Scam or failed business venture?

jjinfla

Banned
Why do people insist on calling the IPT a scam? And not a failed business venture?

I am sure that even if the IPT had paid out the prize money for Reno people would still insist on calling it a scam.

I personally think the ride is over. KT finally came to his senses and sees that there is no money to be made in pool. But where is the scam?

I wish someone would explain to me how KT scammed anyone.

It seems to me that the big loser in the IPT is KT. It seems to me he is the one who got scammed.

Maybe he figures the world is really going to end in 2012 and he just wanted to throw away a bunch of money. (Most likely not really as much as everyone thinks. But still quite a lot.) Or maybe he wanted to have fun losing money so that he could offset profits from another business of his. Or maybe he did think he could run a scam with the qualifiers but it just did not work out.

I suppose we will never know. Unless, of course, he writes a book depicting his foray into the world of pool.

Jake
 
Yeah.....his past doesnt reflect him as being the type to scam anyone (<---- sarcasm). I think it was a total scam. He dumped some money in, which he will write off, then tried to sell it for a large profit (leaving the new owner(s) holding the bag with the debts. To me, that sounds alot like a scam.

Southpaw
 
I'd Buy It !

jjinfla spake thusly:
I suppose we will never know. Unless, of course, he writes a book depicting his foray into the world of pool.
Jake


Ah, The Blue Book of Pool Tours !

Doug
 
There is no evidence of anything other than some management mistakes at the moment.

But if the 2007 season doesn't go ahead, then all IPT members and qualifier and even mini-qualifier entrants and organizers will have been cheated. The 100k guarantee for 2007 is a big part of the reason that players have invested so much time, effort and money and organizers have gone out of their way to help give players a chance.

I certainly hope 2007 is going ahead pretty much according to the original plans.

Colin
 
I think it WAS a failed business venture, but when it became clear that his business plan was unsustainable, it quickly became something else.

I believe kt knew before reno, he no longe had funds to operate. He cancelled london because of this, and called it something else. Not sure if someone can call it a scam, but i believe he allowed reno to take place with the full understanding that afer the event there would be no payouts.

Furthermore, scam or not, he is still collecting 2 grand from anyone willing to enter a qualifier, and until reno is paid, the ipt in reality, no longer exists as a viable entity.

I think you can get hung up on semantics if you like, but at best kt grossly underestimated this venture, at worst, there might exist a paper trail depicting an intention to defraud,depending on the time line of events as relative to his account balances.

Ultimately, it doesnt matter what you or I call it, though. What matters most is that the players are paid immediately. If payment isn't forthcoming, it would be better for all those involved, or hope to be, for the ipt to close up shop and end this fiasco before anyone else takes a financial beating.

rg
 
NYC cue dude said:
I think it WAS a failed business venture, but when it became clear that his business plan was unsustainable, it quickly became something else.

I believe kt knew before reno, he no longe had funds to operate. He cancelled london because of this, and called it something else. Not sure if someone can call it a scam, but i believe he allowed reno to take place with the full understanding that afer the event there would be no payouts.

Furthermore, scam or not, he is still collecting 2 grand from anyone willing to enter a qualifier, and until reno is paid, the ipt in reality, no longer exists as a viable entity.

I think you can get hung up on semantics if you like, but at best kt grossly underestimated this venture, at worst, there might exist a paper trail depicting an intention to defraud,depending on the time line of events as relative to his account balances.

Ultimately, it doesnt matter what you or I call it, though. What matters most is that the players are paid immediately. If payment isn't forthcoming, it would be better for all those involved, or hope to be, for the ipt to close up shop and end this fiasco before anyone else takes a financial beating.

rg


TAP TAP TAP.......................mike
 
I think it WAS a failed business venture, but when it became clear that his business plan was unsustainable, it quickly became something else.

Was there a buisness plan? It seeming to me like KT was winging it from day one. If there was a plan there must have been a budget! The fact that the prize money continued to rise didn't make any sense because there was no REAL competition.:confused:
I really think if the IPT had operated realistically and was open and encouraged discussion and co-operation, it might have worked- and might still work with some proper sponsership.
i don't think anyone would have expected this so soon because we were led to believe that everything was guaranteed.

Gabber
 
<<He dumped some money in, which he will write off, >>

Southpaw, with all due respect, you have no earthly idea how much if any money KT personally "dumped in."

Secondly, taking tax write offs is NOT a profit-making exercise. To have a tax loss write off, you must have LOST money. Fine, you may lose LESS because you can use those losses to offset other income but no one has ever gotten rich by taking tax losses.

But let's look at the word "scam" that has been so often used. In its broadest sense...according to Webster, it means ": a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation "

So BROADLY, if a tournament is created offering great sums of money with respect to which the promoter gave the impression of "guarantees" or a relative certainty of paying out what was "promised" and the payouts didn't take place, then that would, I must admit, be a "scam" in the broadest sense.

But in common usage, "scam" is usually taken to mean that the "scam artist" made money off the scheme. If a house painter promises a primer coat and two coats of paint and only slaps on one coat of paint without priming, then he has run a scam and has profitted from it.

I don't think there is any evidence that KT knew in advance that the IPT would not take the world by storm and create a frenzie of media revenue so I have to side with Jake that if the IPT folds or is hugely downsized in some buy out by Ho or someone else, it would qualify more as a failed business venture based, as most such failures are, on massive over-optimism than on a "scam" wherein someone was cheated and the scammer runs off with a lot of ill-gotten profits.
Regards,
Jim
 
Guaranteed?

How is that?

Anybody multiply 150 by $100,000.

That's 15 followed by 6 zeros.

Where would it come from.

I remember a guarantee from my youth.

$2 soldier, I guarantee you a good time.

Looks like the pool players and I have something in common, we both got...

Jake
 
<<Was there a buisness plan? It seeming to me like KT was winging it from day one. >>
I tend to agree. But some "business plans" like the nice lady starting her little auction business at her kitchen table which came to be known as E-bay, are highly intuitive...just hunches that often have spectacular outcomes...bad and good.

I didn't think that paying out 10-20 times the "normal" prize money for pro tournaments would, in and of itself, create a media frenzie and vast riches for the promotors. In fact, I thought the chances of that business model working were between slim and none. But I thought the EXACT same thing about Texas Hold 'Em which is now a multi-billion dollar world wide enterprise.

While I HATE IT if players are not being paid I think if you go back to the original motivation of the IPT, it was hoped that a Texas Hold 'Em feeding frenzie could be created that actually would be enormously beneficial to the players while making a ton of money for the IPT ownership.

I DO NOT think that KT entered this venture with any intent to pocket other people's money and run...and don't think he has. Is there anyone here who would take the following deal?

You get to keep every cent of KT's personal profits so far...if there are any...but you have to be willing instead to pay off his LOSSES....BEFORE Reno if there are any.

Any takers?

Finally, I'm just trying to be balanced here. BUT I do not in ANY WAY condone, approve of or attempt to justify the making of excuses and the telling of false stories about such things as the whereabouts of checks.
 
It appears the IPT will just be another historical SCAM. The egotists never operated the program correctly. Individuals who demand contol over operations, to be done their way, by all of the associative participants of the mentioned program, are generally followed because the egotistical individual has the purse strings, not necessarily the intelligence ot be the leader.

Huge sums of money, for a new format wasn't necessary. The promise of a livelihood for the Professionals was enough. Bi-weekly Sattellite Tournaments (spotted around the world, because it is an International Pool Tour), employing Pro-Ams for 6 continuos weeks, culminated by by-monthly Major Professional Extravagana would have incorporated many people into the workings of a REAL Professional Tour (the Professional & some Amatuer players, the Pool Rooms, the equipment manufacturers & the IPT)

The IPT never garnered the local, regional & world media coverage, which is a requirement for the program to have become a part of the world's household entertainment schedule. If the media becomes part of the program, the money will follow.

The IPT never really garnered any major Sponsors either, their monies would have been the bread & butter money to operate on.

Very poor Attendance was the first messenger of the IPT's failure.

But disaster was quick & the player's got cheated. The wannabees were stripped of any dream about Professional Pool. The IPT will go away with a shameless faded existance.

Personally I feel very sad about this, I have played Pool, Billiards & Snooker for 50 years. I have know many a talented player & many a equipment maker. I was very excited to think my chosen sport will rise up again & be a mainstream activity, which it really deserves to be.

If the Professional Players don't organize, they will never be a strong assocation.
 
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Struggling business venture

This is my first post on these boards so I might get flamed to hell and back, especially since my post tends to be on the positive side of the average on these boards, but after having lurked on these boards for over a year now, and being a total pool junkie that is highly interested in the outcome of the IPT business venture, I thought I’d jump in with my 2 cents.

I do not view the IPT as a scam nor can I given what I currently know nor do I view it as a failed business venture, YET. I think it’s better to classify the IPT as a fledgling business venture that is struggling to monetize it’s business plan. I think it’s still a business venture in progress and still has a chance to succeed. I think that KT had multiple ideas for this business and is trying to get one or more of those ideas to bear fruit and provide a positive cash flow. Unfortunately, there aren’t enough fans yet to make those ideas profitable.

1st I think that KT thought that if the IPT took off like poker has, he would get so much branding for his Natural Cures business, that he wouldn’t necessarily need to bring in any other advertisers at all. Whether or not the IPT made money as it’s own business entity, would be offset by the fact that he would have reached a whole new demographic for his Natural Cures business which would then be booming. In a way this would be good for him, because he could write off any losses with the IPT against his gains with Natural Cures creating a highly beneficial synergistic effect with the two businesses. I see that as a clever business idea that probably hasn’t paid off yet.

2nd I suspect that he thought he could add to his IPT income by also working with premier national advertisers while maintaining Natural Cures as the primary “sponsor” of the tour. That way, without taking away from his first idea, he’s able to make extra money. As a partner myself in an advertising related company, I’ve been impressed by his ability to land a couple of national advertisers already, Party Poker and Vonage come to mind, especially since those advertisers are getting very few eyes to actually see their products. It may be that they tried a small “Test Campaign” with the IPT to see if they received any benefit from their advertising. I doubt they did because I doubt they’ve been able to reach more than 10k or 20k people with these dollars and those are very low numbers of people to reach for national advertising. Of course, this might be lucrative already as I’m just speculating on numbers here and could be way off how much money the IPT received from these advertisers and the results of these advertising campaigns with the IPT.

3rd The IPT has created or is affiliated with quite a few high quality products that they should be very proud to have produced or worked out a relationship with a quality company. As pool people know, the Diamond tables are some of the best in the world and even the Sardo rack is what it is and serves it’s function well after you take the time to “train” the tables etc., they really do give good racks which is great for a high level pro tournament even if it isn’t all that practical for a pool hall or home use. The online streams and videos are both high quality, have great commentary, and growing in volume on their site. The events themselves have been first class. I was at the King of the Hill for everything but the final match, 12 hours a day with VIP seats and the production and the quality of pool in addition to being able to interact so directly with some of the best players in the world was amazing. My fiancé and I have even bought rooms at the Wynn already for this years KOTH which I fully expect/hope to happen. If they could only get people in the stands to watch these events, anyone that is remotely interested in competition or pool would love the experience. I assume that KT expected the stream of income coming from all of these different products to be higher than what he’s seen so far.

4th. While the qualifiers are not “income stream” in the strictest sense, as most of us know that pyramid shaped businesses don’t make it very far, it’s certainly a good idea and can help offset some of the expenses of running the other facets of the business. I don’t think he’s taking advantage of anyone here and I think he’s pretty close to the mark on pricing in that he wants to limit the participation to those people that are truly serious about playing on the tour or in these tournaments which also has the secondary benefit of keeping these tournaments from becoming unmanageable due to having too many entries.

5th I can imagine that KT also had/has plans to promote the players in the IPT as best he can and possibly make a little money as the promoter of these players as well. This hasn’t happened yet for a variety of reasons but I think it ultimately comes down to a lack of interest from a truly large mass of the US, European, or Asian public. If “no one” knows who they are, they have no value to him from this perspective or to an advertiser so a critical mass of people must be reached to make this viable.

6th. I’m sure that KT and the IPT staff have plenty of other ideas of which we haven’t seen yet to further monetize their current streams of income and to add new streams as well. Only time will tell what those will be.

I think that by offering huge prize payouts, KT thought he could reach or create a large mass of IPT fans through a viral marketing effect that resulted from the glamour of these payouts, similar to what happened for poker. That way, he didn’t have to have a marketing budget because he could pay the pool players good money and pay for his marketing all in one. While I think that poker and pool have a few things in common, I think there’s one fundamental difference, which is prohibitive to thinking of them as similar opportunities from a business/fan standpoint. In poker, a “fan” of poker or relative newby can get involved if they have enough money, and actually have a chance, though maybe a losing chance, but a chance to win in the short run against the pro poker players, while a beginner pool player or fan wouldn’t have a chance in hell winning against a pro pool player. Because of this, I think poker has a lot more attention from the arm chair warrior who says to himself, I can do that too, and then goes and plays with his buddies or enters some tournament in Vegas and gets lucky and then in turn, watches the World Poker Tour or the WSOP on TV every week.

I think ultimately, that’s where the roadblock has been for this business so far, there simply aren’t enough fans to provide significant income for the multiple income streams that the IPT has created. Without a critical mass, it cannot be a cash positive business, and the state of pool before the IPT came about, is a direct example of what is possible with the small group of hardcore, US pool fans. Not that these fans are doing anything wrong, I’m one of them myself, but there simply aren’t enough of us to provide an interesting demographic for advertisers to reach out to and without the advertisers money, or without a huge mass of fans far beyond the current total buying the products that the IPT has produced, the current business model with huge payouts isn’t going to work. I myself tried to spread the word about the IPT to my recreational or non pool playing friends after I attended the KOTH so that they could enjoy the sport at it’s best (and so they could see me on TV in the stands). Unfortunately, I don’t know how many of them, if any are still watching those programs and I don’t know if there are enough hardcore fans to provide a viral marketing effect for the tour. There is a possibility that if the IPT can reach all of the hardcore pool fans across the world, Europe, Asia, and wherever else pool is played, even if the general masses don’t support it, there might be enough people to support a less lucrative IPT that can still provide a healthy income for the top 150 players in the world. Either way, in my opinion, the IPT needs to seriously ramp up their marketing campaign in order to reach the general masses or to insure that they reach the hardcore fans across the world and hopefully, now that they have good products available for viewing on TV and their site, they will do just that.

I have so many more things to say having lurked on these boards for so long and have read so many threads about this subject, but I can tell this post is far beyond long already so I’ll draw to a close. :-) In closing, I’ll say that I’ve enjoyed these boards immensely for quite some time and have really enjoyed reading so many posts from people that are incredibly knowledgeable about pool and offer great insight into the current state our great sport finds itself in. To all the current IPT members and any of the qualifiers who played in the Reno tournament, I hope you all get your checks soon! To anyone on the IPT staff, if they read this stuff, I think in general you’re on the right track and have some awesome products, I just hope that you can reach the general masses or a big enough group of hard core fans to enjoy those products and provide the income needed to make the IPT, the IPT players, and everyone else involved lots of money in the future. Pool and billiards needs a pro tour like this to bring the sport to the masses and get the credit the sport and the hard working pro pool players truly deserve.
 
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GreatWyrm said:
This is my first post on these boards so I might get flamed to hell and back, especially since my post tends to be on the positive side of the average on these boards, but after having lurked on these boards for over a year now, and being a total pool junkie that is highly interested in the outcome of the IPT business venture, I thought I’d jump in with my 2 cents.

I do not view the IPT as a scam nor can I given what I currently know nor do I view it as a failed business venture, YET. I think it’s better to classify the IPT as a fledgling business venture that is struggling to monetize it’s business plan. I think it’s still a business venture in progress and still has a chance to succeed. I think that KT had multiple ideas for this business and is trying to get one or more of those ideas to bear fruit and provide a positive cash flow. Unfortunately, there aren’t enough fans yet to make those ideas profitable.

1st I think that KT thought that if the IPT took off like poker has, he would get so much branding for his Natural Cures business, that he wouldn’t necessarily need to bring in any other advertisers at all. Whether or not the IPT made money as it’s own business entity, would be offset by the fact that he would have reached a whole new demographic for his Natural Cures business which would then be booming. In a way this would be good for him, because he could write off any losses with the IPT against his gains with Natural Cures creating a highly beneficial synergistic effect with the two businesses. I see that as a clever business idea that probably hasn’t paid off yet.

2nd I suspect that he thought he could add to his IPT income by also working with premier national advertisers while maintaining Natural Cures as the primary “sponsor” of the tour. That way, without taking away from his first idea, he’s able to make extra money. As a partner myself in an advertising related company, I’ve been impressed by his ability to land a couple of national advertisers already, Party Poker and Vonage come to mind, especially since those advertisers are getting very few eyes to actually see their products. It may be that they tried a small “Test Campaign” with the IPT to see if they received any benefit from their advertising. I doubt they did because I doubt they’ve been able to reach more than 10k or 20k people with these dollars and those are very low numbers of people to reach for national advertising. Of course, this might be lucrative already as I’m just speculating on numbers here and could be way off how much money the IPT received from these advertisers and the results of these advertising campaigns with the IPT.

3rd The IPT has created or is affiliated with quite a few high quality products that they should be very proud to have produced or worked out a relationship with a quality company. As pool people know, the Diamond tables are some of the best in the world and even the Sardo rack is what it is and serves it’s function well after you take the time to “train” the tables etc., they really do give good racks which is great for a high level pro tournament even if it isn’t all that practical for a pool hall or home use. The online streams and videos are both high quality, have great commentary, and growing in volume on their site. The events themselves have been first class. I was at the King of the Hill for everything but the final match, 12 hours a day with VIP seats and the production and the quality of pool in addition to being able to interact so directly with some of the best players in the world was amazing. My fiancé and I have even bought rooms at the Wynn already for this years KOTH which I fully expect/hope to happen. If they could only get people in the stands to watch these events, anyone that is remotely interested in competition or pool would love the experience. I assume that KT expected the stream of income coming from all of these different products to be higher than what he’s seen so far.

4th. While the qualifiers are not “income stream” in the strictest sense, as most of us know that pyramid shaped businesses don’t make it very far, it’s certainly a good idea and can help offset some of the expenses of running the other facets of the business. I don’t think he’s taking advantage of anyone here and I think he’s pretty close to the mark on pricing in that he wants to limit the participation to those people that are truly serious about playing on the tour or in these tournaments which also has the secondary benefit of keeping these tournaments from becoming unmanageable due to having too many entries.

5th I can imagine that KT also had/has plans to promote the players in the IPT as best he can and possibly make a little money as the promoter of these players as well. This hasn’t happened yet for a variety of reasons but I think it ultimately comes down to a lack of interest from a truly large mass of the US, European, or Asian public. If “no one” knows who they are, they have no value to him from this perspective or to an advertiser so a critical mass of people must be reached to make this viable.

6th. I’m sure that KT and the IPT staff have plenty of other ideas of which we haven’t seen yet to further monetize their current streams of income and to add new streams as well. Only time will tell what those will be.

I think that by offering huge prize payouts, KT thought he could reach or create a large mass of IPT fans through a viral marketing effect that resulted from the glamour of these payouts, similar to what happened for poker. That way, he didn’t have to have a marketing budget because he could pay the pool players good money and pay for his marketing all in one. While I think that poker and pool have a few things in common, I think there’s one fundamental difference, which is prohibitive to thinking of them as similar opportunities from a business/fan standpoint. In poker, a “fan” of poker or relative newby can get involved if they have enough money, and actually have a chance, though maybe a losing chance, but a chance to win in the short run against the pro poker players, while a beginner pool player or fan wouldn’t have a chance in hell winning against a pro pool player. Because of this, I think poker has a lot more attention from the arm chair warrior who says to himself, I can do that too, and then goes and plays with his buddies or enters some tournament in Vegas and gets lucky and then in turn, watches the World Poker Tour or the WSOP on TV every week.

I think ultimately, that’s where the roadblock has been for this business so far, there simply aren’t enough fans to provide significant income for the multiple income streams that the IPT has created. Without a critical mass, it cannot be a cash positive business, and the state of pool before the IPT came about, is a direct example of what is possible with the small group of hardcore, US pool fans. Not that these fans are doing anything wrong, I’m one of them myself, but there simply aren’t enough of us to provide an interesting demographic for advertisers to reach out to and without the advertisers money, or without a huge mass of fans far beyond the current total buying the products that the IPT has produced, the current business model with huge payouts isn’t going to work. I myself tried to spread the word about the IPT to my recreational or non pool playing friends after I attended the KOTH so that they could enjoy the sport at it’s best (and so they could see me on TV in the stands). Unfortunately, I don’t know how many of them, if any are still watching those programs and I don’t know if there are enough hardcore fans to provide a viral marketing effect for the tour. There is a possibility that if the IPT can reach all of the hardcore pool fans across the world, Europe, Asia, and wherever else pool is played, even if the general masses don’t support it, there might be enough people to support a less lucrative IPT that can still provide a healthy income for the top 150 players in the world. Either way, in my opinion, the IPT needs to seriously ramp up their marketing campaign in order to reach the general masses or to insure that they reach the hardcore fans across the world and hopefully, now that they have good products available for viewing on TV and their site, they will do just that.

I have so many more things to say having lurked on these boards for so long and have read so many threads about this subject, but I can tell this post is far beyond long already so I’ll draw to a close. :-) In closing, I’ll say that I’ve enjoyed these boards immensely for quite some time and have really enjoyed reading so many posts from people that are incredibly knowledgeable about pool and offer great insight into the current state our great sport finds itself in. To all the current IPT members and any of the qualifiers who played in the Reno tournament, I hope you all get your checks soon! To anyone on the IPT staff, if they read this stuff, I think in general you’re on the right track and have some awesome products, I just hope that you can reach the general masses or a big enough group of hard core fans to enjoy those products and provide the income needed to make the IPT, the IPT players, and everyone else involved lots of money in the future. Pool and billiards needs a pro tour like this to bring the sport to the masses and get the credit the sport and the hard working pro pool players truly deserve.

Thank you for your post. You put a great deal of thought into this.
 
What, Me Blushing

The Great Wyrm (pronounced worm) sez:
In closing, I’ll say that I’ve enjoyed these boards immensely for quite some time and have really enjoyed reading so many posts from people that are incredibly knowledgeable about pool and offer great insight into the current state our great sport finds itself in.


Thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my little pea pickin' heart.
Doug
(it's nice to be recognized for my contributions)
 
Hi Great Wyrm,

You and your wife were part of the couple dozen fans who showed up at the KOTH. The rest were players and dealers.

You pretty much summed up the problems with the IPT.

I guess Kevin should have paid more attention to the man who drove that Gremlin rather than look down on him and ridicule him.

Jake
 
It is sad that no one is going to these events to watch. We had a great time ourselves and many of our friends were calling asking about updates while we were there. Even the VIP tickets are incredibly affordable given how many days you get them for.

Has anyone noticed if the North American or World Open had more fans watching at the event than the KOTH?

Thanks for the response to my posts, btw, I was surprised to see no one vehemently disagreeing with what I wrote. I guess you guys are being nice to a newby poster. :)

To follow up what I wrote before, I still think the tour has a chance, if more money comes in, probably from a buyout situation, like Ho Casinos. Ultimately, there needs to be more marketing but you can't very well take money from the players prize funds to pay for it so I don't know how that will happen without the influx of some serious capital and soon...

Maybe KT is waiting until the next fiscal year to sink more money into the tour as the IPT has run into some internal budget limit or something.

Here's hoping...
 
GreatWyrm said:
... Has anyone noticed if the North American or World Open had more fans watching at the event than the KOTH?
...
There were about 400 at the finals of the Reno tournament which was SRO. I'd guess this was about the same as Orlando.
 
Thanks for the info Bob.

Not sure about how many people were actually at the finals of the KOTH as we didn't get tickets for that final match and flew home. I'd say the "Mothership" stage they had for the finals could probably hold about 400 people, maybe a little less, and it seemed like it was full when I watched the Efren/Sigel match on TV.

The stands were mostly full during the rest of the KOTH event up near the first couple of tables, but almost empty down at the end depending on who was playing down there.

That said, there was plenty of extra room, especially the last couple of days as they didn't need as many tables. I was hoping that there would be more fans actually attending these last two events than the KOTH but it doesn't sound like it from what you were saying.
 
jjinfla said:
Why do people insist on calling the IPT a scam? And not a failed business venture?

I am sure that even if the IPT had paid out the prize money for Reno people would still insist on calling it a scam.

I personally think the ride is over. KT finally came to his senses and sees that there is no money to be made in pool. But where is the scam?

I wish someone would explain to me how KT scammed anyone.

It seems to me that the big loser in the IPT is KT. It seems to me he is the one who got scammed.

Maybe he figures the world is really going to end in 2012 and he just wanted to throw away a bunch of money. (Most likely not really as much as everyone thinks. But still quite a lot.) Or maybe he wanted to have fun losing money so that he could offset profits from another business of his. Or maybe he did think he could run a scam with the qualifiers but it just did not work out.

I suppose we will never know. Unless, of course, he writes a book depicting his foray into the world of pool.

Jake
The scam is not paying the players what is owed them. I agree, I think KT got involved in something he didn't know a lot about. He doesn't seem to be one to take his lumps and move on. Let's hope all of the negative hype is wrong and the players at least get what's owed them from the Reno tournament.
 
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