Schon cues don't sell

[trustyrusty]

Who on here do you think could identify 1 older spliced point Schon butt mixed in with 9 newer Schon butts if the butts (all of the same weight and balance point) were say, wrapped in brown paper so they could not be seen, and the same shaft were used on all 10 cues? And Im not talking about a 1 try thing.... if its so distinguishable that it could be easily done, maybe take that 1 in 10 chance and repeat the results 5 times..... or more with perfect results (the person picks the spliced point cue)..... shouldnt be a problem should it?
I would be HIGHLY impressed if someone got lucky and hit it once or more in that test..... and again, that IMO would be luck/probability rather than skill of being able to feel any difference.
Chuck

while I am the skeptical type myself, (though not ecaxtly the same thing) I saw a guy identify 6 different wedges (by brand) at a demo days only hitting 3 chips with each from around a practice green. We couldn't believe it, so he was asked to do it again, and didn't need 3 chips for a few the 2nd time around...CLICK - that's a Titleist Vokey, CLICK - that one's the Mizuno, etc. Some people MAY be able to do it.

 

[srs314]

It could be wrong, but I remember reading a few months ago that Alex's Schon warped and he retired it. If he shows up at Derby City maybe somebody can check that out.

He will be at the Derby. I know something happened to the cue but I didn't press to ask him what that was. I don't think it warped because that would simply mean replacing the Predator shaft.

Though he could probably perform with any cue he has his preference. Make, construction, how it looks do not mean that much. He cares about the balance and the thickness of the handle mostly. With comfort comes confidence in your equipment and that is possibly the biggest factor for top players.

I would say any decent cue manufacturer could make a cue Alex would be happy with.

 

[shinobi]

"Schon cues don't sell" -- yes they do. Pretty well overall, and exceptionally well for a production cue.

Also agree with posters that speculated that the $1500 MSRP cue was probably available brand new for $900 or less (new) and thus $500-600 for a used one isn't out of line. If you don't want to take a loss on a cue, I don't recommend paying MSRP regardless of the brand.

Sometimes I see people on here post Predator cues for sale and say "$1300 retail" even though 98% of dealers actually sold it new for hundreds less. Buyer beware, seller beware, traders beware :grin-square:

 

[woodyosborne]

selling my schon?

no i've had my schon sr6 since about 1991 and i just can't let it go. great cue then great cue now. i did have to replace the linen wrap and many tips, but that is it. forearm finish is still fine, very acceptable. butt piece is a bit dinged up over the years. i may hold on to it for 17 more years. runde/ clarke? i don't care.
a friend wants to buy my schon if i ever want to sell it but it isn't going anywhere. some of my cues don't have the appeal to me that says KEEP ME!!!!!, some do. my schon always has.

 

[SK Custom Cues]

I have a STL-7. It is a nice cue and plays well too. I hit my friend's Runde and it hit nearly the same as mine. The only real difference was when I hit a Runde with an old Szamboti forearm and micarta ferrule. Now that was a damn fine hitting cue. Schons do have a consistently good hit. For a cue maker to achieve this reveals true mastery in itself. Properties in wood and materials are extremely difficult to gauge and reproduce time and time again creating the same result. That alone deserves respect.

To me, Schon is the all time king of production cues and for the OP to state that it doesn't bring the dollars shows the experience level. The new Schons to me, are every bit as good as the older ones, just in a different way. I myself am a classic 4 pt guy but also see the value in the current line of Schons. Compare a Schon to a Joss, Meucci, Viking throughout the years or even do a search on ebay on the comparison of selling prices among these cues. I guarantee Schon will stand at the top. This current market will dictate just how low ALL cues can be sold for, but that shouldn't sway people into thinking that Schons don't hold their value. The only other production cue I can think of that could hold a torch to a Schon is a Mezz.

Around these parts,

James Walden uses a classic Clarke Schon. Shane McMinn (winner of the Shooter's ring game in '07 and runner up this year) uses a Clark Schon. Brian Jones used a Schon for a long time and played some of the best pool in his life with one. Tyler Strawn (Jr Natl Champ) used one too. You just don't hear that with any other production cue. Many of the 7 speeds and up use a Schon in my hometown not because they look good, or are popular, but because they can depend on it.

 

[Firecracker]

ok... here's my question(s) I have an older schon (not sure how old) I think from VERY early ninety's possible before. I bought it used in 97 or so and it was several years old then. It is a plain 4 pointer, rosewood and the point are "rounded" with a matching butt sleve. White (delirn?) butt cap. The original shaft has NO markings/words other than than the simple silver ring that matches the same in the butt.

1. what years were the "runde" era?
2. what year did the "rounded" points begin?
3. How can I tell the era of my Schon (the logo on the butt perhaps?)

whatever era it came from, it plays great!

I was wondering the same thing...can anyone answer these questions?

I bought my Schon from a friend many years ago. I believe it is a Level 3 STL6 from the late 80s. The first time I played with his cue, I knew I had to have it. I have tried other cues since, including Schons, and have never found one like it. To me, my Schon is just an extension of my arm.

 

[deanoc]

one of the things that action pool players hate to see is a knocker,one of the reason pool action is dyingf all over is KNOCKERS,THEY SELDOM ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT,AND ALMOST NEVER GET UP AND PLAY THEMSELVES BUT THEY DO GET SOME WARPED SATISFACTION IN KNOCKING,THEY ARE LIKE HOCKEY GOAL TENDERS,THEY NEVER MAKE A SCORE BUT TRY TO KEEP EVERYONE,ELSE from making one,if i offer a game and a knocker approaches me to warn me i usually pay no attention because some of my biggest scores occur when everybody in the room bets on my opponent.i like it like that.

this post reminds me of a knock,why don't schon cues sell?stupid question,they do sell,and they sell better than most because most people like the way they play.
consider the threat to destroy the cue,baloney,if you want to get rid of it send it to me

 

[RiverCity]

while I am the skeptical type myself, (though not ecaxtly the same thing) I saw a guy identify 6 different wedges (by brand) at a demo days only hitting 3 chips with each from around a practice green. We couldn't believe it, so he was asked to do it again, and didn't need 3 chips for a few the 2nd time around...CLICK - that's a Titleist Vokey, CLICK - that one's the Mizuno, etc. Some people MAY be able to do it.

2 different pieces of sporting goods.....
I dont know enough about golf to make an accurate comparison of how the butt of a cue compares to a golf club...... but I would say it would be like the grip.
Most of the playability of a cue is the shaft itself....UNLESS there is a construction problem with the butt of the cue that gives a click etc.
Chuck

 

[SK Custom Cues]

2 different pieces of sporting goods.....
I dont know enough about golf to make an accurate comparison of how the butt of a cue compares to a golf club...... but I would say it would be like the grip.
Most of the playability of a cue is the shaft itself....UNLESS there is a construction problem with the butt of the cue that gives a click etc.
Chuck

It is definitely two different types of sporting goods with the same characteristics pertaining to feel and construction.

I will not play with cavity back clubs and can definitely tell the difference between blades non blades. I have played Titleist Vokey's for a long time and have now switched to Mizuno R series wedges and would definitely be able to tell a difference. I can also tell a difference between a Wal-Mart club and a quality made club, but it would be hard to tell a difference between Callaway, Cleveland, ....etc.

Some people who are truly familiar with a certain brand or maker will be able to remember what the hit was like.

I can almost guarantee that the amount of people who could do this is just about the same amount of people who have perfect pitch!

 

[trustyrusty]

It is definitely two different types of sporting goods with the same characteristics pertaining to feel and construction.

I will not play with cavity back clubs and can definitely tell the difference between blades non blades. I have played Titleist Vokey's for a long time and have now switched to Mizuno R series wedges and would definitely be able to tell a difference. I can also tell a difference between a Wal-Mart club and a quality made club, but it would be hard to tell a difference between Callaway, Cleveland, ....etc.

Some people who are truly familiar with a certain brand or maker will be able to remember what the hit was like.

I can almost guarantee that the amount of people who could do this is just about the same amount of people who have perfect pitch!

the wedges in the test were Cleveland, Titleist, Callaway, Taylormade, Mizuno, and Nike...all visual cues were hidden (exact shape of head - round toe vs. more squarish etc.), no shaft bands, and all had non-discript Lamkin crossline grips. It was a true, "which FEELS best to you" test. Some felt EXACTLY the same to me, so, I couldn't have done it!! He named every single brand by chipping with them. If I hadn't seen it, I wouldn't have thought it possible. Some have more FEEL than others.

As far as the thread is concerned, I've played with a newer and an old Schon, and thought the hit was similar if not identical.....

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Made in 93 I was told. Probably not a Runde era. The original shaft has Schon stamped on the joint collar. Plays unbelievable tho. If anyone can help identifying the model I would appreciate it.
Couldn't find anything in the Blue Book.

 

[oldneo]

What?

one of the things that action pool players hate to see is a knocker,one of the reason pool action is dyingf all over is KNOCKERS,THEY SELDOM ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT,AND ALMOST NEVER GET UP AND PLAY THEMSELVES BUT THEY DO GET SOME WARPED SATISFACTION IN KNOCKING,THEY ARE LIKE HOCKEY GOAL TENDERS,THEY NEVER MAKE A SCORE BUT TRY TO KEEP EVERYONE,ELSE from making one,if i offer a game and a knocker approaches me to warn me i usually pay no attention because some of my biggest scores occur when everybody in the room bets on my opponent.i like it like that.

this post reminds me of a knock,why don't schon cues sell?stupid question,they do sell,and they sell better than most because most people like the way they play.
consider the threat to destroy the cue,baloney,if you want to get rid of it send it to me

What the hell are you talking about I made a post based on what I've done I tried to sell the cue and couldn't get squat for it, now with that said I had a nice trade offer an even trade my schon for a nice Dishaw that I think hits better. Maybe one of you schon experts can tell me why they glue the damn weight bolts in.

 

[JB Cases]

Who on here do you think could identify 1 older spliced point Schon butt mixed in with 9 newer Schon butts if the butts (all of the same weight and balance point) were say, wrapped in brown paper so they could not be seen, and the same shaft were used on all 10 cues? And Im not talking about a 1 try thing.... if its so distinguishable that it could be easily done, maybe take that 1 in 10 chance and repeat the results 5 times..... or more with perfect results (the person picks the spliced point cue)..... shouldnt be a problem should it?
I would be HIGHLY impressed if someone got lucky and hit it once or more in that test..... and again, that IMO would be luck/probability rather than skill of being able to feel any difference.
Chuck

I don't know. I don't know everyone's experience level with Schon cues. I know Danny Barouty and Joe Salazar are top notch players AND I know that both of them are very familiar with Schon cues. That's why I picked their two names.

I am sure that there are a few people on this board who could do it. I don't know who they are.

But like I said in the other thread I have seen identify all sorts of comparable things by feel, touch, performance, sound, and taste so I wouldn't be surprised to find people who are adept at naming cue brands or cues from the same brand but different eras by the way they hit.

 

[srs314]

Made in 93 I was told. Probably not a Runde era. The original shaft has Schon stamped on the joint collar. Plays unbelievable tho. If anyone can help identifying the model I would appreciate it.
Couldn't find anything in the Blue Book.

Very nice Schon! I love this style cue.

Anyway if you want it identified you should go to the best and email Evan Clarke at Schon, he has info on his site about what to send him so he gan give you all the info on it.

Go here for the email address and instructions.

http://www.schoncues.com/html/contact.html

Let us know what you find out, I'm interested too.

 

[hotrod]

Made in 93 I was told. Probably not a Runde era. The original shaft has Schon stamped on the joint collar. Plays unbelievable tho. If anyone can help identifying the model I would appreciate it.
Couldn't find anything in the Blue Book.

Appears to be a SL4

 

[deanoc]

they don't glue the weight bolts

 

[MJR77]

Are my "Runde" era socks worth more than my "Clark" era socks?

 

[oldneo]

Yes they do on some of them

they don't glue the weight bolts

Bullshit you have no clue what the hell your talking about I work in a pro shop and I have come across quite a few schon cues with the weight bolt glued in as a matter of fact a friend had to take his to a machine shope to get them to take it out, we tried heating up the bolt just to see if we could loosen the glue and nothing worked.

The next time you decide to comment on a subject know what the hell your talking about first schon cues doesn't do it with them all but he does it with quite a few. Maybe you should call him since you know so much about the cue.

 

[ugotactionTX]

I think someone hit a nerve....

calm down boys... we're all friends here:grin-square:

Bullshit you have no clue what the hell your talking about I work in a pro shop and I have come across quite a few schon cues with the weight bolt glued in as a matter of fact a friend had to take his to a machine shope to get them to take it out, we tried heating up the bolt just to see if we could loosen the glue and nothing worked.

The next time you decide to comment on a subject know what the hell your talking about first schon cues doesn't do it with them all but he does it with quite a few. Maybe you should call him since you know so much about the cue.

 

[trustyrusty]

Are my "Runde" era socks worth more than my "Clark" era socks?

only if you haven't taken them off since the Runde era. If they haven't disintegrated by now, them be the best damn socks EVER MADE!!