Im pretty sure that tony is the best banker of the 4.
Scott, Tony and Shane are the future of U.S. One Pocket ?...not so fast
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derekdisco said:
I agree!!!
You know as I read this thread I realize how many excellent players we have in the USA. I know that I'm always touting the great players from the Philippines, but the good ole USA still has more top flight All Around players than anywhere else.
If you were going to stage a tournament featuring 9-Ball (or Ten Ball), One Pocket and Bank Pool, do you realize that the top finishers might ALL be American. Only Efren, Parica and Francisco could slip in there in my opinion. If you were trying to find out who the best All Around pool players are, and playing that type of competition, I like our side of it.
I know, I know, they already do that at DCC, but if you look down the list of the high finishers in all three divisions, they are full of American names. If every country had to put together a team of All Around players (say six on a team), I would pick the Americans to win. And you know what, It's ALWAYS been this way! We just have the best players at all disciplines.
I'll take Schmidt, Harriman, Gabe, Corey, Nevel, Shannon, Cliff, T-Rex, Jeremy and the Freezer against the world, if they have to play at least three games. These ten guys against ten players from any other country. In fact, you could make an all star team from the rest of the world, and I'll still take these ten.
And before them, I could have said the same thing about Hopkins, Rempe, The Miz, Varner, Sigel, Fusco, Buddy, Lisciotti, Wade Crane, Billy Cardone and Marino. And a little earlier, you could pick from Jersey Red, Boston Shorty, Johnny Ervolino, Cornbread, Ronnie, Ed Kelly, Denny Searcy, Dallas West, Cisero Murphy and Lassiter. The fact is, the USA has always had the best depth of talent at a combination of pool games.
Wow, did I go out on a limb here.
If you were going to stage a tournament featuring 9-Ball (or Ten Ball), One Pocket and Bank Pool, do you realize that the top finishers might ALL be American. Only Efren, Parica and Francisco could slip in there in my opinion. If you were trying to find out who the best All Around pool players are, and playing that type of competition, I like our side of it.
I know, I know, they already do that at DCC, but if you look down the list of the high finishers in all three divisions, they are full of American names. If every country had to put together a team of All Around players (say six on a team), I would pick the Americans to win. And you know what, It's ALWAYS been this way! We just have the best players at all disciplines.
I'll take Schmidt, Harriman, Gabe, Corey, Nevel, Shannon, Cliff, T-Rex, Jeremy and the Freezer against the world, if they have to play at least three games. These ten guys against ten players from any other country. In fact, you could make an all star team from the rest of the world, and I'll still take these ten.
And before them, I could have said the same thing about Hopkins, Rempe, The Miz, Varner, Sigel, Fusco, Buddy, Lisciotti, Wade Crane, Billy Cardone and Marino. And a little earlier, you could pick from Jersey Red, Boston Shorty, Johnny Ervolino, Cornbread, Ronnie, Ed Kelly, Denny Searcy, Dallas West, Cisero Murphy and Lassiter. The fact is, the USA has always had the best depth of talent at a combination of pool games.
Wow, did I go out on a limb here.
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gulfportdoc said:That's right. At this time, Corey is a full level below the four players being discussed. He admits he doen't know the moves in one-hole. That's why he started using that smash 'em break against Shannon Daulton. Corey stated that he had no chance to outmove Shannon, so his strategy was to put himself into postion to run 8 and out every time it was his turn.
Corey has the talent to be in the top echelon of 1-holers, but I just don't think he really likes the game. He has the same mentality as Earl and many of the other top 9-ballers: they like to run racks. Period. SVB, on the other hand, is fascinated by every facet of every type of pool game. Once he turns his full attention to one-pocket, he will soar. He'll be "The Wizzard" from South Dakota...
Doc
the "smash 'em" break that he used was 8 years ago. 8 years is more than enough time for a championship-level player to learn the moves of one pocket.
Check out Corey's DCC record. His results are consistent with the very top American one pocket players.
For the cash, i have seen him beat Scott Frost even-up, and he has beat Efren getting 10-7 at the 2007 DCC. At that same event, Scott beat Cliff even and lost to Efren getting 9-7/10-7. I know for a fact that Corey likes one pocket, but even if he didn't like the game, interest has little bearing on skill.
Tell me Jay, my good friend, how would you like it if you put Rotation into the mix. I believe that the Filipinos would be a major threat. Since Banks are virtually an American phenomena and One Pocket is a purely American game. it is a little lopsided.
Now add 14.1 to the game and I would say The Euro's would be a major threat as they play it all the time and have great 14.1 leagues there
Dont let the Taiwanese know about Banks and One Pocket because they would be 24/7 learning the game colectively. Thank god they got great payoffs in thei own 9 ball events.
But all in all the Americans are like the super heroes in the comics. Tony C, Shannon the Cannon, THe Freezer, Cliff Joyner, Gabe Owen, etc are great colorful champions and the best in the world. Only like the comics today super heoes are finding themselves vulnerable against a different set of odds.
Now add 14.1 to the game and I would say The Euro's would be a major threat as they play it all the time and have great 14.1 leagues there
Dont let the Taiwanese know about Banks and One Pocket because they would be 24/7 learning the game colectively. Thank god they got great payoffs in thei own 9 ball events.
But all in all the Americans are like the super heroes in the comics. Tony C, Shannon the Cannon, THe Freezer, Cliff Joyner, Gabe Owen, etc are great colorful champions and the best in the world. Only like the comics today super heoes are finding themselves vulnerable against a different set of odds.
jay helfert said:You know as I read this thread I realize how many excellent players we have in the USA. I know that I'm always touting the great players from the Philippines, but the good ole USA still has more top flight All Around players than anywhere else.
If you were going to stage a tournament featuring 9-Ball (or Ten Ball), One Pocket and Bank Pool, do you realize that the top finishers might ALL be American. Only Efren, Parica and Francisco could slip in there in my opinion. If you were trying to find out who the best All Around pool players are, and playing that type of competition, I like our side of it.
I know, I know, they already do that at DCC, but if you look down the list of the high finishers in all three divisions, they are full of American names. If every country had to put together a team of All Around players (say six on a team), I would pick the Americans to win. And you know what, It's ALWAYS been this way! We just have the best players at all disciplines.
I'll take Schmidt, Harriman, Gabe, Corey, Nevel, Shannon, Cliff, T-Rex, Jeremy and the Freezer against the world, if they have to play at least three games. These ten guys against ten players from any other country. In fact, you could make an all star team from the rest of the world, and I'll still take these ten.
And before them, I could have said the same thing about Hopkins, Rempe, The Miz, Varner, Sigel, Fusco, Buddy, Lisciotti, Wade Crane, Billy Cardone and Marino. And a little earlier, you could pick from Jersey Red, Boston Shorty, Johnny Ervolino, Cornbread, Ronnie, Ed Kelly, Denny Searcy, Dallas West, Cisero Murphy and Lassiter. The fact is, the USA has always had the best depth of talent at a combination of pool games.
Wow, did I go out on a limb here.
I was wondering and srprised nobody had mentioned Jeremy's name with this group. When Jeremy works at it, 1-pocket is probably his best game. I think he out moves Tony Scott, and Larry and Gabe is not far behind in this department, if, at all.
Jeremy had on heck of a teacher by the name of Briet.
yobagua said:
Okay, okay, you got me on that one.
I purposely left Rotation out of the mix because I never see it played over here. The closest thing to it is Ten ball.
I wish someone would teach the Taiwan players One Pocket. I'd like to see how quickly they could learn the game. It's just a tad bit more complicated than 9-Ball.
yobagua said:
Good point, and I agree. It's all subjective to the unique set of games played in each locale. The US is going to dominate games from the US, just as Europe will dominate the games played there, or the Philipinos will dominate games they play most. It's very hard to compare the top players from all of the many many billiard and pocket billiard games out there. I'm not even sure they can be accurately compared at all.
Two more names
Back to the original question of this thread - comparisons as to who is the future U.S. One Pocket champion.....Here's a couple more intriguing, and less talked about names: Nick Vita and semi-undercover Jesse Bowman....
Young Nick Vita shocked the tournament when he won the 2006 U.S. open One Pocket tournament in Louisville, beating pro players along the way - he's kinda disappeared since then - anybody know why ?
And I don't want to knock his action, but Jesse Bowman who's known and feared for his bar table game, can play real strong One Pocket if he wants to - trust me, I've seen it in person.
Back to the original question of this thread - comparisons as to who is the future U.S. One Pocket champion.....Here's a couple more intriguing, and less talked about names: Nick Vita and semi-undercover Jesse Bowman....
Young Nick Vita shocked the tournament when he won the 2006 U.S. open One Pocket tournament in Louisville, beating pro players along the way - he's kinda disappeared since then - anybody know why ?
And I don't want to knock his action, but Jesse Bowman who's known and feared for his bar table game, can play real strong One Pocket if he wants to - trust me, I've seen it in person.
breaknrun said:
Yes, Shane beat Gabe with 10-8 in a 7 ahead match in Chattanooga back in January. But it wasn't pretty quickly. It took 16 hours for him to do so. More like victory by attrition.
As far as this thread goes, he might not be as agressive as he used to be, but I think alot of people here are selling Shannon D. way short on where he ranks among the U.S. players. The knowledge of the moves in the game alone would place him on level terms with the 4 mentioned IMHO. I think JJ would also be right up there. Larry would be world class if he could maintain a grip on his temper. Gabe...well, Gabe is a great 1P player, but pool is not his sole obsession anymore, so all of his concentration isn't going into now. Just my $.02.
Dags
Some people have ranked Nevel last in this group, maybe because he's not out there in the high $$$/gambling scene as much as the others, and they don't know his game that well....but I know Larry's game very well, and actually, I think 'skills wise', he's the best of them all - but I agree with what a previous poster said, his problem is he's got to keep his head right....
....And here's a telling statistic for you: In the last 5 years at the DCC One Pocket event, Larry's got three finishes in the top five, with two second place finishes....Only Efren, has a higher composite rating than that, for the last five years of One Pocket finishes at the DCC.
....And here's a telling statistic for you: In the last 5 years at the DCC One Pocket event, Larry's got three finishes in the top five, with two second place finishes....Only Efren, has a higher composite rating than that, for the last five years of One Pocket finishes at the DCC.
