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mnShooter

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I think everyone who got into groups 41-43 got a bum deal except for the top two players. They were basically gauranteed to get into a group with two of the final 6 from the NAO. The groups should be split up more than that. This leaves only one spot available for everyone else unless there is an upset. The only exception was Thorsten who didn't make it out of the first round and was replaced by Kiamco.

This is all because of the seeding and the advancement rules. http://www.internationalpooltour.com/ipt_content/events/06_wo_8ball_open/groups_determined.asp

The top players shouldn't play eachother until the final 18 if they win out.
 
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totally agree its a absolute joke ive been playing pool for 15 years at a top level and never seen so much crap before in my life regards seedings... the top seeds are getting punished for doing well at the first event... groups 1-20 will be mixed together all way through the tournaments rounds..groups 21-40 are where the weaker players are well the majority so there the ones that are going to benefit..

top players are getting punished for doing well...

winner of group 1 should play winner of group 40 winner group 2 should be in same group as winner of 20 then so on for 2nd and 3rd places players...

in the 2nd round gropus 1-20 qualifeirs are going to be packed with most of top players and groups 21-40 are going to be so much weaker....

joke this as got to be changed!!!
 
Holy Smokes, Batman!

Groups 41 and 48 are strong!!! Group 47 is right behind them...

I got a twinge as I rolled past Alcano's scorecard. Sure would be a
coming out for him (to the Pool World in USA) if he won this event.

I keep thinking about his powerful break they say he had at Hardtimes ... lol
 
dynamite said:
totally agree its a absolute joke ive been playing pool for 15 years at a top level and never seen so much crap before in my life regards seedings... the top seeds are getting punished for doing well at the first event... groups 1-20 will be mixed together all way through the tournaments rounds..groups 21-40 are where the weaker players are well the majority so there the ones that are going to benefit..

top players are getting punished for doing well...

winner of group 1 should play winner of group 40 winner group 2 should be in same group as winner of 20 then so on for 2nd and 3rd places players...

in the 2nd round gropus 1-20 qualifeirs are going to be packed with most of top players and groups 21-40 are going to be so much weaker....

joke this as got to be changed!!!
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It should be the winner of Group 1 will play the 3rd player who qualified in group 40, and the winner of group 2 will match up with the 3rd player in Group 39, and so on and so forth.

Whoever thought of this process, is a total idiot...
 
Mike Sigel is in Group 21, so that means he has a good chance of making it further. He is lucky he's not in group 1-20
 
mnShooter said:
I think everyone who got into groups 41-43 got a bum deal except for the top two players. They were basically gauranteed to get into a group with two of the final 6 from the NAO. The groups should be split up more than that. This leaves only one spot available for everyone else unless there is an upset. The only exception was Thorsten who didn't make it out of the first round and was replaced by Kiamco.

This is all because of the seeding and the advancement rules. http://www.internationalpooltour.com/ipt_content/events/06_wo_8ball_open/groups_determined.asp

The top players shouldn't play eachother until the final 18 if they win out.
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And it gets worse...

Just wait till group 61:
Winner of Group 41 (Kiamco / Manalo ?)
Winner of Group 42 (Reyes / Orcullo ?)
Second of Group 43 (Souquet / Stalev ?)
Third of Group 44
Third of Group 45:


If Hohmann had won his group rather than getting knocked out, we would more than likely have three of the top six seeds in the same 5-person group in the third round.
 
Yeah the whole thing is a complete mess - some very good players are going to have a really tough route through now.

Sigel seems to have found a really easy group though, doesn't he? Must be his lucky day - other than Corey Deuel he looks like he will walk through to round 2 and avoid the bad part of the draw.
 
parvus1202 said:
Mike Sigel is in Group 21, so that means he has a good chance of making it further. He is lucky he's not in group 1-20
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It is probably about "who you know". That's how it looks to me...
This tour hates the Filipinos' guts. I could see it from the onset. But if there's
a will, there's a way. I sure the Filipinos can work their way through it...
 
BigMalUK said:
Yeah the whole thing is a complete mess - some very good players are going to have a really tough route through now.

Sigel seems to have found a really easy group though, doesn't he? Must be his lucky day - other than Corey Deuel he looks like he will walk through to round 2 and avoid the bad part of the draw.
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Yes, but if he comes in 2nd, he will be facing Karen Corr who may change his outlook on female players. Could this be the tournament where the male chauvinists Strickland and Sigel get their comeuppance?

Also, I do think the original draw and/or staying with the same groupings throughout the tournament needs to be changed, since Mike Z will be playing not only Shane Van Boening (a new opponent for him), but Luat and Lining who were in his 2nd group last time at the Venetian. Not only that, but he has the chance to also re-play Howard Vickery and Keith McCready again if they happen to take 3rd in their brackets. These people all fall in the same groupings due to their close finishes with each other at the Venetian. Out of 200 people and 30 new qualifiers, surely he could play different people???
 
dynamite said:
totally agree its a absolute joke ive been playing pool for 15 years at a top level and never seen so much crap before in my life regards seedings... the top seeds are getting punished for doing well at the first event... groups 1-20 will be mixed together all way through the tournaments rounds..groups 21-40 are where the weaker players are well the majority so there the ones that are going to benefit..

top players are getting punished for doing well...

winner of group 1 should play winner of group 40 winner group 2 should be in same group as winner of 20 then so on for 2nd and 3rd places players...

in the 2nd round gropus 1-20 qualifeirs are going to be packed with most of top players and groups 21-40 are going to be so much weaker....

joke this as got to be changed!!!
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Hey c'mon. You aren't saying that the tournament is rigged now are you?

I think it is all in spreading the money around and giving the weaker players a better chance to earn their tour cards. You wouldn't want only the very best players to get their cards now would you?

They need some weak players, like Jasmin and Earl and Corey and Charlie, to reach the 3rd round.

Jake
 
mnShooter said:
I think everyone who got into groups 41-43 got a bum deal except for the top two players. They were basically gauranteed to get into a group with two of the final 6 from the NAO. The groups should be split up more than that. This leaves only one spot available for everyone else unless there is an upset. The only exception was Thorsten who didn't make it out of the first round and was replaced by Kiamco.

This is all because of the seeding and the advancement rules. http://www.internationalpooltour.com/ipt_content/events/06_wo_8ball_open/groups_determined.asp

The top players shouldn't play eachother until the final 18 if they win out.
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ITS A CONSPIRACY I TELL YOU!! This way the U.S. players will never prevail again!!
 
They've used the same system that was used for the NA open (group advancings), which was fine at the time, due to the (part) random draw, but now the players have rankings they needed to change it...but they've messed it up big time (did they forget? or do they have the knowledge?) and all the top players are going to meet early. Hopefully they'll revise it for tomorrow, but i wouldn't bet on it.


Darren...have you made them aware of their mistake? Has anybody else let them know?

This is a shame, i expected them to do such a basic, yet important thing, right.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they just forgot it. They are only humans, and with all the good work they have done with the tournament it can be easy to forget a thing or two.

However, what they should have done is to have a new players meeting, and do a redraw when round 1 is finished... Think all the players would understand, and agree on it.
 
mestar said:
Break and run percentages are up across the board. Something different with the tables?
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Most likely the players have been honing their skills and practicing on tables with the same specs, plus much better preparation all around.
 
dynamite said:
totally agree its a absolute joke Ive been playing pool for 15 years at a top level and never seen so much crap before in my life regards seedings... the top seeds are getting punished for doing well at the first event... groups 1-20 will be mixed together all way through the tournaments rounds..groups 21-40 are where the weaker players are well the majority so there the ones that are going to benefit..

top players are getting punished for doing well...

winner of group 1 should play winner of group 40 winner group 2 should be in same group as winner of 20 then so on for 2nd and 3rd places players...

in the 2nd round gropus 1-20 qualifiers are going to be packed with most of top players and groups 21-40 are going to be so much weaker....

joke this as got to be changed!!!
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I believe that this dilemma extends farther than we realize! This may even reach the level of heads of states! Every country whats their players to come out on top! whats a little palm greasing for world recognition?? Giving specific nations the edge! This shows that pool has become quite popular & is here to stay(world wide)
 
gopi-1 said:
It should be the winner of Group 1 will play the 3rd player who qualified in group 40, and the winner of group 2 will match up with the 3rd player in Group 39, and so on and so forth.

Whoever thought of this process, is a total idiot...
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Unfortunately, this proccess is near perfect for specific eliminations! It depends on your placement! this way they can pick and choose who gets the short end of the stick!
 
BigMalUK said:
Yeah the whole thing is a complete mess - some very good players are going to have a really tough route through now.

Sigel seems to have found a really easy group though, doesn't he? Must be his lucky day - other than Corey Deuel he looks like he will walk through to round 2 and avoid the bad part of the draw.
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think about it !these placements are intentional!?!? Huuumm!
 
gopi-1 said:
It is probably about "who you know". That's how it looks to me...
This tour hates the Filipinos' guts. I could see it from the onset. But if there's
a will, there's a way. I sure the Filipinos can work their way through it...
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They have a weird way of hating since they invited Luat after O'Sullivan dropped out. I guess they could have invited anyone they wanted but all the haters got together and chose a Filipino????

Wayne
 
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