Run This (35)

OK I get first crack at it. I like getting rid of the tight 3 balls now while I have a good angle on them. I'm sure there are other good sequences on this one.

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Almost exactly as Dan did it. It made me think about the appropriate angle on the 9. I guess it doesn't really matter where you end up on it as long as you're creeping toward the 1-ball break shot as opposed to away from it.

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My initial thoughts were the same pattern initially as Blackjack's. I'd like to get a tad higher on the five however, and roll the cue ball to play the 7 in the top side pocket with position on the 6 in the corner and let the 2 take me to the 9.
 
My initial thought is nearly the same as Dan.

8, 7, 4, 3, 5...

All position is nearly the same, but with less angle on the 3 to come out for the 5 to go in the same pocket as the 4 ball.

Kelly
 
Mistake?

I don't mind playing the 7 off of the 9, but I think it's a mistake to plan on using the nine as the next shot since it's final resting place isn't fixed by any means....
 
Tiddler said:
I don't mind playing the 7 off of the 9, but I think it's a mistake to plan on using the nine as the next shot since it's final resting place isn't fixed by any means....
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I think that's true. If the 9 were on the rail then moving it would be reasonable, but it looks like it fits in the side very easily. I think the second rule of 14.1 (after "Don't miss.") is move no ball unnecessarily.
 
Before reading other replies (because that's how I always do these... I click edit, reply, then read other's posts.)

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thyme3421 said:
Before reading other replys (because that's how I always do these... I click edit, reply, then read.)
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You show 3-5-draw for the 7. That requires you to be within about 1/2-inch of the right place for the 5 with a run of over 2 diamonds from the 3. While that's possible, it's not something you should ever plan for. If that's the only way to get out, you will nearly always fail. Much more likely is 3, 7 in the side, 5.

Also, it's a minor point, but you show a draw angle from the 1 that's impossible from where you have left the cue ball. The very major underlying point is that completing a run in 14.1 is often a matter of getting the cue ball right within an inch or so. Some players forget that a stop shot leaves the cue ball not where the object ball was but rather a whole ball back.

In the particular way you played from the 7 to the 1, you chose the "narrow end of the position triangle." For that position, because I'm crossing the ideal line, I would draw a little more to get to a wider part of the triangle, even though it would leave me a longer shot.
 
Bob Jewett said:
You show 3-5-draw for the 7. That requires you to be within about 1/2-inch of the right place for the 5 with a run of over 2 diamonds from the 3. While that's possible, it's not something you should ever plan for. If that's the only way to get out, you will nearly always fail. Much more likely is 3, 7 in the side, 5.

Also, it's a minor point, but you show a draw angle from the 1 that's impossible from where you have left the cue ball. The very major underlying point is that completing a run in 14.1 is often a matter of getting the cue ball right within an inch or so. Some players forget that a stop shot leaves the cue ball not where the object ball was but rather a whole ball back.

In the particular way you played from the 7 to the 1, you chose the "narrow end of the position triangle." For that position, because I'm crossing the ideal line, I would draw a little more to get to a wider part of the triangle, even though it would leave me a longer shot.
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Thanks for your reply Bob. That's exactly why I post these runs before reading other's posts first... that way I'm not influenced and change my pattern based on what I've already seen...
Mistakes teach better than perfect play.

For some reason I feel the need to explain myself on a couple of points you've made though.

"You show 3-5-draw for the 7" Excellent point... In 14.1 there is no "area position"... but 1/2 inch of breathing room is a little tighter than I'd like to play. I didn't even notice that I'd be playing into such a tight spot. Maybe I had in my mind that if I over/under played position, I had a back up ball somewhere. This really shouldn't be the way I play shots though. Instead of playing for *Right Here... and if I miss I have that shot over there, then 2 balls later I'm back in line*... play for *Here, and if it doesn't go well I can still make it and stay in line*

I realized the draw off the 1 to get up for the 9 wouldn't work after I had already posted. I did the table real quick on my lunch break at work so it was a little sloppier than I had liked.

The position triangle point you make... This helps the most out of everything you've mentioned. Mostly because this can be applied to almost every shot when planning position. This is more of a "always watch for" type thing, not just "when in this situation, try and do this" type thing.
Thanks again :)
 
thyme3421 said:
Maybe I had in my mind that if I over/under played position, I had a back up ball somewhere. This really shouldn't be the way I play shots though.
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But I think this is how straight pool should be played--insurance whenever possible. At least on difficult position plays and cluster openings.
I guess for these runs though, going to a plan B doesn't quite cut it for our purposes. So they're exercises that may not always translate to the real table.
 
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