By the the definition stated... if you sold more than 5 items last year on the forum you are a dealer... yes, I'm a dealer.
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By the the definition stated... if you sold more than 5 items last year on the forum you are a dealer... yes, I'm a dealer.
You mean't this right? http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3447351
I guess the rules do not apply to all dealers, dontcha know!
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a dealer
Its the people who have continous ads on here on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. Just took this in trade (sounds like a car lot), just got a new batch in ( from cuemaker xyz), listing 30 cases at a time and still buying em up here on az to have more to sell later, looking for a 24 count dealer case, you can see certain names over and over.
I think the mods are saying this site was started for the enjoyment and occasionall sale of a cue from a private seller or collector. Personally I enjoy having the wider selection of all sellers to select from but this isnt my site and I cant make the rules for other people.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then in all probability it is most likely a duck.
Its the people who have continous ads on here on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. Just took this in trade (sounds like a car lot), just got a new batch in ( from cuemaker xyz), listing 30 cases at a time and still buying em up here on az to have more to sell later, looking for a 24 count dealer case, you can see certain names over and over.
I think the mods are saying this site was started for the enjoyment and occasionall sale of a cue from a private seller or collector. Personally I enjoy having the wider selection of all sellers to select from but this isnt my site and I cant make the rules for other people.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then in all probability it is most likely a duck.
And as the MODS have stated, even the ducks can still advertise here, just do the transactions elsewhere. SOOOO, quack on!
You know they're are plenty of people looking for products here both new and used. I do not believe there is a rule against PMing those people to sell your items! I'm not a dealer, I'm just a person who was forced into early retirement because of disabilty. Over the many years I've collected many cues...if I cannot sell them outright in the forum, I'll sell them by PM or elsewhere. BTW...I do not sell new items! Yet I have had at least one thread deleted.
Oh, if anyone is looking for a nice custom Sneaky...PM me please!
Oh, if anyone is looking for a nice custom Sneaky...PM me please!
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Are these considered dealers:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=264117
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=264116
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=263290
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=254838
And, how many items can you sell in a DAY?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/search.php?searchid=7959039
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=264216
http://forums.azbilliards.com/search.php?searchid=7959076
Just a few from yesterday and today. I'm asking because the rules seem unclear, or at least to whom they apply...
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=264117
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=264116
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=263290
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=254838
And, how many items can you sell in a DAY?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/search.php?searchid=7959039
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=264216
http://forums.azbilliards.com/search.php?searchid=7959076
Just a few from yesterday and today. I'm asking because the rules seem unclear, or at least to whom they apply...
I'm far from a dealer. I have a full time job. I don't pay my bills by trading cues. I never intended to get caught up in this buy/sell/trade addiction.
I like having the option to buy sell and trade here so I can hit with all different types of cues. I went through my predator phase, now I'm done. I'm looking into Lambros and Bluegrass. I've done Dayton, Olney, Josey, so on and so on.
I don't believe I abuse the system and I've even tried to consolidate my wanted to buy and sale/trade threads so I dont have 15 posts I'm bumping and hogging the front page.
I'll bump my 2 threads once per day per the rules.
IMO-(MY OPINION)
no(looks like he is selling some left over stuff that he got from donations for boys and girls club?)
no(see above)
yes(he designs cases and sells as a business)
yes(his history clearly shows his main interest on AZ is for selling)
no(looks like he is selling some left over stuff that he got from donations for boys and girls club?)
no(see above)
yes(he designs cases and sells as a business)
yes(his history clearly shows his main interest on AZ is for selling)
I don't feel like I'm being picked on. I just wanted to clarify who I was and why I was here because my thread came up in the links.
I just wanted to be clear that I'm not even close to being a dealer...I'm just an addict that wants to try everything he sees.
No ill will towards you or anyone else on these forums.
by this definition there are a LOT of dealers. luckily for me nothing i sell or trade is new...
A large % that frequent the Wanted/For Sale section would fall under this definition. Many here buy/sell/trade way more than actual dealers....new, used, or otherwise.
I don't know guys,,,,,this is just a mess, and I really don't see what the big argument is all about. AZB is a great website,,,,,that's why all of us come here everyday, but it's obvious there are certain things they do not want to be bothered with,,,,,,,ala this topic,,,,,,so why fight it. There are alternatives,,,,I have a site up, Lee has a site up, John has a sight up,,,,it's just another click to get there. All the sites have a general focus or purpose, just find one of em you like and then when you have looked over and commented on all the posts you have interest in here, just click over to one, or any/all of the others and sell/ buy/ trade, or whatever. I mean, there are always alternatives, and usually some with alot less headaches.
This all seems silly to me ...why not just call a spade a spade and ban the few causing problems in the wanted for sale section instead of punishing the good dealers on here. I personally like seeing their offerings on nice cues and equipment etc I'd much rather browse legitimate dealers adds than watch a bunch of used production cues be listed day in and day out and for the record saying that if you ve sold 5 things on here your a dealer is insane IMO
Mr Wilson asked if anyone had any thoughts to his 5 per year idea, and it seems like most people don't like it, but not many are offering much in the way of any suggestions. I agree it should be very easy to tell who a dealer is and who isn't, but there will be too many that claim they are not dealers who actually are.
I suggested instead of a low number like 5 per year to bump it up to one a month. Another suggestion is to only allow a person to list one or two items for sale at the same time. This would eliminate all the "just got a new batch in, but I'm not a dealer" types, yet still allow the average joe to sell a case and cue, or a matching playing and J/B cue, etc. Anyone else have any suggestions?
I suggested instead of a low number like 5 per year to bump it up to one a month. Another suggestion is to only allow a person to list one or two items for sale at the same time. This would eliminate all the "just got a new batch in, but I'm not a dealer" types, yet still allow the average joe to sell a case and cue, or a matching playing and J/B cue, etc. Anyone else have any suggestions?
Ditti!
I completely agree. If it's about money from advertisers just charge everone a reasonable yearly fee and kick all the cry babys out of here. Dealers cues and cuemakers cues are mostly what people come here for. Without them this site is mostly bull $hit, IMHO
"country" Bob
I completely agree. If it's about money from advertisers just charge everone a reasonable yearly fee and kick all the cry babys out of here. Dealers cues and cuemakers cues are mostly what people come here for. Without them this site is mostly bull $hit, IMHO
"country" Bob
First, I think no one should lose track of the fact that the owners of AZ have asked for a policy change in order to minimize their legal exposure.
Understanding that, I do not think it's appropriate to keep debating how unfair their decision is. It's their forum, it's their prerogative, right?
With that said, however, I see that there has been some grey areas left open to interpretation and when pressed, Mr. Wilson has in most cases remained vague. Maybe he's being vague on purpose and also when being pressed hard for an answer he has suggested that the person wanting to know ask Jerry.
I could be very wrong but my take is that if you think you fall into the grey areas, but you are a good citizen/contributor, why not post up your for sale thread, only bump it once a day at the most, and see if you're left alone.
According to Mr. Wilson, if it is determined that you are not operating within the rules, he'll be letting you know. It's not an instant ban, he said you get 3 warnings so what do you have to lose?
Meanwhile, everyone who keeps pressing on and on for rules clarifications should be careful for what you get you may not like.
My sincere suggestion would be to be good az'ers, do not abuse the forum, and if you think you would likely be considered a dealer, just don't post brand new cues for sale here unless it's via an ebay link.
Operating with some grey areas may actually benefit the overhelming majority of good guys (dealers and non-dealers) who post here.
Just a thought.
Best,
Brian kc
Understanding that, I do not think it's appropriate to keep debating how unfair their decision is. It's their forum, it's their prerogative, right?
With that said, however, I see that there has been some grey areas left open to interpretation and when pressed, Mr. Wilson has in most cases remained vague. Maybe he's being vague on purpose and also when being pressed hard for an answer he has suggested that the person wanting to know ask Jerry.
I could be very wrong but my take is that if you think you fall into the grey areas, but you are a good citizen/contributor, why not post up your for sale thread, only bump it once a day at the most, and see if you're left alone.
According to Mr. Wilson, if it is determined that you are not operating within the rules, he'll be letting you know. It's not an instant ban, he said you get 3 warnings so what do you have to lose?
Meanwhile, everyone who keeps pressing on and on for rules clarifications should be careful for what you get you may not like.
My sincere suggestion would be to be good az'ers, do not abuse the forum, and if you think you would likely be considered a dealer, just don't post brand new cues for sale here unless it's via an ebay link.
Operating with some grey areas may actually benefit the overhelming majority of good guys (dealers and non-dealers) who post here.
Just a thought.
Best,
Brian kc
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I agree with you its messy and I truly like having lots of options on here and don't understand what the problem with it is. Of course, this isn't my site and rules are rules. However, nothing personal, but multiple sites suck! I am part of another local gun forum that just split into a second forum. I do like the newer forum better, but now I have to go through two sites and look through twice as many posts since many people post the same things in both. It truly is a headache and I waste a lot more time going through both sites.
Great perspective - Good post Brian, make a lot of sense.
Is this indeed a fact? Can dealers post up Ebay links and used products, or are dealers forbidden to post anything at all in the W/FS section? I'm still unclear on that one.