Sarah Ellerby vs Jennifer Chen (How would you rule?)
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Thanks for bringing this back up Johnnyt. Is there still no word on how this alleged incident was further handled and concluded?
I believe the that the Women's governing body has to have rules governing the entire sequence of events that happened here; the infraction, finding out about it after matches have been played, and being retroactive in disqualifications or forfeits, even after the fact.
The referee let the match continue, but the physical confrontation wasn't found out by any officials until after the match was finished. So the tournament director might not have the final say in the matter.
The retroactive rule should be that she forfeits the match for unsportsmanlike behavior, and any matches thereafter played.
The referee let the match continue, but the physical confrontation wasn't found out by any officials until after the match was finished. So the tournament director might not have the final say in the matter.
The retroactive rule should be that she forfeits the match for unsportsmanlike behavior, and any matches thereafter played.
this sarah sounds nice what does she look like? and is she single?
WPBA Code of Conduct
I thought there is already a clear Code of Conduct in place where WPBA member is to be held accountable for every actions during the entire duration of any event. Isn't that why they cannot gamble during the event or so many miles within the establishment?
S.
Danny Kuykendal said:
I thought there is already a clear Code of Conduct in place where WPBA member is to be held accountable for every actions during the entire duration of any event. Isn't that why they cannot gamble during the event or so many miles within the establishment?
S.
If the decision won't be made until the players meeting then she will play in the OPEN. I don't believe they would let her come all that way just to say you can't play. I'm going to go with she get's a little slap on the wrist and anyone that spoke up will feel more heat than her. JohnnytBarbara said:
Johnnyt said:
Johnnyt,
I feel that the WPBA won't find this incident "egregious" and will probably fine Sarah a set amount. It would have to be a pretty bad incident to ban a player from an event. And legally, you could be preventing a player from earning quite a few thousand instead of a few whatever <insert dollars here> of paying a fine for violating WPBA player conduct rules.
Barbara
how to handle this for all sports
Too often sports figures and celebrities are able to get away with things that the average joe does not.
Jennifer should have reported the assault to the local police. The police would have taken the word of the said witness and Sarah would have been carted off to jail. Obviously she would not have been able to continue in the tournament. Jennifer could have then possibly obtained a no contact order which could have possibly prevented Sarah from attending any event that Jennifer was competing in. Now that would be just punishment according to how it works for the average joe.
I would like to see this in all sports. If you get into a physical altercation outside of the realm of the sport, you are carted off to jail and are handled according to the standards that the average joe has to abide by. It pains me to see hockey fights or scraps in the NBA where there are cops sitting right there watching two people fight and they do nothing. If someone sitting in the stands shoves someone else, they are carted right to jail. This is a double standard that has gone on for far too long if you consider the fact that these people will be on the top of the role model lists for youngsters.
One of my friends got into an altercation with his girlfriend. She was angry at him and she started swinging and scratching him so he naturally pushed her the h3ll away. She called the cops and they promptly came out and arrested him for the shove and he ultimately got charged with a felony. A FELONY! Now the guy cannot ever hold a job in the insurance or banking industry or ever participate in any more hunting seasons with his family. All of this over trying to keep an emotionally unstable person from attacking him.
Sorry for the rant but I get tired of the double standards in America. Also, I don't have any idea if any of what was posted about Jennifer or Sarah is true or not. I'm just simply stating my opinion of how to handle the situation if said arguments are in fact true statements.
Too often sports figures and celebrities are able to get away with things that the average joe does not.
Jennifer should have reported the assault to the local police. The police would have taken the word of the said witness and Sarah would have been carted off to jail. Obviously she would not have been able to continue in the tournament. Jennifer could have then possibly obtained a no contact order which could have possibly prevented Sarah from attending any event that Jennifer was competing in. Now that would be just punishment according to how it works for the average joe.
I would like to see this in all sports. If you get into a physical altercation outside of the realm of the sport, you are carted off to jail and are handled according to the standards that the average joe has to abide by. It pains me to see hockey fights or scraps in the NBA where there are cops sitting right there watching two people fight and they do nothing. If someone sitting in the stands shoves someone else, they are carted right to jail. This is a double standard that has gone on for far too long if you consider the fact that these people will be on the top of the role model lists for youngsters.
One of my friends got into an altercation with his girlfriend. She was angry at him and she started swinging and scratching him so he naturally pushed her the h3ll away. She called the cops and they promptly came out and arrested him for the shove and he ultimately got charged with a felony. A FELONY! Now the guy cannot ever hold a job in the insurance or banking industry or ever participate in any more hunting seasons with his family. All of this over trying to keep an emotionally unstable person from attacking him.
Sorry for the rant but I get tired of the double standards in America. Also, I don't have any idea if any of what was posted about Jennifer or Sarah is true or not. I'm just simply stating my opinion of how to handle the situation if said arguments are in fact true statements.
Johnnyt said:
Johnnyt,
Even if she gets a little slap on the wrist this time, I think it will be a great step in foward than bad. It will send an alarming signal to Sarah E. that she will be watched under a microscope, not just by her peers but from the fans as well. And any wrong move made after, even if it's very minute, she will be harshly dealt with. I don't think she will have much shielding from ANYONE after this judgement.
S.
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The WPBA may have a code of conduct, but do they spell out penalties for the infractions under similar circumstances that happened in this event?
Too much is left up to subjective evaluation instead of spelling out the punishment before the violation is made.
How about something like
"it states in rule such and such that any player exhibiting any type of physical assault directed toward another player will retroactively forfeit the match in question, and all matches played thereafter before the violation was reported"
And, then a fine can be levied on a more subjective basis depending on the severity of the violation.
This way all persons who break this rule will be punished the same way, instead of leaving it up to a subjective decision made later that could vary from one player to the next.
Too much is left up to subjective evaluation instead of spelling out the punishment before the violation is made.
How about something like
"it states in rule such and such that any player exhibiting any type of physical assault directed toward another player will retroactively forfeit the match in question, and all matches played thereafter before the violation was reported"
And, then a fine can be levied on a more subjective basis depending on the severity of the violation.
This way all persons who break this rule will be punished the same way, instead of leaving it up to a subjective decision made later that could vary from one player to the next.
You would think that a tour that's been around over 20 years would have a set of rules in place and a punishment for breaking any of them. Ya know...like black and white. Then again some people don't like it so cut and dry...they like to have the power to treat each person differently. Johnnyt
This won't work.Danny Kuykendal said:
If you "retroactively forfeit" matches, that means the former losers of those matches are now winners. Any subsequent matches, involved in those brackets, would have to be replayed with the designated winner. Assuming that several rounds of play would go by, before any assault was reported and verified, this would totally screw up a tournament.
Yes, You're right about that. When the match is played after the one with the infraction you can't reverse it. So if it's not found out until after matches are played the person can forfeit prize money? Or, like in other professional sports, not be allowed to play in the next event.
It's a tough call. I only know that after playing in many pro men's events that the lack of rules written down is astounding.
Everyone tends to "Shoot from the hip".
I know the WPBA is more organised than any of the men's organisations, I think they could probably do a little more though.
It's a tough call. I only know that after playing in many pro men's events that the lack of rules written down is astounding.
Everyone tends to "Shoot from the hip".
I know the WPBA is more organised than any of the men's organisations, I think they could probably do a little more though.
The biggest roadblock is probably this creepy notion that Melissa Herndon supports that somehow things like this are a private matter between two players. Personally, I think any member of the WPBA who supports this way of handling things should seriously start thinking about getting into a new line of work.
So what if Sarah E. gets fined or suspended? Maybe she had other plans anyway who knows? If you're not going to publicly disclose any decision on fines, warnings, or suspensions, what's the point of having the rules in the first place?
In any situation, keeping someone's personal and physical misconduct a private matter simply enables it to happen again.
So what if Sarah E. gets fined or suspended? Maybe she had other plans anyway who knows? If you're not going to publicly disclose any decision on fines, warnings, or suspensions, what's the point of having the rules in the first place?
In any situation, keeping someone's personal and physical misconduct a private matter simply enables it to happen again.