Some fans might prefer to see both players participate in every rack. There would be no dead simple run-outs with six straight ins after three balls were made on the break.
Safe break in 10 ball, another Duel special.
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Corey's always trying new stuff, that's what makes him entertaining to watch. That being said,
I've seen the safe break tried in both 8 ball and 10 ball and it backfired on the person both times. Both were against me in national championships, and both times there were trouble getting the balls to go and the player was (and I'm not ashamed to admit it) superior to me in skill. The problem is, that even if the player is better, you do surrender the initiative this way, and getting the first shot is so important. In both cases (it was alternate break) i broke them hard and finally found a way to make balls go and just ran out on my innings and he couldn't beat me every time on his innings.
In a winner break format it could make sense, but then again you never get to win more than one rack at the time, which means you cannot make any mistakes. This puts A LOT of pressure on you! You need to be very confident (cocky) to assume you're going to outmaneuver your opponent every time (or even most of the time), when he gets the first shot every time, especially when the opponent is capable of running out and has some kicking knowledge or even good shotmaking. It also puts even more pressure on you if he strings a few racks together! Now you have to win one at the time from behind. That's just exhausting.
I've seen the safe break tried in both 8 ball and 10 ball and it backfired on the person both times. Both were against me in national championships, and both times there were trouble getting the balls to go and the player was (and I'm not ashamed to admit it) superior to me in skill. The problem is, that even if the player is better, you do surrender the initiative this way, and getting the first shot is so important. In both cases (it was alternate break) i broke them hard and finally found a way to make balls go and just ran out on my innings and he couldn't beat me every time on his innings.
In a winner break format it could make sense, but then again you never get to win more than one rack at the time, which means you cannot make any mistakes. This puts A LOT of pressure on you! You need to be very confident (cocky) to assume you're going to outmaneuver your opponent every time (or even most of the time), when he gets the first shot every time, especially when the opponent is capable of running out and has some kicking knowledge or even good shotmaking. It also puts even more pressure on you if he strings a few racks together! Now you have to win one at the time from behind. That's just exhausting.
Corey thinks outside the box, most of us don't, I can't blame him for that. I do remember a one pocket match that he was hooked on a ball, told the ref there was something on the cue ball. After the ref cleaned the cue ball and put the cue ball back, he could see the ball and made the shot. Even his opponent laughed about that move. Classic Corey.
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I find this funny. Remember when Jayson took a picture of Shane's rack with gaps all over the places and Shane responded with "The rules do not say the rack has to be tight". Pot calling the kettle black in my opinion. Players think some rules are bendable while others should be followed to a T based on who gains the advantage.
Other than rattling his opponents, what advantage does Corey get from the mush break?
The opponent gets a push out and they probably get the shot back. After their push out Corey gets a pile of balls that are a tough run out.
I would think the advantages of pocketing a ball and running out or playing a lock safe far exceed any advantage he may get from the mush break.
Other than irritating SVB, has he won with this?
The opponent gets a push out and they probably get the shot back. After their push out Corey gets a pile of balls that are a tough run out.
I would think the advantages of pocketing a ball and running out or playing a lock safe far exceed any advantage he may get from the mush break.
Other than irritating SVB, has he won with this?
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I agree, and I would be one of them. But then here on AZB you would have a huge thread titled "9 ball is so slow....."
Most people on here constantly ***** about how boring straight pool and one pocket are, and would disagree with a 9 ball solution that slows the game down.
The "push out anytime, 2 foul BIH" players would agree with you.
That is very true, I think you should not play on both sides of the fence. Be honorable in your play or not. Is there a rule that the balls have to be touching??
Trent
There is a long thread about it on here somewhere. I believe most of the rule sets say the balls should be racked as tightly as possible. Any player would go ballistic if they got that rack from an opponent when opponent is racking.
Hello Bob. I firmly believe that pool is a local sport first. If I can fix the problem here in my home town, then the problem is fixed. It has been fixed for 10 years. Not only do the "No Conflict Rules" work, they also enhance the competition and improve the player dynamic. Nine-Ball becomes a better game.
I also instituted a "no short game" rule. Early 9s are spotted either end (shooter's choice). No three-foul rule. Play every game out! Somehow, the players find it more satisfying.
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Both the WPA (world-standardized) rules and the CSI rules (used by BCAPL and USAPL) say "as tightly as possible" for 8-, 9-, and 10-Ball. The CSI rules go on to say "Each ball should touch all balls adjacent to it." That latter sentence may require racking more tightly than possible!
Woe is me
The look on Shane's face is priceless and by now he should not be surprised by Corey doing any and every thing "legal" to gain advantage.
Corey is not in the same "league" as Shane and I doubt any of his breaking tricks will ever help him to make a good living at playing pool and consistently winning big tournaments. But, I do enjoy some of the creativity he comes up with.
The look on Shane's face is priceless and by now he should not be surprised by Corey doing any and every thing "legal" to gain advantage.
Corey is not in the same "league" as Shane and I doubt any of his breaking tricks will ever help him to make a good living at playing pool and consistently winning big tournaments. But, I do enjoy some of the creativity he comes up with.
FWIW Corey won basically every tournament he entered in the early 2000s until they started changing the breaking rules. He was at the top of the heap for a long time and is still capable of winning any tournament he enters. It looks like a fair amount of data is missing but he has $934,628.00 in earnings recorded on AZB since 1998.
Titles won listed from 2001-2005:
US Open 9-Ball Championships- 2001
Sudden Death 7-Ball - 2001
All Japan Championship - 2001
BCA Open - 2001
Reno Open - 2001
IBC Nanki Classic - 2002
Atlanta Pro Open - 2002
Patriot Cup - 2003
Sudden Death 7-Ball - 2004
UPA Pro Tour Championship - 2005
This thread reminds me of something I witnessed at Derby City this year. I was watching the match when Jayson Shaw quit against Shane and I was talking with Shane right before him and Jayson had their argument and I was standing 2 feet from them while they had their argument. Later in the day I was standing next to Corey and some mutual friends and he was complaining about Shane doing stuff to the rack. I don't know Corey well enough to call him out on his hypocrisy. He is the biggest rack mechanic of all of them so I find it ironic that Corey would complain about anyone's rack.
No need to exaggerate so much. For the 5-year period you mentioned, the AzB database shows him winning 15 events out of 84 finishes in the money. And I imagine he finished out of the money once in a while.
[Yes, he was playing super back then.]
Well......
Hey nine_ball6970,
I enjoy watching Corey play. But, he ain't in the same league as Shane and the almost 20 years earnings you quote average out to less then $50,000 a year.
No matter how it is counted, that is not a lot of yearly income when you think about no insurance or retirement plan.
But, I wish him well in his future. You too!
Hey nine_ball6970,
I enjoy watching Corey play. But, he ain't in the same league as Shane and the almost 20 years earnings you quote average out to less then $50,000 a year.
No matter how it is counted, that is not a lot of yearly income when you think about no insurance or retirement plan.
But, I wish him well in his future. You too!
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You are right. AZB does not track everything but 1 million in earnings puts him at #12 on the all time list. It is sad that even the very good players don't make a good living from tournaments.
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Hah...listen to his interviews. He is well aware (i think appreciative, too) that pool has kept him from getting a real job forEVER.
This video is a precursor to what happened recently at 4 bears in the 9 ball semifinal. Corey was up 2-1 and simply inspected Shane's rack. Corey turned around and walked back to the chair without saying anything. Shane broke and scratched. Shane raked the balls and then forfeited the match.
Perhaps Corey wanted to be sure it was known he is not the only one to game the rack...share the infamy, ya know?