Secret 1p Break

[SUPERSTAR]

Even Corey Deuel himself abandoned his power One Pocket break in favor of a traditional break. Sure, there are a few Accu-Stats matches available where Corey's hard break "worked out" and he won the match, but those are the "single palm tree in the middle of the desert" -- few and far between.

-Sean

Corey was just looking to do something goofy on an Accu Stats video.
It was a gimmick.
Just like the golf tee inside of the pocket during the match.
Something to get people OMG-ing and talking.

I'd be willing to bet that Corey laughed his ass off at the thought of every single person who watched the match with Shannon, who then went IMMEDIATELY to the pool hall to start practicing that break.

Believe me, there are local guys who insisted for YEARS, that breaking that way was the absolute NUTS cause they saw him do it the one time.
Very straight shooting guys.

And, they have all gone broke repeatedly as a result of believing that.

 

[JoeyA]

Believe me, there are local guys who insisted for YEARS, that breaking that way was the absolute NUTS cause they saw him do it the one time.
Very straight shooting guys.

I really have trouble believing this. You were just using a little creative license with your statement, right?

 

[SUPERSTAR]

I really have trouble believing this. You were just using a little creative license with your statement, right?

Before he moved to Ohio and beyond, Corey was originally from the Philly burbs.
As a result of that, the majority of locals sweat his pool career and live vicariously through him. Just like i am sure happens all over the country for the hometown heroes.

Believe me, there are guys who for years, hung on his EVERY move.
Groupies for lack of a better term.
If Corey said this, that's what they would do.
If Corey said that, THAT is what they would be practicing.

And yes, there are a couple, who took his breaking them like 8 ball against Shannon as the future of one pocket, simply because it came from Corey.

If you have trouble believing it, that's on you.

 

[Richardson]

Before he moved to Ohio and beyond, Corey was originally from the Philly burbs.
As a result of that, the majority of locals sweat his pool career and live vicariously through him. Just like i am sure happens all over the country for the hometown heroes.

Believe me, there are guys who for years, hung on his EVERY move.
Groupies for lack of a better term.
If Corey said this, that's what they would do.
If Corey said that, THAT is what they would be practicing.

And yes, there are a couple, who took his breaking them like 8 ball against Shannon as the future of one pocket, simply because it came from Corey.

If you have trouble believing it, that's on you.

I believe you, people are sheep.

 

[Slh]

Corey was just looking to do something goofy on an Accu Stats video.
It was a gimmick.
Just like the golf tee inside of the pocket during the match.
Something to get people OMG-ing and talking.

I'd be willing to bet that Corey laughed his ass off at the thought of every single person who watched the match with Shannon, who then went IMMEDIATELY to the pool hall to start practicing that break.

Believe me, there are local guys who insisted for YEARS, that breaking that way was the absolute NUTS cause they saw him do it the one time.
Very straight shooting guys.

And, they have all gone broke repeatedly as a result of believing that.

yeah, i remember him breaking using the bridge... why he think it could be useful?

 

[iusedtoberich]

I really have trouble believing this. You were just using a little creative license with your statement, right?

I'm from the same room Corey grew up in in the Philly Burbs. There is lots of truth to what Superstar says. Corey, and even more so, Jimmy Fusco, are heroes here. Whatever they say or do, is GOSPEL, to the Philly rooms. If Jimmy told one of his followers to jump off a bridge, the follower would. That’s just the way it is. To not believe this, is naive. Our “hero” poolplayers have their idols, just like the rockstars. They even get “backstage perks” like the rockstars do, from the female groupies. I’m not making this up.

Our local Accustats bootlegger routinely sells out of 3 player’s matches: Fusco, Corey, and Efren, in that order. No other matches are even close.
I remember when our local bootlegger first got the Corey/Shannon onehole match. The whole room bought a copy of the match. The years blend together for me now, but I guess this was about 10 years ago. Anyway, almost all the one pocket players in our room (and our room was a big one hole room), tried fooling around with the break. Some took it more seriously than others, but almost everyone did it for a few days as a novelty.

All the players eventually gave up on it. The A players probably tried it once or twice, and saw how dumb it was and never tried it again. The B and C players were the one’s who fooled around with it the longest, for a week or two, before even they realized its risk is simply NOT worth the reward in the long run.

There was ONE player, however, who TILL THIS DAY, still uses the corey break. Now, this guy shoots JAM UP, like an open level player. But he is DUMB, DUMB, DUMB. He can’t beat anyone playing onehole or 9 ball, even strong B players. Yet, he INSISTS this break is good. Year after year I watch this guy play the room regulars, who range from B to Open players. He keeps using Corey’s break, and keeps selling it out half the time. He just never learns. And believe me when I say he has practiced this break tons, and he can do anything he wants with the cueball.

So here is an example, although extreme, of a player from the same room as Corey, idolizes Corey, copied his break, probably even hits it better than Corey does, and 10 years later still uses it, failing to ever win with it.

 

[abbassi]

This break should be mandatory in tourneys. It would go a lot faster and still be more exciting to watch.

 

[poolhustler]

I believe you, people are sheep.

"Baaaaaaa-Baaaaa"

 

[Jcat]

dang, now i got something else to practice lol.

 

[OUSooner]

I was getting 12-2 from a very good local player and I broke like that every time and busted him. Dippy uses that break in his one hole games. If you have only a short number of balls to get to and you're opponent has a bunch its decent odds to try to make one on the break and put him on the hill or turn it into a shooting contest. You're gonna lose your fair share of games that way but if you're only going to 4 or less its usually better odds than playing it straight unless the spot is just way out of line.

 

[lfigueroa]

a la Corey Deuel's break against Shannon the Cannon - it's on Accustats. Corey felt he couldn't out move Shannon so he wanted to make it more of a shooting game (his words basically from the interview afterwards).

Although Corey didn't try to get the cue ball on the end rail each time, just tried to put it on his opponent's side of the table, but the cue ball got kissed around a little when it was in the center of the table. Jesse's style helps consistantly move the cueball to the end rail minimizing the kiss potential.

I didn't watch the whole clip of this break, but it looked like there was very few shooting opportunities if a ball was made in his pocket. It appeared to be more effective break if a ball was not pocketed.

I do like Jesse thinking outside the box and sharing it with us. He definately has too much time on his hands .

Dave

Just for the record: I believe Cory's break was different -- he didn't try and spin up table, he tried to spin down table one rail and get the cue ball near his opponent's pocket.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

It only puts pressure on a hack player.

Any decent knowledgeable one pocket player will punish him for even trying it.

Plus, there is just no consistency.
He might hit it perfectly one break and completely sell out the next.

Any REAL one pocket player is going to apply maximum pressure on their serve when they can and is looking for consistency, not some gimmick that they think is cute.
In an evenly matched contest, if one guys break is consistent enough that they can hold serve a high % of the time, and his opponent breaks like this and is all over the place, fluctuating between good break, to sellout, who do you really think is going to win that session in the long run?

This is not thinking outside the box, this is and example of coming up with new and improved ways to sell the farm.
It's cute on video, but it would never hold up in a real game against a high end player where cold hard cash is on the line.

See how may top level one pocket specialists adopt this break in the near future.

I agree.

Just for fun I played around with it today and the thing about it is that you really have to commit to the shot and give it a good whack to get it up table. I shot it four times. The first time I didn't commit and left the CB side pocket high. The next one I got it to the end rail but left two hangers. The third time I made a ball in my hole, but didn't have a follow up shot because of too much traffic. And the last time I had everything on my side and left the other side tied up with two balls lined up.

Lou Figueroa
still ain't using it
for real

 

[book collector]

Secret 1 Pocket Break

This is the great thing about 1 pocket.
There are always many options to choose from, like chess.
One person dares you to play this against them and says they will punish you , and you shoot it and say "Show Me"!
This break I think would be brutal an a 4 inch pocket Diamond even against real good players.
Some posters say they prefer the old break from the side and knock a few to your side, thats fine, I like that break also.
The problem is , you state it as though it never sells out or that it always puts your opponent in a terrible spot , which is not true at all.
Sometimes you make a ball on your break.
Sometimes you scratch.
Sometimes you hit it fine and go up too high and leave a bank or a carom and the opponent makes the ball or freezes you on the stack and moves balls to his hole on the first shot.
Everyone misses more shots when there is pressure than when there isn't .
So that long straight in may be a 90% shot for you if all you lose is a ball but if it can cost you the game or the match, it may be less than 50/50 I have seen every great player for the last 45 years miss shots under that circumstance.
Like it or not , we miss them too.
I have learned something else in 45 years of playing.
Most of the "better" players never remember anyone who beat them, they also never remember how they lost a game by making a bad shot.
Maybe that is why they play a bit better in the long run.
I watched one of the best 1 pocket players in the world one day, miss the same shot 5 times in the same pocket. He did not realize the table was gaffed and it was all but impossible to make the ball on that shot.
He never even considered it, I thought after the second time he would look at the pocket or scratch his head or something, nope , just kept playing it like it had gone every time.
That's taking, No time for negative, to the extreme.
That's my dimes worth, feel free to pile on me to all you, see ball, make ball, kinda guys, lol.

 

[JesseAllred]

someone finally payed attention!

ANd, as per Jesse's comments:
In 28 tries I consider 20 of them good with 7 times making a ball in my pocket. About 4-7 breaks I hit bad and were complete sell outs, but I still like my chances of getting back to the table, and one time I scratched. I only use this against weaker players or even players who are movers and not shotmakers.

Bless you for reading the info!!!! It obviously doesn't work against a good player, it is simply an option for a guy who's been playing his buddy for years even, both players can't run balls very well and he's outclassed in the moving department. The other top one pocket player in my town and I matched up several times using this break and we had mixed results, but sometimes the break worked so well that there wasn't even a kick route under the balls, there was literally no option but the spot cut sellout shot and we just started laughing at how ridiculous it felt to have no options!

 

[JesseAllred]

Just for the record: I believe Cory's break was different -- he didn't try and spin up table, he tried to spin down table one rail and get the cue ball near his opponent's pocket.

Lou Figueroa

lol yes, his break was even more insane, his cueball tried to battle through a wall of balls. With this break it's only how you hit it. I made the video for a guy who wasn't very good at pocketing balls or moving and I thought this might be an option for improving his win percent without hours of practice. Some people will probably take this break only good for "specific scenarios" and overuse it or use it in the wrong way, unfortunately all good tips are improperly misused.

It also saddens me, just a little bit (in a sarcastic spirit) , that so many players would assume I thought this was a good option for serious onepocket, please read video info boxes before you come to the conclusion that I don't know what I'm talking about or I've lost it. And for the guy who knows who he is, I know "I just aint right" . HAHAHA

 

[SUPERSTAR]

This break = the FARM.

At best, for a serious player, this is a novelty.
Something thrown into the mix to make the other player scratch their head.
That is all it is good for.

If you are banging balls with your friends, break them however you see fit.
If it's for fun that's one thing.

Otherwise, it has no real application in the world of serious one pocket.
Any serious one pocket player will dismiss this immediately.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

The other top one pocket player in my town and I matched up several times using this break and we had mixed results, but sometimes the break worked so well that there wasn't even a kick route under the balls, there was literally no option but the spot cut sellout shot and we just started laughing at how ridiculous it felt to have no options!

Point being that to have this happen, you basically have to get LUCKY.

I'd rather break in a way that takes the luck out of the equation as much as possible.

But that's just me.

 

[JesseAllred]

Point being that to have this happen, you basically have to get LUCKY.

I'd rather break in a way that takes the luck out of the equation as much as possible.

But that's just me.

Your inference of my answer would make sense at face value, but if by luck you mean that perfect break result scenario happening 70% of the time, and the times you sold out a ball or two you won the game anyway through your epic superstar onepocket skills then you are most certainly correct. Most of my opponents tell me I got lucky after they lose and I always agree with them!

 

[Hierovision]

So you both (Jesse and SUPASTAH![jazz hands]) agree that it's a bad idea against real 1-pocket players. You both can run 100's in 14.1... I sense a challenge match. Jesse you have to use this break, Superstar you can only do 1 rail banks (pocket face doesn't count).

That sounds like fun to me!

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Your idea would make sense at face value, but if by luck you mean that perfect break result scenario happening 70% of the time, and the times you sold out a ball or two you won the game anyway through your epic superstar onepocket skills then you are most certainly correct. Most of my opponents tell me I got lucky after they lose and I always agree with them!

There are always options.
Scratches, safeties, fire in the hole blast'em shots.
Alternatives.

So you mean that 70% success rate vs say someone else's safer break of say 95% success rate is a winning ratio to you?
You will lose in the long run.
That is my whole point.

You won't be winning any long matches against high end one pocket players with this break.
You won't be seeing this break win any major one pocket events, with the sole exception of if the two finalists in some event, decide to jerk everyone's chain and both of them break like this the entire final match.

If you said that you only use this against weaker players, does having them tell you that you got lucky when you know they had no chance, scratch your ego?
If they were weaker players, you could have probably spotted them the break and still beat them.
Where is the ego pumping up in that?

Beat a one pocket legend with this break and you will get all the ego stroking you want.
But until then, this break = the FARM.