Ronnie Alcano's classless move !

houmatroy

houmatroy

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I know my opinion might be bias since I was Betting on Johnny Archer..just wanted to see who else that was watching match had the same thought..I mean come on it's rack your own and Ronnie comes over there and rakes the balls when Johnny was trying to rack 1st game...There should have had some kinda consiqenses against Ronnie by the powers to be...It was an obvious move to get in the head of Johnny and apparently it worked cuz it was 1st match that i saw Johnny shoot where he was completely out his element..even the games Johnny won u could tell he kept looking and talking to Ronnie after he racked..not sure if Ronnie would be ok with rack.and it fell down into his play...Johnny was real indecisive & was really off his game & i'm 85% sure it was because of the move Ronnie made..Johnny showed alot of class by not once checking Ronnie's racks but it also probally cost him the tournement...the 1st set for sure which was the tournement...I just think in rack your own when Ronnie blatently racked the balls of his opponent like that when he shouldnt have put his hands on balls period...should have resulted in some type of foul against Alcano..JMO..wanted to hear others views..thx..Troy
 
houmatroy said:
I know my opinion might be bias since I was Betting on Johnny Archer..just wanted to see who else that was watching match had the same thought..I mean come on it's rack your own and Ronnie comes over there and rakes the balls when Johnny was trying to rack 1st game...There should have had some kinda consiqenses against Ronnie by the powers to be...It was an obvious move to get in the head of Johnny and apparently it worked cuz it was 1st match that i saw Johnny shoot where he was completely out his element..even the games Johnny won u could tell he kept looking and talking to Ronnie after he racked..not sure if Ronnie would be ok with rack.and it fell down into his play...Johnny was real indecisive & was really off his game & i'm 85% sure it was because of the move Ronnie made..Johnny showed alot of class by not once checking Ronnie's racks but it also probally cost him the tournement...the 1st set for sure which was the tournement...I just think in rack your own when Ronnie blatently racked the balls of his opponent like that when he shouldnt have put his hands on balls period...should have resulted in some type of foul against Alcano..JMO..wanted to hear others views..thx..Troy
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I was there in person when this happened. Apparently the spot was separating from the cloth because some time was spent pushing it back down. Johnie spent at least 7 minutes trying to rack the balls and couldn't get it done. When Ronnie walked up Archer stepped aside without protest. Some words were said to Ronnie by the official and there was allot of conversation between all three regarding the rack.

IMO this was not a sharking move. I don't think Ronnie meant any harm. Archer seamed indecisive and out of his element before this match. The first rack against Gomez went on forever. I would say the first rack lasted at least 25 minutes.

I don't know, I am no mind reader.
 
I think that is a pretty shallow reason considering that Johnny has been a pro for a long time and would just simply succumb to a simple racking argument. if you consider it as a blatant sharking, that's pathetic. if I were in that situation, I wouldn't mind my opponent racking up the balls or re-rack it myself. they didn't start the match yet nor did Johnny made the first attempt to shoot the ball on the table, it was a simple racking. from an amateur's point of view, I don't see or even consider it as a distraction nor deliberate sharking. besides, Johnny had his chances and was able to tie the game at 4 a piece. he lost because Alcano just played better.
 
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Hail Mary Shot said:
I think that is a pretty shallow reason considering that Johnny has been a pro for a long time and would just simply succumb to a simple racking argument. if you consider it as a blatant sharking, that's pathetic. if I were in that situation, I wouldn't mind my opponent racking up the balls or re-rack it myself. they didn't start the match yet nor did Johnny made the first attempt to shoot the ball on the table, it was a simple racking. from an amateur's point of view, I don't see or even consider it as a distraction nor deliberate sharking. besides, Johnny had his chances and was able to tie the game at 4 a piece. he lost because Alcano just played better.
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U r entitled to ur opinion..If he would have just ask to try n rack himself..but the blatent rack of the balls was uncalled for & it obviously messed with Johnny's mindset..If it would have beenmy ida hawked his racks n put it back on him 3 fold but Johnny had more composure not to play even further into Alcano's games.
 
BlowFish said:
Stop whinning... Archer lost, Alcano won... Move on to the next game.

This is a classless post. ;)
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Get off Ronnies ball sak will ya...i see u from hong kong..no wonder...It was move & he used it to his advantage..so with that u right about moving on..hard to get blind people to see tho...He did play good and probally would have won outright but it was a piece of chit move no matter how u look at it Jr.
 
I also was there in person. It looked like Alcano was putting a lot of emphasis on something that really didn't matter in the long run. When Johnny broke that rack, he didn't make a ball. If Alcano's main goal was for this to happen....it worked.

None the less, Archer wasn't (I don't think), out of his element. I watched him break and run out three racks in a row right before the match. He had perfect shape every time. He was just having issues with pocketing balls on the break. Alcano had him beat on the power of his break by about 2 mph, almost the entire match. This may have had something to do with it.

I still like how Alcano had to take a break halfway in to go vomit in a paper bin, lol. That was classic... :)
 
LPHooper03 said:
I also was there in person. It looked like Alcano was putting a lot of emphasis on something that really didn't matter in the long run. When Johnny broke that rack, he didn't make a ball. If Alcano's main goal was for this to happen....it worked.

None the less, Archer wasn't (I don't think), out of his element. I watched him break and run out three racks in a row right before the match. He had perfect shape every time. He was just having issues with pocketing balls on the break. Alcano had him beat on the power of his break by about 2 mph, almost the entire match. This may have had something to do with it.

I still like how Alcano had to take a break halfway in to go vomit in a paper bin, lol. That was classic... :)
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Thx for your post since you was there live...from the live stream it looked like it was a way out of line move..sorta like a poke in the chest..like it will be this way or else thing...sounds like it might have been a lil different in person..but still on rack your own..a player is not suppose to rack thier opponents balls..but that's just me.
 
On the stream it looked like a straight up move...sounds like in person they were just trying to fix the spot...maybe JA will weigh in on it at some point. I didnt like it, JA is still a champion and some big table 8 ball is a tough tough game for those guys who are capable of running out anything. Lots of heat on you in a match like this. Congrats to Ronnie, but he still pulled a move.
 
Yea, when we were watching it I was like, WTF is Alcano doing? I figured as long as the balls weren't in front of the spot, he could rack them however the hell he wanted to. Frozen or not...After all, it is your own break, so you aren't going to shit rack yourself.
 
LPHooper03 said:
None the less, Archer wasn't (I don't think), out of his element. I watched him break and run out three racks in a row right before the match. He had perfect shape every time. :)
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I missed Archers match with Alcano, how many racks did he run during it.
 
I did a double take myself!

TheConArtist said:
I just shook my head, esp when he started to rack it for Johnny himself
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I did a double take myself! Did I just see that? I found it confusing that the referee and Johnny both put up with Ronnie's apparent interference. I think this may be a time when the camera didn't catch the whole story. Far from objecting, Ronnie getting involved seemed to suit Johnny and the ref just fine.

It was a close match and both players gave the other plenty of opportunity. I don't think that this happening before the match ever started and no further intervention by Ronnie can be said to determine the outcome of the match. This was the end of a long week for the players and we saw some unusual errors from all of them. The accu-stats numbers weren't impressive at all in this match.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
I did a double take myself! Did I just see that? I found it confusing that the referee and Johnny both put up with Ronnie's apparent interference. I think this may be a time when the camera didn't catch the whole story. Far from objecting, Ronnie getting involved seemed to suit Johnny and the ref just fine.

It was a close match and both players gave the other plenty of opportunity. I don't think that this happening before the match ever started and no further intervention by Ronnie can be said to determine the outcome of the match. This was the end of a long week for the players and we saw some unusual errors from all of them. The accu-stats numbers weren't impressive at all in this match.

Hu
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What about RA glove?
 
I did not see the match, but to my understanding with the posts Alcano helped/interfere/guide whatever with the ball racking at the start of the match and never during the match. SO whats wrong with that? The referee should have said something if she sees something wrong, should she? Or Alcano must have got the nod from both the ref and Archer himself before Alcano helped with racking. We don't know. Knowing Alcano from his tournament play record, he will not resort to any sharking. My opinion.
 
Troy with your post, you assume a few things right off.

1. JA is a push over and would let another player bully him......NOT A CHANCE! the guy is a multi time world champ, triple smart player, and long time road dog.....come on, really?.

2. The ref, and or tourny director didn't have control of the match.....didn't look that way to me, and I heard no other issues with match problems during the week. BTW in the players meeting they said the opponent could inspect the rack, AND the match didn't start yet.

3. RA is some kind of bully, or needed to cheat in some fashion to win.......again....NOT, and thats a pretty strong accusation from you. I have never heard of any antics by RA.

4. The audience was stupid.......I'm sure JA had as many fans AND Pro fans sitting near by as RA.....if there was an issue IMO someone would have chimed in.

I rarely get into the sh*t here, but your post sounds like you lost a bet and are looking for a little revenge by smearing the name of a World Champ.

G.
 
lol @ the thought of Johnny getting sharked by someone checking his rack. I'm quite certain this is not the first time someone has checked one of Johnny's racks and I'm quite certain it will not be the last.
 
I will add my .02. I wasn't there, but will say this, 99% of people who complain about their opponents rack, in a rack your own game, ARE pulling a move.

A player is supposed to sit quietly in their chair until it's their turn.

What I suspect happened is that after JA had trouble with the spot, and RA chimed in, J. must have said something like "if you can do better, help yourself". Noway JA gets bullied in that situation. Regardless, though, still a move on RA's part.

That being said, JA has been around a long time. Stuff like that shouldn't affect his game. If it did, JA has only himself to blame, IMO.

Rg
 
I only watched it on the internet like most but it seems I watched something completely different from what Houmatroy saw.

Ronnie did not just walk up and randomly rake the balls like Houmatroy implied. It was pretty clear that all three of them were assessing the problem JA was having with getting the rack tight and the 1 ball motionless.

With no apparent objection from JA or the referee Ronnie then moved all the balls out of the way with the deliberate specific exception of the 1 ball which he then tried to place on the spot apparently to see if it would remain centred on the spot without toppling a little when there were no other touching balls around to influence it.

If this was a "move" it's one of the friendliest and strangest ones I've ever seen and there are far better ways he could have sharked had that been his intention.
 
Well I just watched this , and it's a little bit odd but in my mind I think Ronnie just noticed the rack looked a little funny and went over and told Johnny about it .

You've got to take in mind how much play has been on the Tv Table and with all the racks and breaks that have been on it , the spot is going to have a dimple in it and it may have been difficult to rack them tight or in line .

Like it said it's a little bit odd but that's how life is sometimes... ODD .:wink:
 
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