Running 100 in straight pool

[TheOne]

I sure as heck wish I had enough spare time, and spare $$ to hang on a table 6 hours a day for a month to give that challenge a shot.

btw: The closest I've come to playing 14.1 was a 15 ball run out event on English style 7' table. I had to run 2 racks and did it first attempt, collecting $200 for my efforts. I went out partying after that and my cue got stolen out of the back seat of my car via a smashed window ...doh!

I think Colin would do that pretty easily, just to be clear though, he gets to set up his own break ball at the end of ech rack, and all he has to do is pot the other 14 balls without missing and then do it again until he reaches a ton? I would be suprised if he didn't do that first day on a 9ft table if he played for 6 hours.

I hope I get a chance to have nother bash at straightpool soon, I would love to play 5 hours a day for a month to see what I could get?

Whats your highest DM?

 

[drivermaker]

I think Colin would do that pretty easily, just to be clear though, he gets to set up his own break ball at the end of ech rack, and all he has to do is pot the other 14 balls without missing and then do it again until he reaches a ton? I would be suprised if he didn't do that first day on a 9ft table if he played for 6 hours.

Whats your highest DM?

You have the rules correct. As far as him doing it on a 9 ft. table on the first day over 6 hours...I'd bet a hefty sum of money on that.

The best I ever got was a good number of years ago...a mere 77. What a bummer.

I really need to get back into the game, but my patience isn't worth a damn and I get infuriated too quickly over my own dumb ass play.

 

[Colin Colenso]

I think Colin would do that pretty easily, just to be clear though, he gets to set up his own break ball at the end of ech rack, and all he has to do is pot the other 14 balls without missing and then do it again until he reaches a ton? I would be suprised if he didn't do that first day on a 9ft table if he played for 6 hours.

I hope I get a chance to have nother bash at straightpool soon, I would love to play 5 hours a day for a month to see what I could get?

Whats your highest DM?

Thanks for the vote of confidence Craig, however, I suspect I would struggle a bit more than that. It's been about 4 years since I practiced hard for anything (The big Japan event) so I reckon it would take me about a week of hard work to get my stroke and alignment and touch and concentration consistant enough to eliminate unforced errors and get back to seeing those angles clearly.

Though the more I learn about this game, the more interesting and challenging it seems. I look forward to making a comeback and playing a bit of 14.1 to see what it can add to my overall skills

 

[TheOne]

Thanks for the vote of confidence Craig, however, I suspect I would struggle a bit more than that. It's been about 4 years since I practiced hard for anything (The big Japan event) so I reckon it would take me about a week of hard work to get my stroke and alignment and touch and concentration consistant enough to eliminate unforced errors and get back to seeing those angles clearly.

Though the more I learn about this game, the more interesting and challenging it seems. I look forward to making a comeback and playing a bit of 14.1 to see what it can add to my overall skills

Ah well still, def within a month anyway! But don't forget Colin we are talking about simply running a rack on a 9 ball table here, with ball in hand on both the breal ball and cb! Im sure you could do 7 in a row. Obviously without ball in hand its much harder.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Ah well still, def within a month anyway! But don't forget Colin we are talking about simply running a rack on a 9 ball table here, with ball in hand on both the breal ball and cb! Im sure you could do 7 in a row. Obviously without ball in hand its much harder.

Keep in mind mate, that I'd have the added pressure of dealing with DM on my shoulders

 

[drivermaker]

Ah well still, def within a month anyway! But don't forget Colin we are talking about simply running a rack on a 9 ball table here, with ball in hand on both the breal ball and cb! Im sure you could do 7 in a row. Obviously without ball in hand its much harder.

Also remember that he has to do it from alternating spots on the table each time. Right side of rack; left side of rack; behind rack; and front of rack shooting break ball into side pocket. That's not a matter of exploding the rack open to smithereens...you still have to know what kind of english to put on the CB to control it for the rest of the rack, as well as hit the rack in the right spot to optimize your chances for a runout. It just ain't that easy!!

That's right Colin...the Horny Devil would be talkin' shit to you like never before. If you even made 4 balls out of the rack you'd be lucky!

 

[Colin Colenso]

Also remember that he has to do it from alternating spots on the table each time. Right side of rack; left side of rack; behind rack; and front of rack shooting break ball into side pocket. That's not a matter of exploding the rack open to smithereens...you still have to know what kind of english to put on the CB to control it for the rest of the rack, as well as hit the rack in the right spot to optimize your chances for a runout. It just ain't that easy!!

That's right Colin...the Horny Devil would be talkin' shit to you like never before. If you even made 4 balls out of the rack you'd be lucky!

Just for interest, what would be the best way from under and over?

From under I would first try 1/2 ball cut back with follow with outside english at medium speed to bring the CB into the 2nd last ball and then off the side rail coming back toward the cluster.

For above I'd put the OB over the center pocket, hit it 1/4 ball and pretty firm with draw into the about the 2nd ball from the top. The draw would make the scratch pretty unlikely I imagine.

 

[chefjeff]

I've played straight pool maybe twenty times. And I've made at least five each time. 20X5=100

That wasn't so hard.

Jeff Livingston

 

[Colin Colenso]

I've played straight pool maybe twenty times. And I've made at least five each time. 20X5=100

That wasn't so hard.

Jeff Livingston

Geez Jeff, we're having a serious discussion and you come in with that comment

Everyone here knows you can only add up your breaks over 10 balls, and balls that touch the jaws are counted due to table imperfections, or balls missed as a result of sharking, such as someone 3 tables away talking, are counted. Get with the program buddy!

 

[bogey54311]

100

i played with world straight pool champ DICK LANE for a summer a couple years ago.
he once said that whatever your normal runs are at the table, your HIGH run was about 5x that amount.
if your high run is 35, you have a long way to go my friend.
straightpool is the hardest game to master.
so much knowledge is needed. one pocket is probably 2nd.
when you become a strong 14.1 player, all the other games seem easier.

goodluck with your quest.


chris
(100+ runner)

 

[Colin Colenso]

i played with world straight pool champ DICK LANE for a summer a couple years ago.
he once said that whatever your normal runs are at the table, your HIGH run was about 5x that amount.
if your high run is 35, you have a long way to go my friend.
straightpool is the hardest game to master.
so much knowledge is needed. one pocket is probably 2nd.
when you become a strong 14.1 player, all the other games seem easier.

goodluck with your quest.


chris
(100+ runner)

Can you define a 'Normal Run'.
Average highest run every hour? Every 4 hour session?
Average score per visit to the table?

It makes more sense to use an example such as from open shot, what % of the time can you run the pack and successfully open the next cluster. If around 80%, then the odds of making 100 balls is about.

0.8 to the power of 7.3 = approx 0.16 (add a bit over 7 as you'll need to open 8 clusters to get the extra balls). This will come to about 16%, meaning a player at this standard should run 100 about one in every 6 visits to the table.

But for those who can run a rack and open a cluster successfully only about 20% (one time in five attempts), which I would consider a handy league player in most circles has odds of 0.20 to the power of 7 plus some coming to about 0.001% success rates. So he'll need about 100,000 visits to the table to make it. And that doesn't take into account the fact that such a player is likely to freeze in ability if he finds himself on a break much higher than he is accustomed to.

So if a player speads the balls a bit, and starts CB in hand and sees how many times out of 20 he can clear the rack and open a cluster, he can establish his % rate and then get some idea of how many visits he would need to get to 100.

I would rate myself as about 25-30% (5-6 out of 20) if I tried it tomorrow, but with some practice might pick it up to around 50%. I'm guessing a bit, so feel free to deliver some humble pie.

50% would mean I would need about 150 open table attempts. That would translate to about a week playing a few hours a day alone. And doesn't include the crack under pressure factor which can be significant for some players.

 

[drivermaker]

I would rate myself as about 25-30% (5-6 out of 20) if I tried it tomorrow, but with some practice might pick it up to around 50%. I'm guessing a bit, so feel free to deliver some humble pie.

50% would mean I would need about 150 open table attempts. That would translate to about a week playing a few hours a day alone. And doesn't include the crack under pressure factor which can be significant for some players.

OK Colin...I'll up the ante and give you some motivation to achieve that. If you do it...you can have your choice between Mawissa and Timberly for the night. (don't worry, they like me...they'll do it as a favor) Hell, just so neither of their feelings are hurt from you choosing one over the other...you can have them BOTH at the same time. (don't worry girls...he AIN'T gonna do it, I don't care how much he stands at the blackboard pounding out math formulas!)

 

[Colin Colenso]

OK Colin...I'll up the ante and give you some motivation to achieve that. If you do it...you can have your choice between Mawissa and Timberly for the night. (don't worry, they like me...they'll do it as a favor) Hell, just so neither of their feelings are hurt from you choosing one over the other...you can have them BOTH at the same time. (don't worry girls...he AIN'T gonna do it, I don't care how much he stands at the blackboard pounding out math formulas!)

Can you throw in a case of beer mate? It would really help to stimulate my interest in...uhh...the math formulas

 

[drivermaker]

Can you throw in a case of beer mate? It would really help to stimulate my interest in...uhh...the math formulas

That's only a warmup for Timberly...I'll make it 3 cases just to be on the safe side.

 

[Colin Colenso]

That's only a warmup for Timberly...I'll make it 3 cases just to be on the safe side.

I get the feeling I'm being sexually harrassed
Any lawyers in the house?

 

[hobokenapa]

What is your website? I think I might do the same on my website.
Cheers!

It is www.100balls.com what else?!

There's a section on there about running 100 with my tournament records etc.. the rest is on Pool Leagues and other stuff (puzzles). I had hoped to put more on there to monitor improvement but since April, I've not been able to practice at all (work, girlfriend, nice weather etc..), you know how it is

 

[Steve Lipsky]

It is www.100balls.com what else?!

There's a section on there about running 100 with my tournament records etc.. the rest is on Pool Leagues and other stuff (puzzles). I had hoped to put more on there to monitor improvement but since April, I've not been able to practice at all (work, girlfriend, nice weather etc..), you know how it is

Ahhh... now I know who you are, Hoboken . You might be the most under-rated B on the planet, lol. I'm sure you'll be moving up next season.

Anyway, congrats on making it this far in the league playoffs, and good luck tonight!

- Steve

 

[bobroberts]

Straight pool is a little different then the others because what you are trying to do is just chip a few balls away from the pack at a time,untill you can set up your break shot.The old great ones made it look like they never had a shot longer then 3 feet.It istrue it is alsays about patterns,layouts and positioning.I used to know a few guys that could run 100 pretty consistently.They never had lessons or read a book or watched tapes.They would just play almost every night at the local room from 8p.m. to 11m p.m.It was more about hanging out and socializing then shooting pool.Thats why,I believe you either have IT or you dont.If you dont you can probably get pretty good with enough teaching, reading,watching tapes , practiciing.But if you have IT and do those same things you can become great.

 

[Steve Lipsky]

Straight pool is a little different then the others because what you are trying to do is just chip a few balls away from the pack at a time,untill you can set up your break shot.

Hi Bob. In my opinion, the game is changing from the old "chip away" method to a newer "break 'em good" method. The Europeans have really become quite good at this. I was privileged enough to watch Thorsten and Neils play a few years ago at the NJ State 14.1 Championship, and these guys were crushing the rack when they could. I think Thorsten had three 100+ runs on his way to winning the tournament.

You give up a little in position after the break (sometimes) and you'll catch a few bizarre scratches once in a great while. But you gain a lot in having a wide open rack; as Bob Jewett once so eloquently put it, "even a drunk girl scout can run an open table."

- Steve

 

[pete lafond]

Hi Bob. In my opinion, the game is changing from the old "chip away" method to a newer "break 'em good" method. The Europeans have really become quite good at this. I was privileged enough to watch Thorsten and Neils play a few years ago at the NJ State 14.1 Championship, and these guys were crushing the rack when they could. I think Thorsten had three 100+ runs on his way to winning the tournament.

You give up a little in position after the break (sometimes) and you'll catch a few bizarre scratches once in a great while. But you gain a lot in having a wide open rack; as Bob Jewett once so eloquently put it, "even a drunk girl scout can run an open table."

- Steve

Well, I used to play Babe Cranfield when I was a kid and he blasted the pack. The cue ball always double kicked through the pack. He almost never scratched. He use to run 250, 350 and more on many occasions. Even ran 450, 550 and higher... He learned from the old guys just as they learned from the old guys. Unbelievable 14.1 player.