

KMRUNOUT
 
Yes, some of the details are proprietary, however, I've given enough information to encourage competition. Despite what some may think competition is going to be necessary to make this turn around as quickly and dramatically as possible. The entire industry must be open to seeing the solution, and not just stuck in old problems.

This is what we call the "synergistic effect" where two becomes four, four becomes sixteen and the "success energy" increases exponentially. I'm looking forward to where this all heading, no one knows how it will come to pass, just that it will if we all see the need to make the necessary adjustments to our old concepts.

I wasn't thinking competition, more synergy...
I am not sure how to send PM on AZ but I will give it a go CJ :thumbup:
 
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