Scruggs
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Put this up wondering if anyone thought it surprising that Tim would complete a cue with a big knot like this cue has.
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OK....but why not link to the sale?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Tim-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Yup. That's a knot. Saw it when it was first listed. That's an AZB member's sale: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=442944
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Tim-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Yup. That's a knot. Saw it when it was first listed. That's an AZB member's sale: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=442944
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Not at all. The knot is wood figuring that gives the cue character. As long as it's straight it's good to go. If the knot was in the stroking area of the shaft, that would be a no go. I bought multiple Scruggs cues from 1979 to 1983. Tim and Bob Frey (and later Mike)were always upstanding people to talk and deal with. I loved how his cues played.
Wow!
Yes, this is absolutely true. To me, I LOVE the knot and the character it brings forth. As Cubswin (Joe) has said, yes we have done multiple deals over the years and I have nothing to hide. Why would I hide anything? I told and showed the one real flaw, and that is that the one Micarta ferrule has what looks to be saw teeth marks from being cut and not flattened off properly. Do I know who installed it? No, I do not but it plays fine with no issues. If someone has to tell you that they are honest for you to find that out about them, something is wrong...So feel free to inquire about me and how I do business. You will FIND that I am honest, you won't just hear it. Now, as to why this thread was even created, I cannot answer that but this is not the 1st Scruggs with 'knots' in it that I have seen. If it were a wrap-less cue, you wouldn't see it for sale. I want a Scruggs in my arsenal, but I have tried wraps lately, and I just cannot use them. I never could before and wanted to see if that changed. It hasn't!
Yes, this is absolutely true. To me, I LOVE the knot and the character it brings forth. As Cubswin (Joe) has said, yes we have done multiple deals over the years and I have nothing to hide. Why would I hide anything? I told and showed the one real flaw, and that is that the one Micarta ferrule has what looks to be saw teeth marks from being cut and not flattened off properly. Do I know who installed it? No, I do not but it plays fine with no issues. If someone has to tell you that they are honest for you to find that out about them, something is wrong...So feel free to inquire about me and how I do business. You will FIND that I am honest, you won't just hear it. Now, as to why this thread was even created, I cannot answer that but this is not the 1st Scruggs with 'knots' in it that I have seen. If it were a wrap-less cue, you wouldn't see it for sale. I want a Scruggs in my arsenal, but I have tried wraps lately, and I just cannot use them. I never could before and wanted to see if that changed. It hasn't!
Well, something came through for me so I am willing to do better on this cue than originally. The first one to tell me they want this cue and can pay for it now, can have this cue with all 3 shafts for $1600 shipped overnight. Payment must be a Paypal gift, friends / family, or you simply pick up the fees. I will cancel my auction after it is paid
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I respectfully disagree. A knot in wood is not "figuring". Figuring in wood for the most part is a trait that repeats itself evenly throughout the wood grain. A knot is an anomaly that can in many cases be considered a defect in wood used for cue making do to the fact that knots themselves are "knot" (pun intended) part of the grain structure and though very hard themselves, may actually weaken the surrounding wood in the area it occupies.
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Price drop on aisle 8.
"Knot" necessarily...
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I don't agree with this I don't think it will weaken the surrounding wood at all. If you have
ever cut wood with a axe you no that a knot can be extremely hard.
Plus Tim was a smart cue builder I don't think he would have let this out of his shop if he
thought it would comprise the cue in any way.
Maybe one of AZ cue builders will chime in and tell us what they think.
I don't agree with this I don't think it will weaken the surrounding wood at all. If you have
ever cut wood with a axe you no that a knot can be extremely hard.
Plus Tim was a smart cue builder I don't think he would have let this out of his shop if he
thought it would comprise the cue in any way.
Maybe one of AZ cue builders will chime in and tell us what they think.
This cue was built many years ago and is still very sound. I dont understand all the conflict here over the knot. If it is a problem to you, walk away. If you dont mind it, it is a great cue. Tim would not have let a sub-standard cue out of his shop, I know that much. There are newer cuemakers today who wouldnt do that, let alone one of the best! I only dropped my price to sell it quickly for my other venture. Once that is under control, and that will happen within a month, my price will go back up where it should be
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The knot itself IS hard BUT it does not align along the grain AND can separate from it's "seat".... Knots for the most part are not good for structural integrity. They can also be unsightly IMO.
Read the second post from the top... It explains it well...
http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/is-a-knot-in-wood-a-weak-point-t60418.html
Skins --------------- just chimed in :wink:
I think it would stand to reason the knot was either sealed,stabilized with epoxy or CA, or both. Actually the knot represents true skill of the artisan because the differential in hardness and grain direction oses challenges as to cutting, sanding, and finishing.
Who knows how Tim treated that spot if at all... Prabably just some sealer then finish...As far as challenges, not really in this situation with the way the butts are turned down. I'm sure it wasnt a big thought for him.
This cue was built in the early to mid 80s, given the buttsleeve design, points, and joint collar rings. At that time, sealer and finish was pretty standard, and since the knot is fairly small, I suspect that is all it took.
Although I wouldn't select a cue with a big knot, this one is not too offensive. And it's held up so far. About 30 years, by my estimation.
All the best,
WW
Although I wouldn't select a cue with a big knot, this one is not too offensive. And it's held up so far. About 30 years, by my estimation.
All the best,
WW
Well by definition tge knot is end grain, so at the very least it needs to be sealed it would just suck up finish like a straw.
I'm sure he had noissues turning that butt, at the same time I doubt he took that knot for granted,especially when cutting in the points.
There had been a few acoustic guitar builders who used knotty woodto prove it not the woid, but the maker...