Scott Gracio I want my cue or money back now.
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I stuck my nose in sam's business yesterday
He called and convinced me of the righteousness of his position
and asked me as a friend (or at least former friend of Scott)to appeal to scott
to make a full and public apology for his actions and present a reasonable plan to
make full restitution
since confession and restitution is consistent with the laws of God and good sense,I appeal to
Scott to make things right,and fully admit that the plan I proposed to pay off the debt was
seriously flawed although it seemed right at the time
I found Sam to be a reasonable man who had been wronged,and if my words which
I removed placed any wrong or implied anything to that opinion in any degree,I now apologize
dean
He called and convinced me of the righteousness of his position
and asked me as a friend (or at least former friend of Scott)to appeal to scott
to make a full and public apology for his actions and present a reasonable plan to
make full restitution
since confession and restitution is consistent with the laws of God and good sense,I appeal to
Scott to make things right,and fully admit that the plan I proposed to pay off the debt was
seriously flawed although it seemed right at the time
I found Sam to be a reasonable man who had been wronged,and if my words which
I removed placed any wrong or implied anything to that opinion in any degree,I now apologize
dean
Thank you Dean for your kindness and words.
I don't like to get involved in matters that don't pertain to me. But this thread disturbs me very much. Sam is a great guy and a personal friend. He's the kind of guy who would do anything to help out a friend or acquaintance. If Sam needed or asked of anything I would not hesitate to Oblige. If there are any friends of Scott's that might feel the same as I do about Sam I urge you to reach out to him to make this right. This will not go away until a resolution has been met. Big Chris.
i consider myself a friend of scott
my last post is my attempt to reach out to him
scott ,you have taken some hard hits from life
and you see what it means to have someone take your cue with out any right
but face up to it,if someone takes from you,it neither gives you an excuse for not meeting your obligations or doing something worse
you owe me a cue,but i renounce any claim to it,forget it
but contact the people you have wronged
make an offer leading to restitution
i also plead with those on az who would kick a man who is down,to show
some compassion,at least quit adding to the seemingly impossible position that he finds himself in
the first step is scott's to take
my last post is my attempt to reach out to him
scott ,you have taken some hard hits from life
and you see what it means to have someone take your cue with out any right
but face up to it,if someone takes from you,it neither gives you an excuse for not meeting your obligations or doing something worse
you owe me a cue,but i renounce any claim to it,forget it
but contact the people you have wronged
make an offer leading to restitution
i also plead with those on az who would kick a man who is down,to show
some compassion,at least quit adding to the seemingly impossible position that he finds himself in
the first step is scott's to take
Yes; I would not be happy if I were in the Original Posters position as I work hard for my money and someone taking it for a cue build and then not communicating for such a long time would make me change my tune toward Scott.
Fortunately that was NOT my experience and instead I shared my story and the end results. I am sorry if I was not as unhappy as everyone thinks I should be.
I am a model of patience, and don't mind waiting if what he said to me is true, but trying to string me along for more money is pretty lame and I don't like that.
Come on, Scott. Do the right thing!
At least contact the guy and work something out, don't just ignore the HUGE elephant in the room.
You seemed like a great guy when I met you in Vegas for the APA championships. It would be a shame to ruin your reputation over what amounts to peanuts in the grand scheme of things.
At least contact the guy and work something out, don't just ignore the HUGE elephant in the room.
You seemed like a great guy when I met you in Vegas for the APA championships. It would be a shame to ruin your reputation over what amounts to peanuts in the grand scheme of things.
Most here including myself are cheering for Scott to do the honorable thing, like I said from the beginning its far more about the people on AZB and Scott then me.
Totally agree and glad you brought it to light. Seems most people don't want to post these type things but without it we'd all be doomed to make the same mistakes.
After I had been witness to Scott whining like a little baby over a few pieces of cheap phenolic material that he figured that he had been wronged over, he ended up with them and I didn't.
Water off a ducks back for myself. I just found it ironic that he wouldn't hesitate to cry and stomp his feet over a few dollars, yet not feel anything over ripping a customer off for several hundred on a cue.
I was witness to a persons true colors back then and know that I was not the only one.
Good luck Sam. You have had several good people vouch for your character in this thread.
Scott is willing to tarnish his reputation and future sales over doing what should have been done properly in the first place.
Human nature just boggles the mind some days, doesn't it.
In Scott's defense in a small way, I know that he has been doing his best to look after his ailing wife for some time. I hope the comment about the drugs is not true in any way. Turning to substance abuse to is no way to deal with your problems.
But also, making others feel your pain because you are going thru a tough period of life is no way to make a situation better either.
Water off a ducks back for myself. I just found it ironic that he wouldn't hesitate to cry and stomp his feet over a few dollars, yet not feel anything over ripping a customer off for several hundred on a cue.
I was witness to a persons true colors back then and know that I was not the only one.
Good luck Sam. You have had several good people vouch for your character in this thread.
Scott is willing to tarnish his reputation and future sales over doing what should have been done properly in the first place.
Human nature just boggles the mind some days, doesn't it.
In Scott's defense in a small way, I know that he has been doing his best to look after his ailing wife for some time. I hope the comment about the drugs is not true in any way. Turning to substance abuse to is no way to deal with your problems.
But also, making others feel your pain because you are going thru a tough period of life is no way to make a situation better either.
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Well because it is an internet issue it becomes more difficult for legal action although you do have options legally just make sure your ducks are all in a nice neat row as far as your case goes. You are still well within the statute of limitations in both your state and his to file a legal claim. So if I were in your position I would contact a lawyer in your state. Most lawyers have a free consultation and you can just explain your story to them, if they are able to file a claim from there then great, if not then I would contact a lawyer from Washington and do the same thing. I am not sure if you would have to file from your state or his because it was an internet deal so I don't know which laws will be in effect. So for your case I took the liberty of looking up the statute of limitations for each state. Hope it helps if you do decide to take legal actions.
Yours:
Contract in writing--10 years
verbal contract-------5 years
fraud---------------------5 years
product liability------2 years
theft---------------------3 years
Washington:
Contract in writing-6 years
verbal contract------3 years
fraud--------------------3 years
product liability-----3 years
theft---------------------3 years
Yours:
Contract in writing--10 years
verbal contract-------5 years
fraud---------------------5 years
product liability------2 years
theft---------------------3 years
Washington:
Contract in writing-6 years
verbal contract------3 years
fraud--------------------3 years
product liability-----3 years
theft---------------------3 years
its not enough to be worth suing over from out of state.
but since he has sam's titelist butt as well and wont return that it may become a matter of theft. sometimes a call to the police will get some action. most times it wont.
if you can show he took the money with the intention of not completing the work then it is a felony. and holding cues for more postage moeny with the intention of not sending is a crime.
a call from the D.A. in his area might open his eyes.
most likely at this point he doesnt have any money and doesnt want to make sticks either. so getting whole from him is a moot point, unless he gets a call from authorities.
you can deduct theft loss from your taxes and include where it went and that may get him a call for not including it as income which it is. others may do the same. things can snowball for people that do others wrong and then spit in their face.
but since he has sam's titelist butt as well and wont return that it may become a matter of theft. sometimes a call to the police will get some action. most times it wont.
if you can show he took the money with the intention of not completing the work then it is a felony. and holding cues for more postage moeny with the intention of not sending is a crime.
a call from the D.A. in his area might open his eyes.
most likely at this point he doesnt have any money and doesnt want to make sticks either. so getting whole from him is a moot point, unless he gets a call from authorities.
you can deduct theft loss from your taxes and include where it went and that may get him a call for not including it as income which it is. others may do the same. things can snowball for people that do others wrong and then spit in their face.
Personal theft losses have to exceed 10% of AGI then they are an itemized deduction on Schedule A. Very unlikely to get a benefit and the IRS is not going to get too excited about someone who MAY have not reported that amount of income. Besides if he reported any income at all they don't know if the amount from that particular transaction was included or not.
Really? Even with him blatantly ripping people off, you would give him more business?
That's effing nuts.
What is the difference between someone stealing $600 from a person, and a cuemaker who accepts $600 payment for a cue and never delivers it? Humanize it all you want, it's theft.
I don't think Scott is going to respond, I have given him one week. I had hoped he had some form of honor but I was fooled. One day on vacation to see my sister who lives near Vancouver Canada, I will stop off in Spokane, but until than I will watch for him to sell any of his cues on AZB.
Wow, after reading all this, well, certainly lost my taste for owning one of his cues. I just noticed one that went for sale today, regardless for who sells it, the name goes with the cue. Rather keep shooting with my old stick.
I really hope he comes clean on this. Shame a tarnished rep would go with such nice cues.
I really hope he comes clean on this. Shame a tarnished rep would go with such nice cues.
He's not answering me, anymore. Shocker. 