Ronnie Alcano Charged With Rape...

yup sprite thinks its a big deal that Alcano was issued a TEMPORARY PROTECTION ORDER as requested by his former wife. It doesnt mean that he is already guilty. It's the right of the complainant to request something like that until the case is resolved. BTW based on the news report it's just a 30 DAY TEMPORARY PROTECTION ORDER ;)
 
crosseyedjoe said:
I think this thread should be closed.

I agree with you - I don't have the patience to read all of the posts, but here is my two cents nonetheless - whether this is true or not, it is of no business of ours to be involved or to judge. The one thing that I hate about forums is that people find it necessary to throw out personal information about professional players, such as their intimate relationships, health, etc. (same goes for regular celebrities)

I have worked in legal for many years and have seen some nasty divorce happenings - people are very vindictive when they get their heart smashed - unfortunately, the children are the first thing to be tossed around by the parents as a way to get back at the spouse. Either way, this child is in a terrible position - if it happened, she is scared for life from an assault and if it didn't, just think of the mental turmoil she is having to endure with this mother - this is terrible.
 
people are accused everyday and sometimes they deserve it, others times its out of spite or for money. Philippines is a 3rd world country after all, and why didnt these charges come out earlier?

this is really a matter between higher powers. who can know for sure what happened.
 
This is the absolute worst !

9 Ball Girl said:
...by his own Daughter! :eek:

Billiards champ’s kid files molestation raps
By Jaime Pilapil

THE 14-year-old daughter of billiard champion Ronato Alcano yesterday formally filed rape charges against her father before the Quezon City Prosecutor’s Office.

The victim, a resident of Legaspi Village, Makati City, accused Alcano of violating Republic Act 7610, or the Anti-Child Abuse Law, and Republic Act 9262, or Anti-Violence against Women and their Children Act.

In a six-page complaint-affidavit, the daughter alleged that the sexual assaults took place last Nov. 24 and 25 and sometime in December right in the house of the suspect at 96 Oxford St., Cubao, Quezon City.

The girl recalled that the first incident took place in the house of Alcano’s third live-in partner, a certain Gwendolyn, in Makati City.

She said Gwendolyn was not in the house when she was sexually molested on Nov. 24. Then it was followed the next day before her father appeared in a television interview.

After the incident in December, the girl said she narrated her ordeal to her mother who was working in Dubai but decided to return to the Philippines last Jan. 4 to accompany her daughter in filing a complaint at Camp Crame’s Child Protection Center.

Included in the sworn statement were the birth certificate of the victim, the marriage contract and the medical certificate showing that the girl was molested. Alcano and his wife have been living separately since the girl was born.


http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=police4_mar28_2007[/QUOTE

How could you do that?!? and to your own daughter OMG! I have a 14 year old and I would never ever even imagine that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone needs to cut his dick off and **** him with it !! Teach him a lesson. Sorry Az .Sorry Mods for the profanity but I could'nt help but to think of my own daughter.
 
Walt Frazier said:
How could you do that?!? and to your own daughter OMG! I have a 14 year old and I would never ever even imagine that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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And just who appointed you jury and judge. You have absolutely no idea if there is any truth to this accusation. Chances are that it is just a vindictive attempt to extort money. I unnderstand that attempts to discredit like this are quite common in the Phillipines.:(
 
Russ Chewning said:
OMG Neil, cuetechasaurus, and Shooting Arts!!!

People on here have called ME sanctimonious and judgemental????

And for the person who held up the bible as justification for hating homosexuals... The bible also mentioned that God told the Jews to go out and slaughter whole other civilizations because God wanted the Jews to have their land, too.

That's the convenient thing about the bible. It can be used to justify all sorts of horrific behavior. You just have to pick and choose the verses you need to justify your behavior.

In the Army, recruits are taught how to deal with conflicting orders. They are told, obey the LAST order you are given, even if it conflicts with a previous order.

Now, I am pretty sure the last order Christians were given in the bible, in so many words, was to shut your mouths and let God do the judging, thank you very much.

OMG am I lucky I wasn't aware of what you "hate mongers" were preaching in this thread. I probably would have had a heart attack!

Russ

IIRC, Marissa had an avatar that showed two guys playing tongue twister with each other. It wasn't work safe, and I asked her if she could change it. After that she started saying how much of a perfect Christian she was, and I reminded her of how she loved to openly talk about her being bisexual (I felt it was obvious she just wanted to make men drool about her). She was too conflicting, and I felt the need to point that out to her.
 
Sprite said:

Congratulations Sprite..........Brilliant ! You post news of the 30 day TPO against Ronnie 3 months after it was issued and 2 months after it had already expired with no accompanying comments whatsoever nor any attempt to follow up what may have happened since and no reference to the fact that a TPO in Phillipines is exactly that.....a temporary protection order issued as a precaution until the facts are established, with no bearing whatsoever on whether the allegations are true or untrue.

Your post at this time is either attention seeking pot stirring or ignorance, or both.

Ronnie.....if this is a completely false allegation which I wholeheartedly hope and believe it is, good luck in the case.

Mike
 
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Is it safe to say that anyone who thinks Ronnie is innocent just because he is a national hero & pool champion is a frigging idiot? I hope I don't make anyone cry with my rough and salty namecalling, I don't wanna get banned lol =)

(Sorry joey, but it just made me laugh that a tough guy like you is gonna call for a ban hammer over "perverted pigs"... I know such a thing doesn't faze you in the least. I respect you for always keeping an even keel and never resorting to namecalling ...but you gotta be used to seeing minor stuff like that on internet forums. Somehow I think if it a friend of yours were making a similar statement about, say... marissa, you wouldn't be calling for capital punishment)
:) :) :)

On the subject of marissa... I missed the super offensive kissing dudes avatar, but I think anyone who gets on the internet has to brace themselves for a helluva lot worse. If you're worried about your kids seeing some 2 inch pic of two dudes necking then you probably need to get them offline entirely until they're ready for tubgirl, goatse and lemonparty too. And if you're worried about it not being safe for work... lol, it's not safe to get caught slacking off reading pool sites when you should be working.

Personally I don't care whether someone wants to screw males or females, but on the other hand I think when you know you may provoke an angry reaction with your avatar and you put it up anyway, you're guilty at least of some form of trolling or attention whoring... Well, that's pretty harsh, it could be she was hoping seeing something like that will remind people about gay/lesbian/whatever issues... maybe even change how they look at it and broaden their horizons. Or maybe she mistook this for a young, liberal and artsy forum where such an avatar is seen as edgy or even classy (lol?!). Either way seems pretty naive. Anyway I'm glad she realized this isn't the place to push the issue and changed it, and kudos to everyone who acknowledges that it's just as trashy to have tasteless avatars with females.

On the subject of "not the place to push issues", I wish people would try a little harder not to drag god, the bible, homosexuality, or other hot topics into a thread that isn't built for such arguments. I'm not saying "don't talk about those things", just don't derail threads with touchy subjects because they're guaranteed to start long flame wars and completely ruin the discussion.

Oh, what the hell were we discussing? Oh, right, alcano. I dunno if he's guilty or not, but so far I don't see any earthshattering evidence in either direction. Certainly random stories like "I know this person and they were a victim of golddigging" or "I know this person and they were a victim of rape" doesn't really prove or disprove anything. It could be the work of a gold digger, but I don't see anything heavily pointing in that direction. I don't see any punitive damages or lawsuit money yet. I also think that a typical girl absolutely does NOT want to be known as someone who was (more or less) raped, not even for a (not-so-great) chance at a lot of money... though possibly an impressionable 14 year old might be steered into such a scheme by a parent.

I don't see it as especially meaningful that the charges were changed and that the girl wasn't penetrated. A person doesn't have to have a broken hymen to have been molested. I don't see the timing as meaningful either. Lots of women have trouble coming forward about this stuff and don't report it until later. Maybe they waited until alcano's rich and famous because it really bothers them that they're seeing someone they know is a dirtbag suddenly getting all this love and respect from the media. The fact that he's on top of the world doesn't make him less likely to molest someone. By that logic, if someone gets very down and broke they'd more likely to molest?! As ccn7 pointed out, lots of people seem to have a nasty urge to touch kids. Hell, it's arguable people are MORE likely to try stuff they know is immoral and illegal when they're riding high and have lots of wealth... because they may feel a little more invincible. See OJ, jacko, kobe, and a bunch of NFL guys.

I realize I sound like I've already condemned the guy, and maybe that's just as bad as automatically assuming he's innocent just cuz he runs racks in his sleep. But I think ccn had the right of it... false accusations are probably rare, or at least less likely than the alternative. If anyone's really convinced it's golddigging based on just what you've read, ask yourself how many times something like this has happened to efren reyes or any other filipino champion?
 
CreeDo said:
Is it safe to say that anyone who thinks Ronnie is innocent just because he is a national hero & pool champion is a frigging idiot? I hope I don't make anyone cry with my rough and salty namecalling, I don't wanna get banned lol =)

(Sorry joey, but it just made me laugh that a tough guy like you is gonna call for a ban hammer over "perverted pigs"... I know such a thing doesn't faze you in the least. I respect you for always keeping an even keel and never resorting to namecalling ...but you gotta be used to seeing minor stuff like that on internet forums. Somehow I think if it a friend of yours were making a similar statement about, say... marissa, you wouldn't be calling for capital punishment)
:) :) :)

On the subject of marissa... I missed the super offensive kissing dudes avatar, but I think anyone who gets on the internet has to brace themselves for a helluva lot worse. If you're worried about your kids seeing some 2 inch pic of two dudes necking then you probably need to get them offline entirely until they're ready for tubgirl, goatse and lemonparty too. And if you're worried about it not being safe for work... lol, it's not safe to get caught slacking off reading pool sites when you should be working.

Personally I don't care whether someone wants to screw males or females, but on the other hand I think when you know you may provoke an angry reaction with your avatar and you put it up anyway, you're guilty at least of some form of trolling or attention whoring... Well, that's pretty harsh, it could be she was hoping seeing something like that will remind people about gay/lesbian/whatever issues... maybe even change how they look at it and broaden their horizons. Or maybe she mistook this for a young, liberal and artsy forum where such an avatar is seen as edgy or even classy (lol?!). Either way seems pretty naive. Anyway I'm glad she realized this isn't the place to push the issue and changed it, and kudos to everyone who acknowledges that it's just as trashy to have tasteless avatars with females.

On the subject of "not the place to push issues", I wish people would try a little harder not to drag god, the bible, homosexuality, or other hot topics into a thread that isn't built for such arguments. I'm not saying "don't talk about those things", just don't derail threads with touchy subjects because they're guaranteed to start long flame wars and completely ruin the discussion.

Oh, what the hell were we discussing? Oh, right, alcano. I dunno if he's guilty or not, but so far I don't see any earthshattering evidence in either direction. Certainly random stories like "I know this person and they were a victim of golddigging" or "I know this person and they were a victim of rape" doesn't really prove or disprove anything. It could be the work of a gold digger, but I don't see anything heavily pointing in that direction. I don't see any punitive damages or lawsuit money yet. I also think that a typical girl absolutely does NOT want to be known as someone who was (more or less) raped, not even for a (not-so-great) chance at a lot of money... though possibly an impressionable 14 year old might be steered into such a scheme by a parent.

I don't see it as especially meaningful that the charges were changed and that the girl wasn't penetrated. A person doesn't have to have a broken hymen to have been molested. I don't see the timing as meaningful either. Lots of women have trouble coming forward about this stuff and don't report it until later. Maybe they waited until alcano's rich and famous because it really bothers them that they're seeing someone they know is a dirtbag suddenly getting all this love and respect from the media. The fact that he's on top of the world doesn't make him less likely to molest someone. By that logic, if someone gets very down and broke they'd more likely to molest?! As ccn7 pointed out, lots of people seem to have a nasty urge to touch kids. Hell, it's arguable people are MORE likely to try stuff they know is immoral and illegal when they're riding high and have lots of wealth... because they may feel a little more invincible. See OJ, jacko, kobe, and a bunch of NFL guys.

I realize I sound like I've already condemned the guy, and maybe that's just as bad as automatically assuming he's innocent just cuz he runs racks in his sleep. But I think ccn had the right of it... false accusations are probably rare, or at least less likely than the alternative. If anyone's really convinced it's golddigging based on just what you've read, ask yourself how many times something like this has happened to efren reyes or any other filipino champion?

great analysis Creedo. anyway, accusations whether true or false are both damaging. I despise false accusers as much as molesters. in the O.J. case, it is quite obvious that the guy worked his way out of jail and clearly was guilty of a crime, if not for weak prosecutors that handled the case poorly. on the Jacko case, it's a case of both probably a real child molester and a case of money extortion, both are guilty parties so to speak.

as a legal study, those two things that you have mentioned, the retracted statements and timing can tell a lot from it. most cases that have retracted statements were proven to be made up. most especially from serious cases to lighter ones. and these are prevalent statistics.

about your argument, the gold-digging motive is a case to case basis and not a universal one. the theory of a gold-digging motive is based on the available merits of the case. nobody accused the girl and the mother of gold-digging immediately or simply by pointing fingers. they were accused when the retraction of their statements occured and also was known that the girl was asking Alcano's manager for some credit , about 10k dollars (IIRC). and also the mother is not in good terms with Ronnie, since both are known to be separated. these little things that question a person's integrity can make a lot of difference in a case. if we question Alcano's integrity, then it is just fair to question the accusers' as well. in my evaluation, because of the existing circumstances, it's more likely that Ronnie has the upperhand, when it comes to weight of statements and evidences.

anyway, if he is proven guilty of it. I would then say that "he sucks" !!! :D
 
dag, I didn't realize I'd written so much until you quoted it :P

I think I'm a bit more persuaded towards the golddigger theory after hearing some of that stuff.

Just to be clear, the girl (14) was asking alcano's manager for 10,000 bucks? As a loan? For what? Or are you talking about afterwards, claiming she should be paid for what she went through.

As for the mom not being on good terms... I dunno, that's so common that I can hardly give it any weight. You've probably heard about over half of marriages ending in divorce. There are lots and lots of women unhappy with their men, but you don't see lots and lots of false accusations as a result. She's also pretty likely to be unhappy with a child molester if that's the kind of guy he is and she somehow sensed it.

re: hating false accusers as much as child molesters... I think you're way off base there. We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one =/ If someone truly put up the choice to you between getting raped and having someone tell vicious lies about you, I'd be pretty shocked if you didn't go with the latter.
 
CreeDo said:
dag, I didn't realize I'd written so much until you quoted it :P

I think I'm a bit more persuaded towards the golddigger theory after hearing some of that stuff.

Just to be clear, the girl (14) was asking alcano's manager for 10,000 bucks? As a loan? For what? Or are you talking about afterwards, claiming she should be paid for what she went through.

As for the mom not being on good terms... I dunno, that's so common that I can hardly give it any weight. You've probably heard about over half of marriages ending in divorce. There are lots and lots of women unhappy with their men, but you don't see lots and lots of false accusations as a result. She's also pretty likely to be unhappy with a child molester if that's the kind of guy he is and she somehow sensed it.

re: hating false accusers as much as child molesters... I think you're way off base there. We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one =/ If someone truly put up the choice to you between getting raped and having someone tell vicious lies about you, I'd be pretty shocked if you didn't go with the latter.

LoL ! Don't get shocked Creedo. for you, it seems that a spreading vicious lies seem to be acceptable. well, that is your opinion. but for me, as a former legal study, I know what's at stake here. the honor of the accused and the honor of the accuser. I would not say that a person getting raped gets more bearing than an innocent person accused of rape. both are treated equally. you would not say that it's not a big deal for an innocent person to be accused of a crime, not until you're the one who's been accused. the dilemma of being branded as a rapist before a judgement by the court has been passed is burden enough for a person to handle. psychology-wise, you wouldn't expect an innocent person to still be cool about it or treat the matter as no big deal when he's in public, when all the people looks at him and chances some people will say, " that's the pool player who raped his daughter". it's not a laughing matter. I didn't say I'm Pro-rapist or anything like that, lol! what I'm sayin is both have burdens to carry.

As for your question, the girl asked for a loan before the complaint was filed a month or so before it was made public. according to a particular excerpt, the daughter had already asked previously from Ronnie, a hefty amount of money which was already given to her, for purpose of I don't recall exactly. what I remember was the amount was too much or outrageous for that particular purpose. so you see, seems like the girl is milking some money. it's not the first time I heard of this kind of modus operandi, so it made me a bit suspicious of the motive. :rolleyes:
 
I agree

I knew a man who was prosecuted for two separate murders some years apart. He killed at least two people and did time in one of the toughest prisons in the nation for one killing. None of this did nearly the damage that happened to another friend falsely accused of rape by his thirteen year old stepdaughter. Aside from the destruction of his family, his health and reputation were ruined forever. You are never quite free of accusations like these once they are made.

He was totally cleared by the head shrinker that he and the girl both had to see twice a week for six months along with family counseling and of course many restrictions on his activities. It doesn't matter. He was a fairly high ranking local government employee and his career is gone, his friends are gone, his trust of anyone is gone. Of course many who rushed to judgment still insist that he must be at least somewhat guilty, far easier to claim that than admit that they were guilty of a rush to judgment of an innocent man. This happened over twenty years ago and he never recovered from it.

Someone who makes false accusations of the crime isn't quite as heinous as someone who abuses someone but they aren't all that far from it. Either way, someone is scarred and burdened for life.

Hu



Hail Mary Shot said:
LoL ! Don't get shocked Creedo. for you, it seems that a spreading vicious lies seem to be acceptable. well, that is your opinion. but for me, as a former legal study, I know what's at stake here. the honor of the accused and the honor of the accuser. I would not say that a person getting raped gets more bearing than an innocent person accused of rape. both are treated equally. you would not say that it's not a big deal for an innocent person to be accused of a crime, not until you're the one who's been accused. the dilemma of being branded as a rapist before a judgement by the court has been passed is burden enough for a person to handle. psychology-wise, you wouldn't expect an innocent person to still be cool about it or treat the matter as no big deal when he's in public, when all the people looks at him and chances some people will say, " that's the pool player who raped his daughter". it's not a laughing matter. I didn't say I'm Pro-rapist or anything like that, lol! what I'm sayin is both have burdens to carry.

As for your question, the girl asked for a loan before the complaint was filed a month or so before it was made public. according to a particular excerpt, the daughter had already asked previously from Ronnie, a hefty amount of money which was already given to her, for purpose of I don't recall exactly. what I remember was the amount was too much or outrageous for that particular purpose. so you see, seems like the girl is milking some money. it's not the first time I heard of this kind of modus operandi, so it made me a bit suspicious of the motive. :rolleyes:
 
> Like I said in this thread back about 4-5 pages ago,either prove she is lying and send her to prison,or prove he did it and hang him,anything else is useless. Tommy D.
 
for you, it seems that a spreading vicious lies seem to be acceptable.

lol, that was a shitty thing to say! I never said such a thing or even hinted at it. Both rape and spreading vicious lies are unacceptible. I just think one is worse than the other. I think rape is worse. Like the false accusations, the effects can last a long time, it doesn't just end five minutes after the rapist walks out. It can leave a person living terrified, and ruin their self esteem, and ruin their ability to have good relationships with men, ruin their ability to enjoy sex, it can leave a person depressed and emotionally scarred... to say nothing of whatever happened to them physically. I haven't been there but I know someone who has been and I know it changed her.

I'm just saying if you put a gun to my head and say "pick one: getting raped or getting falsely accused" I'd go with falsely accused. Maybe I'd regret that choice sometime later, I dunno =/ Thankfully I don't have to make it...

About the money: maybe she is just spoiled and expected like 10,000 dollars, and decided to punish him for not giving it. But it seems odd, I don't know any 14 year olds who are so dead set on having thousands of dollars that they will ruin their own father's life if they don't get it. She would have to hate her father really badly to do such a thing. You'd expect a dad with some money would be able to keep a teenager pretty happy anyway. I'd like to know what she was asking for... a car maybe?
 
CreeDo said:
Is it safe to say that anyone who thinks Ronnie is innocent just because he is a national hero & pool champion is a frigging idiot? I hope I don't make anyone cry with my rough and salty namecalling......

Would have thought it's very safe to say that and the chances of making anyone who uses these forums cry over name calling are pretty remote.

However, more to the point.....what motivated you to bring that up in the first place? Is there anyone in particular whose contributions to this thread lead you to think that they believe Ronnie "is innocent just because he is a national hero & pool champion" ?:confused:

If yes...who?......and how did you reach the conclusion that they believe in his innocence solely for that reason?

If no....why did you bring it up in the first place?
 
hmmm..

I am a Filipino. Just to let you all know, my country is the type that money is EVERYTHING!!! it can run and ruin somebody's life easily and it wont matter if the person is innocent or not.

None of us can really tell if it's true. I would not ever call Ronnie Alcano a National Hero not of course for winning one or two world title on pool history. Efren and Parica I might consider due to what they have brought on all Filipinos. This is not a downrade to any of my countrymen but, it's reality and I accept it.

Take this as a number of negative setback of our own;
1st: We (Filipino's) have most of our Goverment officials that are use to be just an actors and actresses and people voted them just because people thought that what they portray in movies are true.

2nd: Drugs is almost legal in the country.

3rd: Unforeseen Corruption ad extortion that has been there for Centuries.

And a whole lot of crazy people.....And if ever you have something negative to say about this and it happens to be that you're a filipino like me, just tell me where you live. I dont disgrace my nationality! just the personality of my country at the moment. Maybe it will be better soon but, who know's almost anywhere is the same sometimes worst. And for Alcano, I dont know if I disgrace him but, not just yet till its proben.

Filipino rocks on pool though!!
 
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NO ROSE TINTED GLASSES FOR m.libre10

m.libre10 said:
I am a Filipino. Just to let you all know, my country is the type that money is EVERYTHING!!! it can run and ruin somebody's life easily and it wont matter if the person is innocent or not.

Filipino rocks on pool though!!

And YOU ROCK. Your candor is appreciated.

Your nationality could just as well been American based upon your three points. One of our most popular presidents, Ronald Reagan was an actor. One of the most popular governors of all time in California (Arnold Schwartzeneger.

Prescription drugs of your choice are available from many doctors all over the U.S. Non-prescription drugs can be purchased from the street corner of practically any inner-city street corner or suburb.

Our corruption is like a boil. It is sitting there infecting our government, our social environment, our religious communities and from time to time comes to a head and spews its awful truth. Our corruption is everywhere but it is masked by the perpetrators who find loop holes in the law to steal. The government contracts that have been let here in Louisiana would boggle the minds of everyday Americans. The guy actually doing the work gets very little of the money. The large companies siphon off the money as if it belonged to them leaving very little for actual reparation. A few getting richer, life getting a little more tolerable. Our medical care while they claim it is second to none is bankrupting many of our older citizens, with the health care professionals sucking the elderly's life-savings faster than Paris Hilton getting out of jail. The doctors provide very little personal service and instead subtitute nurses and the like to question an answer the patients questions. The insurance companies (health providers) as they are called, ostracize those with physical infirmities by raising their health insurance premiums to unaffordable levels until the insured goes shopping somewhere else only to find less of a product for higher health insurance premiums. The patients resort to purchasing name brand drugs from their neighboring countries )remembering the free trade agreements) and are branded as criminals by the U.S. Drug companies who pad the pockets of our law makers ALL WITHIN the letter of our great laws. :(
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So you see m.libre10, we are not so much different. :)

USA POOL ROCKS!

Go Shane, Go! Run Shane, run. See Shane run those balls!

OLATHE, OLATHE WHEREFORE ART THOU? :D :D

JoeyA
 
Mikey: hrm, I realize now it sounds like I was talking about a forum poster when really I was talking about the official bcsa press release which someone pasted here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=668456&postcount=13

The posters in the thread seem to be keeping an open mind to both possibilities (not so much in other areas =/ ). Anyway, my bad if I gave the impression I was after someone in particular. I think the BCSA is guilty of hero worship based on the way they're wording that press release.
 
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