Ron Swanson

BeiberLvr said:
Hell must have frozen over.

Well known snooker coach, Nic Barrow is on the verge of releasing an AIMING SYSTEM for SNOOKER.

Looks like it'll be available Nov. 25th

Mark your calendar :grin:


http://www.thesnookergym.com/aimframe/
Click to expand...

That's too bad because it appears that "Ron Swanson" has left the building. Perhaps he was Nik Barrow all along. ;-)

And Nik taking the piss out of Ghost Ball aiming???? Man that's some sacrilegious stuff right there. He better not try and sell that crap on The Snooker Forum......
 
I know what the aiming system is, I've tried it... And can safely say your minds will not be blown. Aiming systems and snooker don't really mix well.
 
Ron Swanson and his alter ego screen name The Thaiger have been given a long overdue BAN HAMMER. I'm sure it won't stop him from creating something else to came back and troll.
 
BeiberLvr said:
http://www.thesnookerforum.co.uk/board/threads/54644-CTE-in-snooker

A thread that someone started about CTE in Snooker. As could be expected, the discussion is not in favor of the system. However, much more civil than what generally occurs here.
Click to expand...

I just read four pages. The guy who actually tried it thinks it has some merit and wants to continue to learn it. The rest are just guys with opinions that have never even tried it. Sounds like AZ but yea, a lot more civil.
 
Byrom said:
18th November 2015 02:22 AM
Default CTE in snooker
Ramon gave me an idea for a thread - Lots of aiming systems in pool and in America they seem like they are selling formulas to things - do we need them in snooker - are other players out there already doing things like this without even knowing or being able to describe it - I wonder? Anyway shoot me down I tried out something completely different for a laugh - here was tonight's findings.

Just wondered if anyone uses the aiming theory called CTE in snooker?

Now this is a hotly debated thing on a lot of pool forums apparently so I watched some video's by this guy called Stan who seemed very passionate about it so I thought why not do a little research and give it a try for a laugh on the snooker table. Nothing ventured nothing gained as it where.

Now because of the terminology and translation its hard to get a meaning about it properly lots of pivot this 15 30 half ball pivot disguised pivot etc., and I did not really get what he meant properly but he said one phrase I remembered 'thinking in curves' a golf expression which I will come back to later.

Anyway so there I was pivoting away stood up trying to pivot working out the angles standing up getting it all wrong and balls are flying around everywhere apart from the hole and well I just did not get it really but then I set up a few different shots and visualised the edge and started bringing the cue back from an off set to centre and then cueing through centre ball and bingo things started flying in - I started doing the half ball pivot thing and don't know if I exactly got it right all the time but it started becoming easier and easier so anyway I made a few tons in open play doing this with balls spread - please keep in mind I do this normally anyway - but the visualisation of this method started kicking in and I started seeing it more and more - to be honest it was surprising to me how enjoyable it was it felt a lot less effort the more I continued actually. Anyway its a worthy sighting/visualisation thing I think so I am going to stick with it a bit more and look into it a little deeper - shoot me down for saying it if you want - but I found it fun.

Some pool playing guy called Hal? came up with and he swore by it. I don't think because of the Americanisms it translates well and I mixed it up with normal play at times but hey just saying there's something in it if you ask me. in my first hour I was missing simple 3 quarter blacks off the spot but by the end of the night - I remembered the phrase - thinking in curves - I lined the cue ball up edge to edge sighting centre ball brought the cue back from an off set angled position and then drove through straight and centred - I started spotting the different pivoting positions and suddenly everything was flying in and it was as if a light came on.

Anyway this aiming theory is a bit woolly - or at least my understanding of it is and its hard to explain but the geometry of it works somehow - maybe it was a fluke - maybe it was just that I was on a generous club table tonight but regardless I enjoyed it and I think and its worth a bit more investigation. I would love to have a chat with anyone who knows what I mean or coaches this stuff - thanks.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk
 
The discussion is very civil on the snooker forum. I guess Ron Swanson - Thaiger is all the way gone from AZB? I can't even find a user by that name. And of course no one has stepped up on TSF to claim ownership of that alias.
 
Seems they discuss aiming quite a lot on the Snooker Forum. Quite contrary to statements made by Ron and a few others.
 
JB Cases said:
Seems they discuss aiming quite a lot on the Snooker Forum. Quite contrary to statements made by Ron and a few others.
Click to expand...
They do. Most of it is about sighting and asking for tips on finding the line of aim. CTE, SEE... Even CP2CP are nothing like what snooker players are used to. But the younger players especially are open to such systems... It's just no one with any credibility has been able to catch their attention.

For the snooker crowd you ability to pot balls means everything if you were to market an aiming system to them. Ronnie could release a system tomorrow that doesn't work but you bet he would have players up and down the country buying it. And even then you would get the old fashioned players saying you don't need a system, just table time.

In some ways nooker has it spot on. .. In others they are still in the dark ages.
 
I think the same can be said for pool.

Pidge said:
They do. Most of it is about sighting and asking for tips on finding the line of aim. CTE, SEE... Even CP2CP are nothing like what snooker players are used to. But the younger players especially are open to such systems... It's just no one with any credibility has been able to catch their attention.

For the snooker crowd you ability to pot balls means everything if you were to market an aiming system to them. Ronnie could release a system tomorrow that doesn't work but you bet he would have players up and down the country buying it. And even then you would get the old fashioned players saying you don't need a system, just table time.

In some ways nooker has it spot on. .. In others they are still in the dark ages.
Click to expand...
 
JB Cases said:
That's too bad because it appears that "Ron Swanson" has left the building. Perhaps he was Nik Barrow all along. ;-)

And Nik taking the piss out of Ghost Ball aiming???? Man that's some sacrilegious stuff right there. He better not try and sell that crap on The Snooker Forum......
Click to expand...

Sure he is. Lots of people will buy it too, because he is a respected coach allready. He also has tons of stuff for sale. DVD's, coaching, various gadgets etc. I don't think he's found a super secret "perfect" aiming system, because I don't think such a thing exists. That doesn't prevent peope from claiming they've found it every freaking year. You never know, maybe this time it's the real deal:rolleyes:.

Sometimes when this sort of thing is going on I'm reminded of the Jews and the state of Israel. You got to feel for them, having to endure centuries upon centuries of people claiming they're the new Messiah every year, even multiple times every day. Every time they turn one of these nuts away, they slink away mumbling threats of revenge under their breaths, some more serious than others. And boy do those people know how to hold a grudge, for centuries even! The Israelis had to implement special screening at the airport to stop the craziest ones. That kind of thing tends to wear on you after a while.
 
Last edited:
Straightpool_99 said:
Sure he is. Lots of people will buy it too, because he is a respected coach allready. He also has tons of stuff for sale. DVD's, coaching, various gadgets etc. I don't think he's found a super secret "perfect" aiming system, because I don't think such a thing exists. That doesn't prevent peope from claiming they've found it every freaking year. You never know, maybe this time it's the real deal:rolleyes:.

Sometimes when this sort of thing is going on I'm reminded of the Jews and the state of Israel. You got to feel for them, having to endure centuries upon centuries of people claiming they're the new Messiah every year, even multiple times every day. Every time they turn one of these nuts away, they slink away mumbling threats of revenge under their breaths, some more serious than others. And boy do those people know how to hold a grudge, for centuries even! The Israelis had to implement special screening at the airport to stop the craziest ones. That kind of thing tends to wear on you after a while.
Click to expand...


Why do you even get involved or care about aiming threads? You're in essence playing on either a 4' x 4' table or a 4 1/2' x 4 1/2' table 90% of the time. If you can't pocket balls just to pocket balls with whatever you use on such a small surface, then you probably do need an aiming system or just quit playing pool.

Your focus needs to be on speed, distance control, getting the correct angle to come into specific areas of the rack to separate the balls, and planning well in advance for the break ball and angle. CTE is NOT for you so don't sweat it.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Why do you even get involved or care about aiming threads? You're in essence playing on either a 4' x 4' table or a 4 1/2' x 4 1/2' table 90% of the time. If you can't pocket balls just to pocket balls with whatever you use on such a small surface, then you probably do need an aiming system or just quit playing pool.

Your focus needs to be on speed, distance control, getting the correct angle to come into specific areas of the rack to separate the balls, and planning well in advance for the break ball and angle. CTE is NOT for you so don't sweat it.
Click to expand...

Look, my post wasn't specifically about CTE, but about hysterical aiming system fanatics in general. I agree with you: Aiming is a very small part of pool. Especially the american version. It becomes more important when the pockets start shrinking, but still is no where near as important as in snooker. I don't know why I keep posting in this threads, when I keep promising myself that I won't. I'd much rather play the game, actually, but at the moment it is not possible, so I amuse myself with going on Azb. I've had surgery and am recovering, and the doctor tells me I can play much sooner than I thought. I can't wait for it.

Here is a list of previously "perfect" aming systems that have been marketed.

Ghost ball (as taught by Mosconi)

Mullen system

Quarters system (as taught by too many snooker coaches to even mention)

SEE system

CTE

Perfect aim* (debatable wether it is an actual aiming system or not)

TOI*

Aiming by the numbers

Roy Chisholm system (an actual snooker aiming system)


Shane Van Boening system* (Was that actually on the instructional or just in an interview?)

Coming systems:

Samba

Aim frame

Did I forget any? Feel free to add to the list.
 
Last edited:
Straightpool_99 said:
Look, my post wasn't specifically about CTE, but about hysterical aiming system fanatics in general. I agree with you: Aiming is a very small part of pool. Especially the american version. It becomes more important when the pockets start shrinking, but still is no where near as important as in snooker. I don't know why I keep posting in this threads, when I keep promising myself that I won't. I'd much rather play the game, actually, but at the moment it is not possible, so I amuse myself with going on Azb. I've had surgery and am recovering, and the doctor tells me I can play much sooner than I thought. I can't wait for it.

Here is a list of previously "perfect" aming systems that have been marketed.

Ghost ball (as taught by Mosconi)

Mullen system

Quarters system (as taught by too many snooker coaches to even mention)

SEE system

CTE

Perfect aim* (debatable wether it is an actual aiming system or not)

TOI*

Aiming by the numbers

Roy Chisholm system (an actual snooker aiming system)

Coming systems:

Samba

Aim frame

Did I forget any? Feel free to add to the list.
Click to expand...

Since most of these systems aren't heavily discussed on these forums, you're always one of the anti-CTE individuals that can be counted on to start blasting it from one angle or another.

Did you forget any?? ABSOLUTELY!! But again, why does it bother you so much?
Surgery isn't fun and I do hope you recover to spend more time on the table and keep your VOW not to come into aiming system threads...especially CTE.

More AIMING SYSTEMS:

The Rail Road Aiming System
The Tunnel Aiming System
The Chain Ball Aiming System
The Square Ball Aiming System
The Arrow System
The Line Aiming System
Light Reflection System
Ball Reflection Aiming System
Ball Shadow Aiming System
Rail Shadow Aiming System
Invisible Spot Aiming System
The Sectional Aiming System
Four Equal Sections (Quarters)
Three Equal Sections (Thirds)
Equal and Opposite Aiming System - Contact point
Double The Distance Aiming System
Isosceles Triangle Aiming System
Shiskebob Aiming System
Three Line Aiming System
Ferrule or Stick Aiming System
90/90

And I've probably forgotten a couple so please feel free to add more.
 
Last edited:
SpiderWebComm said:
Since most of these systems aren't heavily discussed on these forums, you're always one of the anti-CTE individuals that can be counted on to start blasting it from one angle or another.

Did you forget any?? ABSOLUTELY!! But again, why does it bother you so much?
Surgery isn't fun and I do hope you recover to spend more time on the table and keep your VOW not to come into aiming system threads...especially CTE.

More AIMING SYSTEMS:

The Rail Road Aiming System
The Tunnel Aiming System
The Chain Ball Aiming System
The Square Ball Aiming System
The Arrow System
The Line Aiming System
Light Reflection System
Ball Reflection Aiming System
Ball Shadow Aiming System
Rail Shadow Aiming System
Invisible Spot Aiming System
The Sectional Aiming System
Four Equal Sections (Quarters)
Three Equal Sections (Thirds)
Equal and Opposite Aiming System
Double The Distance Aiming System
Isosceles Triangle Aiming System
Shiskebob Aiming System
Three Line Aiming System
Ferrule or Stick Aiming System

And I've probably forgotten a couple so please feel free to add more.
Click to expand...

Some of these actually sound interesting. Square ball?:D I must admit I've never heard of most of these, but then again I'm not sure they have been marketed/sold as tapes either? What is the "rail shadow system"? Do you have a link?
 
Straightpool_99 said:
Some of these actually sound interesting. Square ball?:D I must admit I've never heard of most of these, but then again I'm not sure they have been marketed/sold as tapes either? What is the "rail shadow system"? Do you have a link?
Click to expand...

Oh, all of a sudden you have an interest in some "worthless" aiming system. :grin::grin::grin:

I'll write it out if you promise not to be an antagonist in future CTE threads. It serves no purpose for you in any way shape or form. Deal?
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Oh, all of a sudden you have an interest in some "worthless" aiming system. :grin::grin::grin:

I'll write it out if you promise not to be an antagonist in future CTE threads. It serves no purpose for you in any way shape or form. Deal?
Click to expand...

Look. I don't want to argue with you or anybody else about CTE. All your bickering and aggressive demeanor is very off putting to me and I suspect many who would otherwise take part. The technical aspects and philosphy of CTE has little to no interest to me anymore, I've said what I wanted to say. You can claim whatever you want, for all I care. There are plenty of people more qualified than me to comment on actual physical, real world claims, physicists, mathematicians, Dr's of engineering...I'll bow to their expertise on this matter. So far I don't see too much to refute my position.

But yes I find aiming methods interesting, both as an intellectual exercise, as well as physically testing them on the table.

If you don't want to tell me about that system, that's fine, but I'm not going to be making any "deals" with you or anybody else. I asked out of curiosity, as a fellow pool player. I am a curious person in all aspects of life. I guess I tend to forget to whom I'm talking sometimes.

I will post in any thread I damned well please! If I choose not to post on a topic, it's because I don't want to. Not because of your edicts. Why is it so important to YOU what I post or do not post? You have allready denounced all that are critical of your system and great leader as "nobodies", is that not enough for you? Must you also censor and silence them? I've never claimed to be anybody. Just a pool enthusiast, who is more interested in aiming systems and obscure pool games than maybe the average player.
Make your own "CTE'ers only" threads. I won't post in those. But you sure did post in English' thread when he explicitly asked you not to.

You have 5 or 6 CTE "enforcers" jumping all over anyone that posts anything remotely critical about your system and your tactics have succeeded in scaring off anyone wanting to discuss anything. Now there are maybe 20 people who ever post in the aiming forum, of whom maybe 15 are active posters on a regular basis. Whatever will you do when the 6 of you chase away the rest and get tired of agreeing with each other?

Tell you what, though: You should make a "by invitation only" CTE-sub forum right here on AzB. That way you'll never encounter another dissenting opinion ever again. Because that sort of environment is always positive for personal development and growth. If you do decide to do so, I'll pledge 20 dollars for badges or whatever you chose to wear to identify yourselves. And I wholeheartedly promise never to ask for an invitation.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top