Patrick Johnson said:
P.S. I'd also accept Dr. Dave as the judge. And we agree not to edit any of our posts about this bet from now until it's settled.
pj
chgo
Ron V aiming system video and diagrams
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P.S. I'd also accept Dr. Dave as the judge. And we agree not to edit any of our posts about this bet from now until it's settled.
pj
chgo
Patrick Johnson said:
Yeah that's nice--- none of your boys will judge. We'll pick someone neutral.
I mentioned if I can raise it - I might not, it's a lot of money. But I'll bet what I can get.
The base of my bridge pre-pivot = post pivot. That's the bet. I can't answer the rest until this is resolved.Colin Colenso said:
SpiderWebComm said:
I don't believe you have to raise 5K. You can bet any amount up to 5K. So commit to some lesser amount of your own cash, and get this thing settled - you are the one that pushed for a wager, and now you're called on it. Glad I'm not you!!
Sure, if it's someone who understands what I described. And you need to confirm that's what you're betting you'll do - what I described in my post #133. Frankly, anybody who understands it will tell you no test is needed, that it's impossible on its face and you should pay up.
I'm logging off for the night. If you come to your senses and post a suitably groveling apology before I post again I might let you off the hook. Make it good.
pj
chgo
Dave, thanks for posting the video. I think what's happened over the years is that you've developed your own in-the-air adjustable pivot. You pivot around different points along your cue. Not one point but many depending upon your innate sense of what the shot requires. Although your method works, I don't believe that Hal, Ron or Stan would agree with the statement you made about pivot systems not working if you pivot about the bridge. I think they believe that the bridge is where you pivot. It has to be unless you're doing an air pivot as you've suggested the pros do.
You have come up with some great adjustments that allow you to pocket balls without consciously thinking about aim. That's awesome. Your adjustments are probably so engrained that you don't realize you are making them, and perhaps don't know how to not make them.
You have come up with some great adjustments that allow you to pocket balls without consciously thinking about aim. That's awesome. Your adjustments are probably so engrained that you don't realize you are making them, and perhaps don't know how to not make them.
I hope no one is offended by this, but the explanations of how pivot systems pocket all balls keeps reminding me of this clip from South Park:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6620861820624110777&ei=oMTRSLDCPIm6rQLw_YC4Ag&q=south+park+gnomes+underpants&vt=lf&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6620861820624110777&ei=oMTRSLDCPIm6rQLw_YC4Ag&q=south+park+gnomes+underpants&vt=lf&hl=en
shankster8 said:
PM me what you want on the side.
I'm trying to get the entire $5g
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Patrick Johnson said:
My bridge doesn't move, it's not the pivot point. Let's meet up in Ohio.
bluepepper said:
Nope. No adjustment required. It's just a technique PJ isn't aware of. This will get resolved, no worries
In the air??? IM PIVOTING ON THE TABLE!
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I can shift my bridge point about one inch keeping the same base. That can amount to changing a shot aim by about 3 ball widths over a 59 inch shot.SpiderWebComm said:
I think you are making a bridge point shift to create an effective pivot point that is further down the cue, so as to mimic the air pivot that you use.
That's ok, but it's the explanation of it which is causing the confusion.
Cheers,
Colin
Colin Colenso said:
The explanation is clear, Colin. The bet is--- the bridge is the pivot point no what what type of pivot you do...according to PJ. That means, at the same distance, we trace where my bridge is and then we'll rotate the cue on that axis until center ball so the crowd can see we're missing completely. Then I'll miss the ball for a base-line. We will then replace the balls exactly as they were and I'll replace my bridge EXACTLY as it was, and i'll pivot to center (a new center) and make the ball in front of everyone and leave with mouth's cash. It's a new center because the pivot point changes.
It's going to be a strange place without know-it-all around. I'll post my cash bet tomorrow when I see what I can round up.
Technically, I dont even HAVE to make the ball-- just hit it--- to prove the pivot point changed. I'm gonna have a cigarette in my mouth when i do it.
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bluepepper said:
Of course...the bridge is NOT the pivot point. I didn't mind typing that in Colins post since PJ made a big COPIED THREAD for the record of the bet. It's too late. The movement is SO SLIGHT, you'd never see it unless your eyes were RIGHT on it because of a $5k bet. Once some of you get a little more acclimated with pivot systems, you're learn there are multiple "centers" of the CB from a single bridge point due to changing the functional pivot point.
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bluepepper said:
Bridge never moves.. that's the bet. Bridge never moved in the video either. The bet is the bridge hand never moves and the bridge doesn't have to be the pivot point. That's the bet. Watch my video about 10x. You'll see it.
bluepepper said:
lmao cheat? The cue moves in my bridge, but it is a conventional resting point. You're mis-reading the parameters of the bet, bluepepper. Cheat? There's no such thing. Either you're within the parameters of the bet or you're not. My bridge is tight, I'm not doing anything funny. Like I said, the movement is SOOOO slight in my bridge it's nearly invisible. There has to be some movement, of course, since the bridge isn't the pivot point (my argument in the first place)--- you understand that, right Blue? That's the basis of the bet.
There's gonna be a bet, there won't be apologies to me or from him, and we're gonna see "somebody" go bye-bye.
SpiderWebComm said:
The center of the CB is a point. There is only one line from any single fixed bridge point to this point.
Finding multiple lines to center from a fixed point would get you a nobel prize.
I doubt this will be settled to anyone's mutual satisfaction. Shoot the vid and you'll see the bridge pivot point moves laterally (even if the base doesn't) and then it will become a matter of arguing over definitions of what the bet actually was.
Colin