Rumors about the WPBA

[Tbeaux]

No one is talking about men's pool, so anything about them is irrelevant.

Look at the fields from this year's events, they have been watered down. Why do you think so many invites were sent out to people who technically did not belong? Because they couldn't fill the fields.

Okay...........then your point is what? They should lay down and die like EVERY MENS organization so far has? Players who haven't made tournaments have had their reasons, again there is no money in pool, many have to work to survive day to day. The economy is Washingtons fault not the WPBAs.

 

[PoolJunkie216]

Okay...........then your point is what? They should lay down and die like EVERY MENS organization so far has? Players who haven't made tournaments have had their reasons, again there is no money in pool, many have to work to survive day to day. The economy is Washingtons fault not the WPBAs.

There is no money in pool yet other tours seem to run & do okay for themselves. Save the there is no money in pool excuse & how the economy is bad. The organization is poorly run & even if economic times were better, they'd find a way to not cash in on it.

 

[pooltchr]

There is no money in pool yet other tours seem to run & do okay for themselves. Save the there is no money in pool excuse & how the economy is bad. The organization is poorly run & even if economic times were better, they'd find a way to not cash in on it.

Most other tours are regional tours that run 2-day events. Most of us can swing a weekend for some serious pool.
WPBA tournaments require players to be at the event for 5 or 6 days.
$500 entry, 5 nights in a hotel, meals for 5 days, airline tickets, or a long road trip....the expenses can add up. And unless they finish in the top 4 or 5, they probably lose money.

I'd say the WPBA has done fairly well, all things considered.

Steve

 

[Zbotiman]

Well-----not exactly

It's a loaded question. Doesn't seem to be an issue given the Derby City Classic, the US Open 9-ball, and other events that the WPBA ladies have been playing in.

Fred <~~~ next question please

It was sometime around 2004 or 2005 The Black widow, Jeannette Lee, was not allowed to be recorded by appearing on the ACCU-STATS T.V. table at the Derby City Classic. She was scheduled to play 1-pocket against Dave Matlock on the T.V. table, but the WPBA officials didn't allow her to do it. They felt that the recording of this scheduled match wasn't in the best interests of the WPBA, CASE CLOSED!THE WPBA IS IN COMPLETE CONTROL OF THEIR INVESTMENT!:help:

 

[wutang]

so the only events that the wpba sanctions are events that only ladies can play in? So in theory the wpba can keep all of their members from playing any open events? How does this rule benefit pool or the wpba?

Its big business...lol! Welcome to the dark side of the force, young padawan!....lol!

 

[OTB]

I agree its their organization and they can make any stupid rule they want. If their events are valuable, then their organization wouldn't have to rely on binding their members into contracts. Who would even want to agree to that? Maybe just make sure there are no scheduling issues. There are alot of days in a year. Sounds kinda like a dictatorial and sexist organization anyway.

dont join then........ranting.

 

[wutang]

it was sometime around 2004 or 2005 the black widow, jeannette lee, was not allowed to be recorded by appearing on the accu-stats t.v. Table at the derby city classic. She was scheduled to play 1-pocket against dave matlock on the t.v. Table, but the wpba officials didn't allow her to do it. They felt that the recording of this scheduled match wasn't in the best interests of the wpba, case closed!the wpba is in complete control of their investment!:help:

i've said this time and time again. And at one time i even explained it to pat fleming and fran crimi at comet billiards (rip). I.e. Jeanette lee plays at dcc almost every year. Just this past year (as we all know) she got the st. Louis roberts action award. Pat fleming gets all the good matchups, semi finals and finals of all pool disciplines that go on at the dcc. If jeanette lee goes deep in the tourney and makes it to the semi finals or finals, what does she do then? Does she forfeit or allow herself to be recorded?? I dont think pat or the heads of the dcc are gonna bend for the sake of one or a few people. GOD FORBID, IF HEADS DO BEND, THEN WERE GONNA NEED A BIGGER BOAT!!!!Thats a disservice to the sport and fans. Something to think about.



Peace

wutang

 

[jay helfert]

i've said this time and time again. And at one time i even explained it to pat fleming and fran crimi at comet billiards (rip). I.e. Jeanette lee plays at dcc almost every year. Just this past year (as we all know) she got the st. Louis roberts action award. Pat fleming gets all the good matchups, semi finals and finals of all pool disciplines that go on at the dcc. If jeanette lee goes deep in the tourney and makes it to the semi finals or finals, what does she do then? Does she forfeit or allow herself to be recorded?? I dont think pat or the heads of the dcc is gonna bend for the sake of one or a few people. GOD FORBID, IF HEADS DO BEND, THEN WERE GONNA NEED A BIGGER BOAT!!!!Thats a disservice to the sport and fans. Something to think about.

Wutang



Short answer - The WPBA needs Jeanette Lee!

By the way, to all those knocking the WPBA, they have made stars out of several players which resulted in lucrative contracts for them. They have paid out several million dollars in prize money during the course of their highly successful WPBA Pro Tour. What men's organization can say that? Answer - none!

Just think about it - eight to ten events a year (sometimes more), average pay outs - $75-100,000 per event, active for the last fifteen years! You add up those numbers and tell me what you get. Well in excess of ten million!

 

[Johnnyt]

i've said this time and time again. And at one time i even explained it to pat fleming and fran crimi at comet billiards (rip). I.e. Jeanette lee plays at dcc almost every year. Just this past year (as we all know) she got the st. Louis roberts action award. Pat fleming gets all the good matchups, semi finals and finals of all pool disciplines that go on at the dcc. If jeanette lee goes deep in the tourney and makes it to the semi finals or finals, what does she do then? Does she forfeit or allow herself to be recorded?? I dont think pat or the heads of the dcc is gonna bend for the sake of one or a few people. GOD FORBID, IF HEADS DO BEND, THEN WERE GONNA NEED A BIGGER BOAT!!!!Thats a disservice to the sport and fans. Something to think about.

Wutang




Short answer - The WPBA needs Jeanette Lee!

By the way, to all those knocking the WPBA, they have made stars out of several players which resulted in lucrative contracts for them. They have paid out several million dollars in prize money during the course of their highly successful WPBA Pro Tour. What men's organization can say that? Answer - none!

Just think about it - eight to ten events a year (sometimes more), average pay outs - $75-100,000 per event, active for the last fifteen years! You add up those numbers and tell me what you get. Well in excess of ten million!

Allison, Kelly, Corr, and others didn't leave their countries for nothing. First place at a WPBA event was between $13k and $15k for many years and they paid very deep also. Johnnyt

 

[Scott Lee]

TimKrazyMon...Then how can Karen Corr play in the Joss Tour events? They are not "sanctioned" by the WPBA?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I don't think so. I believe that the event must be sanctioned by the WPBA no matter when it is.

 

[dorabelle]

dont join then........ranting.

I promise you I never will

 

[dorabelle]

Generally if a business is that good and valuable, it doesn't have to bind its members into contracts like that. I'm sure if what some of you say is true about how great the WPBA is, they can give their members all the freedom to do what is in their best interest. The WPBA can loosen up and still stay in business.

 

[wutang]

generally if a business is that good and valuable, it doesn't have to bind its members into contracts like that. I'm sure if what some of you say is true about how great the wpba is, they can give their members all the freedom to do what is in their best interest. The wpba can loosen up and still stay in business.

some people want it alllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Zbotiman]

Issue clarity

By the way, to all those knocking the WPBA, they have made stars out of several players which resulted in lucrative contracts for them. They have paid out several million dollars in prize money during the course of their highly successful WPBA Pro Tour. What men's organization can say that? Answer - none!

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement, the WPBA is good for the sport of pool over-all! It's really a shame about the recording issue. However, I can see good reason for the WPBA Tour executives "NOT" wanting their top female players on video, playing the best men on the planet, with-out knowing the final results of the match in advance. None the less, I posted that piece of info. (about the recording of one of their top female players image) to help others realize that there are strict "RULES when dealing with the WPBA!" It's not an individuals decision, there are too many issues to be considered!

 

[dorabelle]

Why does the WPBA need so many strick rules? would they not be around if they didnt have these rules? would they make less money? I guess the ladies dont mind being told what they can and cannot do as pool players because they join the WPBA. Maybe when they want to be treated like pool players rather than women pool players who do what they are told, they will walk away.

 

[mdavis228]

dorabelle, First - welcome to the AZ forum. Clearly you have passion... but,
Perhaps if you invested some time in reading 167 posts, or really delving into the history of the WPBA, their rules, the reasons behind them, where they've been, who took them there, etc; your 167th post on this forum might sound less like a proscribed agenda & more like an informed opinion.
The WPBA may indeed have a long way to go, and a good deal to learn & improve. But it is populated by a great many fine, intelligent, talented, passionate, and thoughtful women who are not being, and I dare say likely will not be, led around like so many sheep.

 

[dorabelle]

dorabelle, First - welcome to the AZ forum. Clearly you have passion... but,
Perhaps if you invested some time in reading 167 posts, or really delving into the history of the WPBA, their rules, the reasons behind them, where they've been, who took them there, etc; your 167th post on this forum might sound less like a proscribed agenda & more like an informed opinion.
The WPBA may indeed have a long way to go, and a good deal to learn & improve. But it is populated by a great many fine, intelligent, talented, passionate, and thoughtful women who are not being, and I dare say likely will not be, led around like so many sheep.

Thanks for the welcome. I guess I do have an agenda. Im very aware of how it comes across and I apologize if people dont want to hear it of are offended or bored with it. I feel these are big issues in the world of pool and should be addressed and questioning things are OK. That is how things become better. If this organization has a long way to go, then I hope they get there sooner than later. Its better to discuss it then hide from it. I think the women want to be there because they get to be classed as professional pool players and win money. I'm not saying in any way shape or form that these women are or are not intelligent, talented, passionate, or thoughtful. Maybe some of these ladies can speak up and I can learn something. They probably signed some sort of disclosure contract and cant. People ask about and criticize businesses all the time.

 

[JohnGalt]

dorabelle, First - welcome to the AZ forum. Clearly you have passion... but,
Perhaps if you invested some time in reading 167 posts, or really delving into the history of the WPBA, their rules, the reasons behind them, where they've been, who took them there, etc; your 167th post on this forum might sound less like a proscribed agenda & more like an informed opinion.
The WPBA may indeed have a long way to go, and a good deal to learn & improve. But it is populated by a great many fine, intelligent, talented, passionate, and thoughtful women who are not being, and I dare say likely will not be, led around like so many sheep.

I think this is mostly because dora started a sexism/prejudice discussion about the US Open, so now she has to carry this thought over to the WPBA in order to remain consistent with her logic. Unfortunately applying this logic to the WPBA which is, and clearly should be, only for women doesn't look as logical compared to bashing Behrman for the US Open PAST policies. Her implications must carry over to the WPBA so that she is not creating double standards, which I believe she realizes must exist, she just doesn't want to admit it, in effect, ruining her own argument about the Open.

 

[dorabelle]

Hey Mr ATLAS SHRUGGED, I think your almost right. What do you think about an organization riddled with regulation and red tape? What is your opinion about women playing in the us open? Totaly awesome that they let Ayn Rand write books like the men could.

 

[dorabelle]

Mr John Galt, the reason i started this thread was because Johnnyt and others said that the wpba wouldnt let its players play in the open. This is to ask why they did that and to insinuate that maybe the WPBA is just as much to blame for this gap in mens and womens pool as the us open.