Rule question: Scoop shots

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Hi,

a question about accidental scoop shots - I know that intentional scoop shots are considered a foul in all the games I know.

If you accidentally make a scoop shot (obvious, because there would be no reason to jump the cue ball) but still make the intended ball - is that still a good shot?

I know that this is normally not considered to be a foul with all the consequences like ball-in-hand and so on. Still, does the opponent get to play or does the player continue playing?

Would this be the same in all games - i.e. 9-ball, 8-ball, 14.1, American Rotation and so on?

Thanks for clearing it up.
 
Meucciplayer said:
Hi,

a question about accidental scoop shots - I know that intentional scoop shots are considered a foul in all the games I know.

If you accidentally make a scoop shot (obvious, because there would be no reason to jump the cue ball) but still make the intended ball - is that still a good shot?

I know that this is normally not considered to be a foul with all the consequences like ball-in-hand and so on. Still, does the opponent get to play or does the player continue playing?

Would this be the same in all games - i.e. 9-ball, 8-ball, 14.1, American Rotation and so on?

Thanks for clearing it up.
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This question is in the rules forum, pretty recent also. If it was accidental, it counts as a miscue. As long as no other foul was committed, the shooter keeps shooting. The only foul that may be called is ferrule to ball contact, which is almost never called even in pro events. In fact I can't think of a single time that a miscue was called a foul due to that only, even though it technically should be foul. If you hear that click during the shot, the ferrule hit the cueball. Rule is the same for all "standard" rule sets. APA, etc.. may have their own changes.
 
Thanks a lot, hang-the-9. Sorry for not finding the right forum part and using the wrong search words when looking for the answer. Found the correct thread now. This can be deleted if somebody wants it removed.
 
Have you ever made a close call double hit(the last time I accidentally did it was trying to play a soft roll safety with the cueball on the rail) this is different from a double hit with two balls close together and I've seen on this forum it's scientificall impossible but who knows. Again it's like almost impossible to see and it's more like you can feel it when your shooting and know you miscued a little. My question is if it's accidental is this considered a foul or not?
 
barrymuch90 said:
Have you ever made a close call double hit(the last time I accidentally did it was trying to play a soft roll safety with the cueball on the rail) this is different from a double hit with two balls close together and I've seen on this forum it's scientificall impossible but who knows. Again it's like almost impossible to see and it's more like you can feel it when your shooting and know you miscued a little. My question is if it's accidental is this considered a foul or not?
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I’m sure it is, but I never call it.
 
you cannot scoop to jump........ in APA the rules state that if the ferrule touches the cue ball it is a foul and BIH

Kim
 
whammo57 said:
you cannot scoop to jump........ in APA the rules state that if the ferrule touches the cue ball it is a foul and BIH

Kim
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Everyone knows that you cannot do it to jump a ball, including the OP. He’s referring to accidental scoops during miscues.
 
Meucciplayer said:
a question about accidental scoop shots - I know that intentional scoop shots are considered a foul in all the games I know.

If you accidentally make a scoop shot (obvious, because there would be no reason to jump the cue ball) but still make the intended ball - is that still a good shot?
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As others have pointed out, a scoop shot is a foul only if it is used to intentionally jump over a ball. An unintentional scoop is not a foul, just like a regular miscue. FYI, this topic is covered in detail on the scoop shot foul resource page.

Enjoy,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
An unintentional scoop is not a foul, just like a regular miscue. FYI, this topic is covered in detail on the scoop shot foul resource page.
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Thanks again. I knew that accidental scoops are not considered to be a foul. Where I was not 100% sure is if there are any non-fouls that still make you lose the right to continue playing. I was pretty sure there weren't any but we recently had an argument over that.

I should have known that your excellent website had something on this topic. I always use it for a lot of things but there is just too much information on your website in a positive way. I am a fan of your drills and exams using them for my practice all the time.
 
barrymuch90 said:
Have you ever made a close call double hit(the last time I accidentally did it was trying to play a soft roll safety with the cueball on the rail) this is different from a double hit with two balls close together and I've seen on this forum it's scientificall impossible but who knows. Again it's like almost impossible to see and it's more like you can feel it when your shooting and know you miscued a little. My question is if it's accidental is this considered a foul or not?
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the rules typically favor the shooter in close calls

same with split hits
 
Meucciplayer said:
dr_dave said:
An unintentional scoop is not a foul, just like a regular miscue. FYI, this topic is covered in detail on the scoop shot foul resource page.
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Thanks again. I knew that accidental scoops are not considered to be a foul. Where I was not 100% sure is if there are any non-fouls that still make you lose the right to continue playing. I was pretty sure there weren't any but we recently had an argument over that.

I should have known that your excellent website had something on this topic. I always use it for a lot of things but there is just too much information on your website in a positive way. I am a fan of your drills and exams using them for my practice all the time.
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I'm glad you make good use of my site, and I know it is easy to get lost in all of the info. FYI, for future reference, the easiest way to find what you want is to start on the FAQ page.

For example, to find the scoop shot resource page, I clicked on the "fouls" link and then "scoop jump shot".

Another way to find all info and resources for a particular topic is to use the search box at the bottom of the main page. I just entered "scoop shot," and 16 different links appeared; but, again, the FAQ page is usually an easier way to go to get all info in one place.

Regards,
Dave
 
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