Rosewood cue antique

[sharandrew]

I would like to ID this cue..background ...when I was about twelve (1964) is the first time i saw the cue in my fathers closet. My father told me he bought it from a professional pool player who needed money. Don't know how long he had it.
My reasearch to this point leads me to believe it was made before 1960 by Hiolle billiards but many other antique cues from other companys also had carved rosewood bottleneck cues, with changible weights, bottleneck taper someone thought it was an very old brunswick cue who knows please!!

 

[cueball1950]

Please post a picture of the cue as i can't get to the site the picture is on.................mike

 

[Pizza Bob]

Hiolle

Need a picture, but maybe this help in the meantime....

http://users.skynet.be/billard.billiards/hiolle.htm

Adios,

Pizza Bob

 

[sharandrew]

wow pictures comes up when i open page up??????

 

[sharandrew]

Pics are there now so tell away what is this cue

 

[sharandrew]

Lots of people looking at this cue but no ideas????hmm huh

 

[Black-Balled]

I see the pics too. Know nothing about the cue, sorry.

Are you trying to sell it? Case look pretty valuable, but I am no expert on antique doodads.

 

[pawnmon]

bottleneck cue

This is a design that was popular in France and Belgium many years ago, mostly for biliards (not pool). There have been a couple for sale on ebay in the past year. One just recently sold for $36.00 plus shipping. It is very unlikely that this is a Brunswick. The company you mention in your post is one of the many european companies that made this shape cue. Piza Bob sent you a great catalog to look at.

As far as value is concerned, I haven't seen any of those type cues go for much over $200.00 although I'm sure there are collectors out there for these things.

 

[ajrack]

I have seen many cues over the years...the part I like to see to get a good view is the joint...shaft opening and the butt screw...very important to judge who made the cue....the over all look is also important.
not sure about this one but I used to have one of those cases.

 

[jay helfert]

I would like to ID this cue..background ...when I was about twelve (1964) is the first time i saw the cue in my fathers closet. My father told me he bought it from a professional pool player who needed money. Don't know how long he had it.
My reasearch to this point leads me to believe it was made before 1960 by Hiolle billiards but many other antique cues from other companys also had carved rosewood bottleneck cues, with changible weights, bottleneck taper someone thought it was an very old brunswick cue who knows please!!

Very doubtful that this is foreign made. We used to see cues like this around in the 60's made by Brunswick and their competitors.

This probably was a $20-30 cue when new. As a collectible it should be worth considerably more now. Harold Worst had an inexpensive line of cues that were good playing cues. I wish I had kept a couple, because I never see one anymore.

 

[sharandrew]

Brunswicks show no cue like this in any catologe i have found but two californians thought it might be a brunswick...... someone said that this may have been a cue imported by a New York pool and billiards distributor in the 50's 60's and sold under thier label.......Iam very curious now ...so many people out on the net someone should know more........ maybe a real old timer...

Iwill be pushing this thread all weekend to find out more
Thanks so far

 

[Pizza Bob]

This is most assuredly a European cue. Could be for pool or billiards - the shaft taper, ferrule and joint should be indicators of which. If you poke around the link I sent you, I believe his e-mail address is in there (I've corresponded with him a few times) and I'd send him your pictures. As you can see from his website, he is a serious collector, especially of vintage European cues. Good luck in your quest - getting there (sorting out the good info from the bad) is half the fun.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

 

[sharandrew]

Pizza Bob thanks......Iam leaning on that Eruo direction.... I saw the web site you suggested before i posted.....iThe cue is a brass joint w/ brass insert....The leather case is falling apart.There were 2 more brass wieght rings but were lost when i was a teenager always playing around with my fathers cue..I will bring this thread back next weekend when different people will possibly see it.

 

[Snapshot9]

And

what is that case in the background? It looks like an antique too.

 

[sharandrew]

Snapshot.....case is old and falling apart don't really know

 

[pdcue]

good news and bad news

some thoughts in no particular order

'64 was in the height of the boom following 'The Hustler'
people were scrambling for cues with very few makers in USA.

Some companies had cues made by Europeans, but more to American pool
cue specs - it looks to me like that is what you have - the ferrule and metal joint and pin say American pool cue, but the shape of the butt,
fancy-ish hammered grip, dots inlays, and "adjustable weight washers'
indicate European manufacture

I doubt that it is a Brunswick, it those days, one would expect their
id to be on any cue they sold - and they had not made a cue of that
shape for 50(?) yrs

I also think the cue is stained, not Rosewood. Can't tell from the pics,
but that ios what it looks like to me

The good news:

the case is collectable, Brunswick, for sure, I bought one just like it in '64
when I purchased a Hoppe from Bruns. It was a cheaper version of the Lord Brunswick, black leather case you see on fleabay from timr to time

Dale

 

[TheBook]

It looks like a cue that Sears sold. I remember my dad had one that came with a used table that he bought. Can't say that it is the same as the one you are asking about though. I thought it was fantastic to have a 2 piece cue but knew it was a cheap cue because I seen them at many retail stores dirt cheap, not much more than a house cue.

 

[sharandrew]

Real rosewood.............A collector said today it is highest probability a Hiolle from France..... Eruo for least probability. Brunswick it is not!!

 

[PlynSets]

Pizza Bob thanks......Iam leaning on that Eruo direction.... I saw the web site you suggested before i posted.....iThe cue is a brass joint w/ brass insert....The leather case is falling apart.There were 2 more brass wieght rings but were lost when i was a teenager always playing around with my fathers cue..I will bring this thread back next weekend when different people will possibly see it.

The rings would take all of about 10 minutes for any machinist to make if you wanted to make some new ones..

Not sure how they varied the weight though? I.E. How much bigger, wider, diameter etc.. Each ring would be from each other.

DJ