Secret 1p Break

There are always options.
Scratches, safeties, fire in the hole blast'em shots.
Alternatives.

So you mean that 70% success rate vs say someone else's safer break of say 95% success rate is a winning ratio to you?
You will lose in the long run.
That is my whole point.

You won't be winning any long matches against high end one pocket players with this break.
You won't be seeing this break win any major one pocket events, with the sole exception of if the two finalists in some event, decide to jerk everyone's chain and both of them break like this the entire final match.

If you said that you only use this against weaker players, does having them tell you that you got lucky when you know they had no chance, scratch your ego?
If they were weaker players, you could have probably spotted them the break and still beat them.
Where is the ego pumping up in that?

Beat a one pocket legend with this break and you will get all the ego stroking you want.
But until then, this break = the FARM.

I must not be as concise with my words as you, you keep trying to make a point that I agree with. The break will work very well against an average guy who isn't very good at running balls. About 70% of the time you won't leave a practical shot and the rest of the time, they will run 1-3 balls and lose anyway because of the "situational use" of the break. We are all in agreement that it won't work against a champion or even a really good player. To say the break = the farm isn't entirely correct. If you are only using it against weaker players it will NEVER =the farm. Since we would never use it against better players the farm is nonexistent. When I play a guy who has no chance, whether I'm spotting him 10-6 or 14-1 my ego is always stroked because winning and teaching and sharing this great game makes me feel good. Your basis for your argument is through the misuse of my words and only works if I am disagreeing with you and I'm not.
 
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Fair enough.

By the way, Heirovision wants to play you. Said something about spotting you one handed.:D
 
I just tried it 5x and got about the same results!
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I agree. Just for fun I played around with it today and the thing about it is that you really have to commit to the shot and give it a good whack to get it up table. I shot it four times. The first time I didn't commit and left the CB side pocket high. The next one I got it to the end rail but left two hangers. The third time I made a ball in my hole, but didn't have a follow up shot because of too much traffic. And the last time I had everything on my side and left the other side tied up with two balls lined up.

Lou Figueroa
still ain't using it
for real
 
It only puts pressure on a hack player.

Any decent knowledgeable one pocket player will punish him for even trying it.

Plus, there is just no consistency.
He might hit it perfectly one break and completely sell out the next.

Any REAL one pocket player is going to apply maximum pressure on their serve when they can and is looking for consistency, not some gimmick that they think is cute.
In an evenly matched contest, if one guys break is consistent enough that they can hold serve a high % of the time, and his opponent breaks like this and is all over the place, fluctuating between good break, to sellout, who do you really think is going to win that session in the long run?

This is not thinking outside the box, this is and example of coming up with new and improved ways to sell the farm.
It's cute on video, but it would never hold up in a real game against a high end player where cold hard cash is on the line.

See how may top level one pocket specialists adopt this break in the near future.:rolleyes:

I t looks like a tilted rack to be putting the opposite corner ball in the pocket or close most of the time?
 
I just tried it 5x and got about the same results!
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You have to admit though: it'd still be fun to pull out, just once, to see your opponent's reaction. Against the right guy, it could be worth throwing your skirt up in the air just one game :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
You have to admit though: it'd still be fun to pull out, just once, to see your opponent's reaction. Against the right guy, it could be worth throwing your skirt up in the air just one game :-)

Lou Figueroa

This i would have to agree with.
We must never forget that pool is an ego based sport.

For instance, if it was a long session and i was up 5 games or so and my opponent is in the tank, really REALLY suffering., i might just blast wide open and just laugh at them.

They might go mental!!
 
Alright Lou, next time I see you, we'll have to try and play this way. It would be fun to see how some of these positions turn out.
 
Just for the record: I believe Cory's break was different -- he didn't try and spin up table, he tried to spin down table one rail and get the cue ball near his opponent's pocket.

Lou Figueroa

Lou, you didn't read the second paragrph, did you :)

12squared said:
Although Corey didn't try to get the cue ball on the end rail each time, just tried to put it on his opponent's side of the table, but the cue ball got kissed around a little when it was in the center of the table...

He did not always try to spin it down table, he simply broke them like he would 8-ball hitting the 2nd ball. The cue ball sometimes drew straight across, but you are right that he didn't try to spin it up table.

Just for the record :).

Dave
 
I always thought that in one pocket, you had the pocket opposite of the side that you break from?

I guess its just a local rule and I never checked into an actual rule book because I cant find anything within a rule book about what side of the table you have to break from, it only says that breaking player designates his pocket.


Guess I better start reading rule books because I dont want this to become a habit,,,

It is generally implied that the opposite side is your pocket under a normal break but you can call either pocket.
 
This i would have to agree with.
We must never forget that pool is an ego based sport.

For instance, if it was a long session and i was up 5 games or so and my opponent is in the tank, really REALLY suffering., i might just blast wide open and just laugh at them.

They might go mental!!


Exactly the scenario I had in mind :-)

Lou Figueroa
now knows what evil
lurks in the heart's of men
 
Lou, you didn't read the second paragrph, did you :)



He did not always try to spin it down table, he simply broke them like he would 8-ball hitting the 2nd ball. The cue ball sometimes drew straight across, but you are right that he didn't try to spin it up table.

Just for the record :).

Dave


OK, maybe you got me on the second paragraph thing but my recollection is that he did try and spin it down cross-table towards the other guy's pocket. Anyone got the tape?

Lou Figueroa
 
I have a very good local player that is giving me five hit and a pick. I am going to practice this break and bust him!

Thanks Jesse!
 
I have a very good local player that is giving me five hit and a pick. I am going to practice this break and bust him!

Thanks Jesse!

This is exactly what this break is good for, but I wouldn't try to get the cue ball up table on the early attempts, keep it in the middle somewhere so you can run them if you make a ball. If you fail to get the hard break you want you can always break conventionally on the last. You should drill him :).

Let us know how it works out.

Dave
 
I have a very good local player that is giving me five hit and a pick. I am going to practice this break and bust him!

Thanks Jesse!

That will be a blast I'm sure, wish I could watch your match.

I'm not sure if keeping the cueball out in the middle would work as well in the beginning, I think you need to keep the pressure and surprise on him. Letting him have some easy shots in the beginning will take some of the shock and awe value away.

I would recommend focusing on getting the CB to the top rail. If you make a ball on the break you can always take an intentional foul and just nudge the CB against the top rail if you don't have a comfortable shot. I think the most important value you have is in keeping him on edge the first few games.

Good luck! You've got me wanting to get down to the poolhall and play some onepocket!
 
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That will be a blast I'm sure, wish I could watch your match.

I'm not sure if keeping the cueball out in the middle would work as well in the beginning, I think you need to keep the pressure and surprise on him. Letting him have some easy shots in the beginning will take some of the shock and awe value away.

I would recommend focusing on getting the CB to the top rail. If you make a ball on the break you can always take an intentional foul and just nudge the CB against the top rail if you don't have a comfortable shot. I think the most important value you have is in keeping him on edge the first few games.

Good luck! You've got me wanting to get down to the poolhall and play some onepocket!

Maybe I read his spot differently/wrong, I thought 5 hit means he can break the balls up to 5 times if he doesn't like the outcome of each - before his opponent comes to the table the 1st time. Mars, can you clarify? If that is the case, I like the cue ball more in the middle so you can run balls, if not...never mind :). Maybe a combination of both to find one you like. Either way it should be fun - the spot just got bigger :eek:.

Jesse, thanks for all your creativity and taking the time to post examples, it is very educational.

Dave
 
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