Sarah Ellerby vs Jennifer Chen (How would you rule?)
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Da Poet said:
I also think that the fact that they are allowing so much time to go by before making a decision is just ridiculous....and will ultimately mean nothing. Not too dissimilar from waiting until you come home to discipline a puppy for peeing on the carpet while you were away...if you do not address the issue immediately; the discipline is lost on them.
Lisa <====thinks the WPBA has taken a serious credibility hit for their inaction with regards to this issue.
In the end this won't mean much IMO. With the economy so bad, travel , food, lodging, double what they were just three years ago I can't see many left on the tour by next year. Maybe 32 players...but that's not a pro tour.
Five days is way too long for a 64 player tournament. When you have just the top few showing up every week along with some that are sponsered...who's goinlg to show up to watch? Johnnyt
Five days is way too long for a 64 player tournament. When you have just the top few showing up every week along with some that are sponsered...who's goinlg to show up to watch? Johnnyt
I will say this, though. for the most part our board is awesome and hard working. They have been doin a great job. there are only little things and actions such as this that I am disapointed in. Mostly the process of things, like what we are talkin about now. Melissa and others on the bourd including Belinda are great people and board members. you couldn't put a price on what Belinda is worth and I know that they will be fighting to do the right thing. They have pool in their heart.
johnnyt - about the tournaments taking to long. What would you think of having top players seeded out and then leave the tournament open and do preliminary rounds to see who made it to the main event. All people making it to the main event would be in the money and that is when the top players would come in. The prelims would take far less time so it would be less expensive and if you made it through it would be worth it. This should be on another discussion, maybe some one should bring it up on a thread. to get ideas for a more economical way to have a tour.
I only wish that pool would come up to par with other professional organisations and have an extensive set of rules of etiquette that cover any myriad of situations as the one that happened here.
Maybe get an attourney involved and really do it right.
I know Belinda and her heart is in the right place, but if all this was written down to begin with, this would leave very little subjective decision making to the board.
Of course, they would refer to their rules and rule accordingly.
I wouldn't be so adamant about this if I didn't have a couple of run ins with first the PBA and then the UPA.
It can leave the pool player who wants to play by the rules a little frustrated that nothing is done to those who violate them.
Just my 2 cents.
Danny
Maybe get an attourney involved and really do it right.
I know Belinda and her heart is in the right place, but if all this was written down to begin with, this would leave very little subjective decision making to the board.
Of course, they would refer to their rules and rule accordingly.
I wouldn't be so adamant about this if I didn't have a couple of run ins with first the PBA and then the UPA.
It can leave the pool player who wants to play by the rules a little frustrated that nothing is done to those who violate them.
Just my 2 cents.
Danny
I think there is a lot of truth in what yiu say, DannyK. We ARE in a small industry unlike many of the main stream sports and I think this is why there is a lot of buddy buddy things that go on in our tours. The WPBA has been the best when it comes to fairness and trying to do things more profesionaly. But there still is a lot that could be improved on. There are so many conflicts of interest within the billiard industry and I think that it is b/c of it's small stature. When it starts to grow( and I believe that it is) that is when we will see and feel the growing pains
Monica, Just because you are small doesn't mean you can't be thorough and exhaustive with the rules that govern behavior in pool.
The way to take it out of the "Buddy Buddy" situation is to have the rules written down so that the "Buddies" can't do their back door thing.
A saying from Benjamin Franklin goes something like this "Let us put this contract in pen, so we'll be friends to the end."
Danny
The way to take it out of the "Buddy Buddy" situation is to have the rules written down so that the "Buddies" can't do their back door thing.
A saying from Benjamin Franklin goes something like this "Let us put this contract in pen, so we'll be friends to the end."
Danny
monica said:
Monica,
This is something I suggested back in the mid 90's..... it just makes more sense. Top 32 (or 16) start play on Friday..... others start Wed or Thur depending on venue and tables (doesn't even have to be at the Main Event location)......play until you fill out the remainder of the field.... then everyone is in the money. This would save the pros and the qualifiers a bit of money and time. For the qualifiers, they would just have to get to the venue and once there, if they qualify, no further travel expenses. Pros would save by not having to come in early.
This has always been a bit of a deal with me..... back in 95 or 96, I don't remember.....there was a tournament in New Orleans (I lived in Baton Rouge)... when I asked about the qualifiers, I was told the two for that event were in New York and Hawaii (if I remember correctly). Just wouldn't make sense for me (or anyone) to pay the kind of money it would take to travel to those qualifiers for an event in my backyard.
I believe that many, many local or regional players would give it a shot to try to qualify for events if it was more reasonable. The regional tours are great but still do not have enough of them to reach all areas of the country and if the point of all of this is to increase the support of our sport, we need to try to be reaching everyone we can. Keep the tour qualifiers going, let them come in with the pro's... but there should always be an event to qualify additional players at every pro event (IMHO).....
BTW, how are you guys?
Tammie Jones
well checking out the brackets for the wpba event that's happening now sarah elbow-by is in it and playing.
so she wasn't banned and she wasn't fined or anything it seems. i guess it's okay to elbow other players and sharking is allowed.
wwe-pba.
so she wasn't banned and she wasn't fined or anything it seems. i guess it's okay to elbow other players and sharking is allowed.
wwe-pba.
Well, the next tournament has started with no mention to the public (via "little birdies" or official releases). I guess many fans will definitely view that as sweeping things under the rug.
While I could not care less about elbowing part of it; I definitely feel that players attempting to deny obvious fouls should be disciplined in some fashion. It threatens the integrity of the game, it occurs frequently enough for even the casual fan to witness occasionally (I've seen it twice in 6 or 7 tournaments), and is a big black eye for the sport.
The WPBA has a terrific product; but such behavior definitely detracts from the perceived professionalism of the players. I expect such behavior from the men, but think the WPBA should not permit it (as it appears they are doing), and should take steps to discourage it (as it appears they are not doing). JMO (and yes, I am very interested in hearing the thoughts and speculations of all forum members....that's what the forum is for).
While I could not care less about elbowing part of it; I definitely feel that players attempting to deny obvious fouls should be disciplined in some fashion. It threatens the integrity of the game, it occurs frequently enough for even the casual fan to witness occasionally (I've seen it twice in 6 or 7 tournaments), and is a big black eye for the sport.
The WPBA has a terrific product; but such behavior definitely detracts from the perceived professionalism of the players. I expect such behavior from the men, but think the WPBA should not permit it (as it appears they are doing), and should take steps to discourage it (as it appears they are not doing). JMO (and yes, I am very interested in hearing the thoughts and speculations of all forum members....that's what the forum is for).
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Eieio59 said:
Very good idea here! Most pro tours in other sports have a qualifier tourney immediately prior to the main tour event. Why not have a qualifier that brings four new players into the field each week? That still leaves 60 spots for the regular tour players.
Physical stuff from the men is one thing, bad as it is.
However, when the women engage in it, it tells me a lot about them, and what it tells me isn't flattering at all.
All it would take, I think, is for someone to file a complaint with the police. Are those called assault and battery charges? That would really get attention.
Flex
However, when the women engage in it, it tells me a lot about them, and what it tells me isn't flattering at all.
All it would take, I think, is for someone to file a complaint with the police. Are those called assault and battery charges? That would really get attention.
Flex
That's a great idea, Tammy. I think for one thing, the double elimination format was introduced to pool because hotels and casinos wanted everyone to stick around and spend more money.
Your idea would certainly make it more expedient for everyone.
You could also entertain the best two of three sets, like tennis so when a player loses they can go home.
Your idea would certainly make it more expedient for everyone.
You could also entertain the best two of three sets, like tennis so when a player loses they can go home.
okay, a little birdie told me that all elbow-by got was a warning. too many verbal complaints and no WRITTEN complaints - which is how the wpba operates - if you got a problem you have to write it up.
oh, and i heard some players were warned not to be coming online telling all the dark scary secrets of the wpba.
and the last thing i heard was elbow-by's walking around smug as a bug cause she got away with one.
---just some of the things i'm hearing, no proof to any of it
oh, and i heard some players were warned not to be coming online telling all the dark scary secrets of the wpba.
and the last thing i heard was elbow-by's walking around smug as a bug cause she got away with one.
---just some of the things i'm hearing, no proof to any of it
BrooklynJay said:
Dang, that's too bad. Maybe the WPBA ladies can make up a fake screen name so that they can spill the dirt without getting in trouble for it!
Or they can just pass their info on to Brooklyn Jay and you can fill us in.
That's quite a shame that they aren't taking these reports more seriously. When the ladies reported it verbally, were they told to write it up, or was the "in writing" requirement just conveniently pointed out once it was too late?
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Cuebacca said:Dang, that's too bad. Maybe the WPBA ladies can make up a fake screen name so that they can spill the dirt without getting in trouble for it!
Or they can just pass their info on to Brooklyn Jay and you can fill us in.
That's quite a shame that they aren't taking these reports more seriously. When the ladies reported it verbally, were they told to write it up, or was the "in writing" requirement just conveniently pointed out once it was too late?
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