Secret To This Shot........

Wanna bet??

For those players in this position that want to pocket the object ball in the corner and hit the cue ball hard enough to stop it dead...or those who want to draw the cue ball back...I'd like to bet you all a dollar you miss the shot...

If I can roll the 5 in the corner and keep an angle for the 6 cross side...which will then give me shape on the next ball...then I'll try that...otherwise I'm playing a safety somewhere in this rack...
 
skins said:
what? what do you mean "Nothing "virtually impossible" about this shot". the balls are frozen on the rail. even if you hit the ball perfect you can't get enough speed for the shot to draw without affecting the shot to the pocket because of the fact the ball has to be pushed from the rail. anytime your ready i'll take you or anyone else up including Efren on this bet. anyone want the action?
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Yo...

Just because you might not be able to do the shot, don't assume noone else can. Almost any shot can be a hanger if you practice it enough. And Efren would bust you on this shot, by the way. I would bust you on this shot if I were not in Iraq for the foreseeable future.

Would you bet against Efren if he told you he could shot a spot shot from the corner of the break box and not touch ANY RAIL with the cue ball? On Simonis cloth, no less. Do you know how he would shoot it? No tricks to the wording, not on any particular table... Give him 5 to 1 on the shot, and he'll have your house by the end of the night.

I used to bet on cutting a spot shot backwards, one handed, into a corner pocket. With the cue ball in the jaws of the corner pocket. Oh.. By the way, there is a kiss on that shot, so you have to draw the ball to avoid it.

I'm not sure if Blackjack wrote it, but I know there is a teaching website he writes for that has an article about negativity pertaining to developing one's game. The writer says to ditch the people who you lay with that say you "can't do this", and "can't do that".

I've made the shot we've been discussing, position and all. So I know what I am talking about. I'm just telling you it might be a little silly to insist a shot can't be made just because you can't make it. I saw a shot Cory Deuel made in a tournament that I personally have never been able to make. The fact I saw him do it tells me it can.

If you have any doubts, check this out http://www.tomrosspool.com/pdf/Techniques/The%20Shot%20of%20the%20Year.pdf . I am 99.95% sure you have never seen this shot. That doesn't mean it's impossible.

Russ
 
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Russ Chewning said:
Yo...

Just because you might not be able to do the shot, don't assume noone else can. Almost any shot can be a hanger if you practice it enough. And Efren would bust you on this shot, by the way. I would bust you on this shot if I were not in Iraq for the foreseeable future.

Would you bet against Efren if he told you he could shot a spot shot from the corner of the break box and not touch ANY RAIL with the cue ball? On Simonis cloth, no less. Do you know how he would shoot it? No tricks to the wording, not on any particular table... Give him 5 to 1 on the shot, and he'll have your house by the end of the night.

I used to bet on cutting a spot shot backwards, one handed, into a corner pocket. With the cue ball in the jaws of the corner pocket. Oh.. By the way, there is a kiss on that shot, so you have to draw the ball to avoid it.

I'm not sure if Blackjack wrote it, but I know there is a teaching website he writes for that has an article about negativity pertaining to developing one's game. The writer says to ditch the people who you lay with that say you "can't do this", and "can't do that".

I've made the shot we've been discussing, position and all. So I know what I am talking about. I'm just telling you it might be a little silly to insist a shot can't be made just because you can't make it. I saw a shot Cory Deuel made in a tournament that I personally have never been able to make. The fact I saw him do it tells me it can.

Russ
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the bet is on the table. i'll bet any one you bring to me. the shot is a 99.99% quack.
 
Mike_Mason said:
For those players in this position that want to pocket the object ball in the corner and hit the cue ball hard enough to stop it dead...or those who want to draw the cue ball back...I'd like to bet you all a dollar you miss the shot...

If I can roll the 5 in the corner and keep an angle for the 6 cross side...which will then give me shape on the next ball...then I'll try that...otherwise I'm playing a safety somewhere in this rack...
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ok even though i started it i'll take you on as my partner. we're gona' to be rich!
 
Russ Chewning said:
Yo...

I would bust you on this shot if I were not in Iraq for the foreseeable future.
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i'll fly to iraq if you want to bet $10,000. i'll give you 5 try's to get draw shape on this shot. deal?
 
Mike_Mason said:
For those players in this position that want to pocket the object ball in the corner and hit the cue ball hard enough to stop it dead...or those who want to draw the cue ball back...I'd like to bet you all a dollar you miss the shot...

If I can roll the 5 in the corner and keep an angle for the 6 cross side...which will then give me shape on the next ball...then I'll try that...otherwise I'm playing a safety somewhere in this rack...
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The people arguing about how "hard" one has to strike this shot don't understand the mechanics of the shot. It's not how "hard" you hit it, it's how "slow" you hit it. Unless you have some practice at slowing down your stroke for certain shots, you'll think this shot is impossible. It's essentially something like a drag drag shot. You have to concentrate on hitting the cue in such a way as to "keep your tip on the ball". Of course the physics of the shot belie that phrase...

But this shot can be a hanger for some people. All you have to do is know how to shoot it, and practice that technique.

Russ
 
Skins,

If you don't think this shot can be made you are mistaken. Do you know the shot where both balls are frozen on the end rail? You shoot with low inside english into the rail to bring the cue back at an angle to spin off the rail and go down table. This is the same shot requiring a little more technique is all.
 
Russ Chewning said:
The people arguing about how "hard" one has to strike this shot don't understand the mechanics of the shot. It's not how "hard" you hit it, it's how "slow" you hit it. Unless you have some practice at slowing down your stroke for certain shots, you'll think this shot is impossible. It's essentially something like a drag drag shot. You have to concentrate on hitting the cue in such a way as to "keep your tip on the ball". Of course the physics of the shot belie that phrase...

But this shot can be a hanger for some people. All you have to do is know how to shoot it, and practice that technique.

Russ
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you don't know what your talking about. i don't want to sound like i'm tooting my horn but i was a very strong player not too long ago and can still play very strong. i don't care if your the best in the world this shot is virtually impossible to execute. the bet stands. i'm sure you personally know some player's here in the states who would take this bet right? call them and they can stand in for ya.
 
skins said:
you don't know what your talking about. i don't want to sound like i'm tooting my horn but i was a very strong player not too long ago and can still play very strong. i don't care if your the best in the world this shot is virtually impossible to execute. the bet stands. i'm sure you personally know some player's here in the states who would take this bet right? call them and they can stand in for ya.
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Are you telling me that I nor anyone else can pot this ball and bring the cue ball back for shape?!?!?:eek:
 
Harvywallbanger said:
Skins,

If you don't think this shot can be made you are mistaken. Do you know the shot where both balls are frozen on the end rail? You shoot with low inside english into the rail to bring the cue back at an angle to spin off the rail and go down table. This is the same shot requiring a little more technique is all.
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duh!! the question is not if the shot can be made it's if can be made with enough draw to get position behind the six using draw and the answer is a 99.99% no that's it. the bet stands. i'll be at the u.s open if you want to try.
 
im gona throw my two cents in on this one..i learned a long time ago from my father who during his time was a great pool player in my home town area..he taught me several things about pool but one thing stuck to my mind that i always carry with me. he said "Son..as long as there are six empty pockets on the table there is always a shot." i have never forgotten that.. the shot that Chang pulled on Bustamante in the challange of champions to me was impossible to make but he played it..the greatest shot i have ever seen was by Efren(who else?!) against Earl the Pearl in the world pool tournament ...a two rail kick cut shot...that even made Earl conceed the match...i mean there are some people who can really play this game ...its like Fast Eddie said in the Hustler..,there are people who can really shoot this game..i mean really show them what playing pool is all about..those are the guys that never end up on tv or posting on this forum..they are in some dusty ass moldy pool room with dead rails and dirty dusty slow ass cloth...who can just create magic on the table..so i say...never say a shot cant be made..cause someone out there can
 
skins said:
yep. bringem' on.
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Well f@#k. I was 100% sure I can and HAVE done this but as confident as you sound I am starting to question myself. I'll let someone else jump on this one.
Are you saying I can't pot it and get ANY draw??? or just enough to get shape.
 
Harvywallbanger said:
Are you telling me that I nor anyone else can pot this ball and bring the cue ball back for shape?!?!?:eek:
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Hah hah.. This is funny, Harvey. YOU know this shot can be made with position. I know this shot can be made with position. But he calls it "virtually impossible", and is trying to swell up because he "used to play real strong".

I think it is very arrogant to think that you "know" a shot is impossible just because you do/used to play strong.

Tom Ross, in the article I linked, said he had been around pool for many years, and was probably a stronger player than the poster, yet details a shot most veteran pool players would insist was impossible. And acknowledged afterwards that he had come to the realization that there were probably lots of things he still did not know about the game.

Spin the Ball George would have had a field day with this guy.

Russ
 
quitecoolguy said:
im gona throw my two cents in on this one..i learned a long time ago from my father who during his time was a great pool player in my home town area..he taught me several things about pool but one thing stuck to my mind that i always carry with me. he said "Son..as long as there are six empty pockets on the table there is always a shot." i have never forgotten that.. the shot that Chang pulled on Bustamante in the challange of champions to me was impossible to make but he played it..the greatest shot i have ever seen was by Efren(who else?!) against Earl the Pearl in the world pool tournament ...a two rail kick cut shot...that even made Earl conceed the match...i mean there are some people who can really play this game ...its like Fast Eddie said in the Hustler..,there are people who can really shot this game..i mean really show them what playing pool is all about..those are the guys that never end up on tv or posting on this forum..they are in some dusty ass moldy pool room with deal rails and dirty dusty slow ass cloth...who cn just create magic on the table..so i say...never say a shot cant be made..cause someone out there can
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i'll say it again 99.99% can't be done. virtually impossible.
 
Russ Chewning said:
Hah hah.. This is funny, Harvey. YOU know this shot can be made with position. I know this shot can be made with position. But he calls it "virtually impossible", and is trying to swell up because he "used to play real strong".

I think it is very arrogant to think that you "know" a shot is impossible just because you do/used to play strong.

Tom Ross, in the article I linked, said he had been around pool for many years, and was probably a stronger player than the poster, yet details a shot most veteran pool players would insist was impossible. And acknowledged afterwards that he had come to the realization that there were probably lots of things he still did not know about the game.

Spin the Ball George would have had a field day with this guy.

Russ
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don't hide behind you ignorance of pool. the bet's on the table.
 
skins said:
call him, i'll bet him too.
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Please God, tell me someone here will take skins up on this.

Skins, I'll tell you what. I already said I am in Iraq, so I can't snap you off, and you could fly here even if you wanted to.

But I GUARANTEE if you go to the U.S. Open and pull out a wad of cash and tell everyone you want to bet on this shot, and are giving 5 shots on it, you WILL get a taker. And you WILL get as much side action as your bankroll will allow.

If you are really going to the U.S. Open, and you really will bet large on this, then I ask Bob to PM me if he is going, so I can have a reputable, known person to hold my bet. Efren, Bustamente, Cory, Earl, or Jeremy Jones. I will bet on any of the players to perform this shot in five tries.

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
... If you have any doubts, check this out http://www.tomrosspool.com/pdf/Techniques/The%20Shot%20of%20the%20Year.pdf . I am 99.95% sure you have never seen this shot. That doesn't mean it's impossible.

Russ
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Lou Butera used to demo this shot in his exhibitions. He played it as a key ball shot at 14.1 where the cue ball normally would go up the table as in Shot B in Ross's article, but the masse would reverse the cue ball to get shape on a bottom-of-the-rack break shot. The shot needs considerably less than 90 degrees of elevation, contrary to the article. This is especially true for the Deuel straight-in where about a 45-degree angle is sufficient.
 
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