Ugly.........
Scott Frost broke his wrist this week
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Ugly.........
Exactly, but to think of all the money professional pool players save over the years sleeping on somebody else's couch they could afford health insurance.
OK, I am out of line here :wink:
true in NC & GA.
after $6K of non-diagnoses since DEC, and still needing our issues resolved, we turned to County Health (multiple facilities) in APR. they ALL, turned us away & sent us to the ER/hospital. and advised us that "they can't deny you".
yes, they can make you wait & wait for hours. but they can't make you pay. (they can try, but....)
He should call this guy:
Dr. Scot Frost
Specialties & Research
He has special expertise in 15 areas:
-Arthritis
-Arthroscopic Surgery (Arthroscopy)
-Bone marrow inflammation (Osteomyelitis)
-Bursitis / Adhesive Capsulitis
-Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
-Hip Osteoarthritis
-Hip Surgery (Hip Replacement Arthroplasty)
-Knee Osteoarthritis
-Knee Surgery (Knee Replacement Arthroplasty)
-Osteoarthritis (Hand and Wrist)
-Osteoporosis
-Osteotomy
-Rheumatoid Arthritis
-Sports Medicine
-Wrist Injury
http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Scot_Frost.html#ixzz35zEwo134
Dr. Scot Frost
Specialties & Research
He has special expertise in 15 areas:
-Arthritis
-Arthroscopic Surgery (Arthroscopy)
-Bone marrow inflammation (Osteomyelitis)
-Bursitis / Adhesive Capsulitis
-Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
-Hip Osteoarthritis
-Hip Surgery (Hip Replacement Arthroplasty)
-Knee Osteoarthritis
-Knee Surgery (Knee Replacement Arthroplasty)
-Osteoarthritis (Hand and Wrist)
-Osteoporosis
-Osteotomy
-Rheumatoid Arthritis
-Sports Medicine
-Wrist Injury
http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Scot_Frost.html#ixzz35zEwo134
I hope he has sought another opinion. All these Drs seem to want to refer you to some super specialist for another procedure. Right now i am on my fourth refusal of an operation or an additional operation, and so far there is no indication i needed ANY of them. One of them the next 3 drs told me i didnt even have the tear the first guy wanted to operate on.
I dont even get a second opinion anymore besides mine. The answer is just no. If any of them cause me serious further trouble, I'll take another look. Meanwhile it's been many many years on 2 of them and i avoided the sure agony of the operations.
I dont even get a second opinion anymore besides mine. The answer is just no. If any of them cause me serious further trouble, I'll take another look. Meanwhile it's been many many years on 2 of them and i avoided the sure agony of the operations.
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Thanks Pink Lady...I believe it is this way here in FL. Cocobolo Cowboy, would stabilization of a broken wrist be less that setting it? Fortunately I have medical, however, unfortunately I have been to the Mayo Clinic Emergency room 3 times. Step right in, no wait. There is a Mayo facility in Phoenix. If he is soliciting suggestions on Drs, this would be worth a try. It would be hard for them to turn him away. They will make him sign a form saying he is responsible for payment. They do with everyone. However, as Pink Lady said, that is foranther day.
FWIW, here are a few tips for all w/ no insurance, from my people across the country & personal experience:
- it's becoming a monopoly, so be careful. EX: our city hospital, merged w/ it's competitor hospital. then merged with 4 urgent cares in town. plus several large private practices. if ANY of the above pull you up in the system, they ALL can see if you've paid.
- when @ the ER, it is understandable that you might not have any ID on you (for obvious reasons). you can give them any name/address you want.
- when a "spouse" or "child/parent" takes you to the ER, they don't ask for proof. that person can sign all paperwork guaranteeing useless payment, as "Medical Power of Atty".
- the fastest way to get seen ASAP, is to mention: HEART ATTACK or ASTHMA ATTACK or STROKE. and on a scale of 1 to 10 pain, it's a 10. (i'm sure Scott's wrist is hurting so bad, that he might be having shortness of breath)
- exit out the front door, or waltz right past the payment window @ back door as if you're simply going outside to smoke.
- technically, you can't be held responsible for anything you sign, because you are under duress (applicable only to ER & Urgent Care).
- if you have 2nd or 3rd opinions, and they differ from previous, those can be used to negate original invoices.
- when all else fails, play the "single mother w/ no child support & no insurance" card. it'll get you 50%-100% discount.
for them, it's all about write-offs & grants & milking the insurance companies. (my firm also audited hospitals.) and playing the game....
*please don't think poorly of me personally; i'm trying to help. this is a conglomeration of info from my self-employed associates who have no insurance & dwindling income.
- it's becoming a monopoly, so be careful. EX: our city hospital, merged w/ it's competitor hospital. then merged with 4 urgent cares in town. plus several large private practices. if ANY of the above pull you up in the system, they ALL can see if you've paid.
- when @ the ER, it is understandable that you might not have any ID on you (for obvious reasons). you can give them any name/address you want.
- when a "spouse" or "child/parent" takes you to the ER, they don't ask for proof. that person can sign all paperwork guaranteeing useless payment, as "Medical Power of Atty".
- the fastest way to get seen ASAP, is to mention: HEART ATTACK or ASTHMA ATTACK or STROKE. and on a scale of 1 to 10 pain, it's a 10. (i'm sure Scott's wrist is hurting so bad, that he might be having shortness of breath)
- exit out the front door, or waltz right past the payment window @ back door as if you're simply going outside to smoke.
- technically, you can't be held responsible for anything you sign, because you are under duress (applicable only to ER & Urgent Care).
- if you have 2nd or 3rd opinions, and they differ from previous, those can be used to negate original invoices.
- when all else fails, play the "single mother w/ no child support & no insurance" card. it'll get you 50%-100% discount.
for them, it's all about write-offs & grants & milking the insurance companies. (my firm also audited hospitals.) and playing the game....
*please don't think poorly of me personally; i'm trying to help. this is a conglomeration of info from my self-employed associates who have no insurance & dwindling income.
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Wow, I don't even no where to begin with a post like this. You win the #1 scumbag post of the year! Some of these things are just immoral and some can get you thrown in jail. As a medical professional, this kind of stuff just disgusts me. There are ways to play the game right and legal, and then there are the ways you discuss. I hope no one takes advice from you.
So are you saying you ran up a bill, and now are one the run from what you owed? Or will do what ever necessary to avoid paying?
If so went the local ER closes, where will you go next for medical care?
Wow you know how to work the system, abuse the system, but like when you go shopping in Wal-Mart, those who pay, pay more for those who steal a few items.
i had no intent of offending you, hence my disclaimer @ the end. my post was 2-fold, which i'm sure you are familiar with if you're in the business i referred to:
- the Business's standpoint
- the consumer's standpoint
50% of our client-base was medical, and they paid us well. i'm out of that profession.
75% of my associates/clients are unemployed & no insurance & no more benefits & many bankrupt.
my post was about (Scott) needing a doctor & not having insurance & an inability to pay. both sides.
(i will add, that my Vegas rep bought himself the past 2.5 yrs with liver transplant, and no insurance & refused medicaid)
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no. i said that i know, that what i stated, occurs. both sides.
but FYI, i do get 50% discount w/ all my doctors - because cash talks.
yes. most accountants do.
and yes. i simply stated both sides.
But in the end when the local ER closes from those who did not pay, or the income did not equal the cost of operation. That those who stiffed the system can point to the closed ER and say proudly I helped close that medical facility.
BTW Scott's broken wrist is not a life threading injury, ibuprophin, ice, and elevation will reduce the swelling, and help with the pain.
But honestly maybe Scott should have consider taking some of his pool winning, and buying health coverage for a rainy day. It has rained, and he has no raincoat apparently.
All hospitals, and doctors are not evil blood sucking money hungry corporations. Some are but not all are.
My buddy who I mention earlier in this thread, had two people working in his office. Himself, his nurse, who was his wife. He never drove a big car, lived in a modest home, and was in medicine to help people.
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What is absolutely CRIMINAL is that
A hospital can and usually does charge an uninsured individual up to 5-8X more than they will accept from an Insurance company. One simple law could stop this but no one ever talks about it-except me.
Im sure the lawyers could change this to 3000 words but here is my version.
"Under no circumstances may a hospital bill an individual more than 150% of the amount that they accept from any Insurance Plan for the same service/procedure".
That allows them to still screw you a LITTLE and also recognizes volume discounts (the insurance plans) so it might have a chance at passing.
A hospital can and usually does charge an uninsured individual up to 5-8X more than they will accept from an Insurance company. One simple law could stop this but no one ever talks about it-except me.
Im sure the lawyers could change this to 3000 words but here is my version.
"Under no circumstances may a hospital bill an individual more than 150% of the amount that they accept from any Insurance Plan for the same service/procedure".
That allows them to still screw you a LITTLE and also recognizes volume discounts (the insurance plans) so it might have a chance at passing.
Bum Advice!
I tried that one, it didn't work! Guess I should have shaved off my beard first.
I had a doctor who scalped the insurance companies. Charged $100 for visits from patients with insurance, $35 cash. Only after I started keeping up his computer network did I discover that he received 35% of what he billed insurance companies! He was collecting the exact same amount from everybody, his billing was adjusted to make that happen.
Hu
I tried that one, it didn't work! Guess I should have shaved off my beard first.
I had a doctor who scalped the insurance companies. Charged $100 for visits from patients with insurance, $35 cash. Only after I started keeping up his computer network did I discover that he received 35% of what he billed insurance companies! He was collecting the exact same amount from everybody, his billing was adjusted to make that happen.
Hu
^^THIS^^
thank you, Hu. it's all i was trying to "level", in my post. facilities & doctors have negotiated rates w/ insurance companies @ 35%+/-. but the problem now is that they get paid @ Net 180+/+ by them. not Net 60. Net 180+/+.... cash talks.
yet they can write-off the 65% "loss". so that they can qualify for county, state, federal grants @ million$. it reconciles in the end. is it right? no. does it occur? yes.
my post, is a reflection on what many have unfortunately been reduced to, in the past 6 yrs. BOTH ways. if you're sick/injured; you can't work. if you can't work; you don't get paid. if you don't get paid; you can't pay your bills....
sorry i tried to help -
B] This is what I found in 1 click. [/B]
Dr. Waslewski is proud to be Orthopedic Surgeon for the NHL Phoenix Coyotes Hockey Team, the Arizona Cardinals Football team, and a traveling team physician for USA Hockey as well as spring training and minor league orthopedic surgeon for the Chicago Cubs and San Francisco Giants.
It does not take a genius to find a Surgeon, hooker, tires. It is easier in 2014 than it has ever been in history.
People today think their self importance and ego is above all. If I hear one more person say SERIOUSLY??? REALLY??? Because their wifi is out, or daddy told her she can't have a $3,000.00 prom dress, I am going to rip their vocal chords out.
Today, everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame, every 5 minutes, even on this site; let's celebrate because you reached your 1000th post.
The world is one big attention whore.
A day in the life of Social Media.
I just woke up, took a leak
Going to 7-11 for coffee, too hung over to make it
OMG the cashier in 7-11 was so slow
She overcharged me for coffee,,,,SERIOUSLY?? OMG
My balls itch....omg
My sister just called, my nephew scratched his knee, OMG
My sister called back, put a band aid on his knee... OMG
I am watching the world cup... OMG it's raining in Brazil
I might get a haircut tomorrow, maybe not
My sister called, she cut my nephews hair
I have to go buy new socks at wall mart, 3 pair for a dollar... omg
Shane went fishing...OMG
I am taking a shower, bought a waterproof case for my phone, its great
OOPS...just dropped the phone, landed on my toe, broke my toe...OMG
Does anyone know a Surgeon...OMG... my toe ring may never fit again
Etc Etc Etc
I broke my wrist, Give me an effin break
In the time it took to report that on facebook he could have found 3000 surgeons in Arizona, but...OMG, SERIOUSLY, REALLY, only 7000 of my nut hugger friends are paying attention to me.
Man up, you are not 5 years old
I am not saying this is Scotts plan, but...Find a Surgeon, pay your bill, don't cheat the system like a low life will, it will come back to bite you...Karma my friends
Just because someone jumps off the bridge do you do it also?
I don't care who cheats the system, illegals or anyone else...MAN UP
Dr. Waslewski is proud to be Orthopedic Surgeon for the NHL Phoenix Coyotes Hockey Team, the Arizona Cardinals Football team, and a traveling team physician for USA Hockey as well as spring training and minor league orthopedic surgeon for the Chicago Cubs and San Francisco Giants.
It does not take a genius to find a Surgeon, hooker, tires. It is easier in 2014 than it has ever been in history.
People today think their self importance and ego is above all. If I hear one more person say SERIOUSLY??? REALLY??? Because their wifi is out, or daddy told her she can't have a $3,000.00 prom dress, I am going to rip their vocal chords out.
Today, everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame, every 5 minutes, even on this site; let's celebrate because you reached your 1000th post.
The world is one big attention whore.
A day in the life of Social Media.
I just woke up, took a leak
Going to 7-11 for coffee, too hung over to make it
OMG the cashier in 7-11 was so slow
She overcharged me for coffee,,,,SERIOUSLY?? OMG
My balls itch....omg
My sister just called, my nephew scratched his knee, OMG
My sister called back, put a band aid on his knee... OMG
I am watching the world cup... OMG it's raining in Brazil
I might get a haircut tomorrow, maybe not
My sister called, she cut my nephews hair
I have to go buy new socks at wall mart, 3 pair for a dollar... omg
Shane went fishing...OMG
I am taking a shower, bought a waterproof case for my phone, its great
OOPS...just dropped the phone, landed on my toe, broke my toe...OMG
Does anyone know a Surgeon...OMG... my toe ring may never fit again
Etc Etc Etc
I broke my wrist, Give me an effin break
In the time it took to report that on facebook he could have found 3000 surgeons in Arizona, but...OMG, SERIOUSLY, REALLY, only 7000 of my nut hugger friends are paying attention to me.
Man up, you are not 5 years old
I am not saying this is Scotts plan, but...Find a Surgeon, pay your bill, don't cheat the system like a low life will, it will come back to bite you...Karma my friends
Just because someone jumps off the bridge do you do it also?
I don't care who cheats the system, illegals or anyone else...MAN UP
lol, (recently on General Hospital...) in a world like ours in which we celebrate the legendary road agents, the hustlers, and con men in stories, books, awards, a HOF, and even an encyclopedia fer goodness gracious sakes, it is more than a little funny for anyone to get their panties in a big ol' wad over something like this.
And, if you have ever gotten an itemized bill from a hospital for an operation and follow-up care you would know that some health care organizations are running the biggest legit scams in the country.
Lou Figueroa