Secret To This Shot........

Andrew Manning said:
I think you've got less margin of error in the aiming of this shot than a 12' straight-in snooker shot (CB in one corner, OB in center table).
Click to expand...

andrew, it has nothing to do with "margin for error"' it's plain old physics. you have two identical round objects both contacting on identical points to a semi pliable stationary object on the same line plane separated by a determined distance. when one is struck towards the other it will immediately pull away the straight plane object (ball) because of the friction crated by the round object (ball) and staight plane (rail). the path is no longer "in-line" and must be curved back to center. because of the small amount of force needed to make this shot draw is not a viable option for position.
 
Andrew Manning said:
This shot will never come up in a game. Balls are extremely rarely frozen to the rail except in proposition or exhibition shots. I've never seen a game shot where CB and OB are honest-to-god frozen to the same rail.

-Andrew
Click to expand...

Oh really?? I've had to shoot this shot for real quite a few times in tournaments/matches. The only way I'm able to consistently pot the object ball is with a shot that has a touch of outside english coupled with a touch of jacked up draw. The idea isn't to draw the ball so much as it is to shoot a gentle drag draw shot, get the cue ball past the side pocket, curve back over and hit the object ball just right, without much speed, for you sure don't want the cue ball to follow the object ball into the pocket.

Flex
 
skins said:
i've explained all this already. as far as it being irrelevant that's not quite true either. i've been playing pool for 28 years and this "type" shot though rare has comes up more frequently than you would think. if you havn't seen this shot maybe you havn't played long enough, on enough different tables or just don't remember it happening. your also right that if anyone wanted to take the bet i would end up with the cash because this position can't be done with draw. the worst part about threads like this is you get some posters to argue with you who don't know what there talking about and that can drive a mild manned person like me to start "woofing" and that's me out of character.
Click to expand...

That trick shot artist said taking this bet is for suckers. He's not interested.

You are right.

Flex
 
Flex said:
Oh really?? I've had to shoot this shot for real quite a few times in tournaments/matches. The only way I'm able to consistently pot the object ball is with a shot that has a touch of outside english coupled with a touch of jacked up draw. The idea isn't to draw the ball so much as it is to shoot a gentle drag draw shot, get the cue ball past the side pocket, curve back over and hit the object ball just right, without much speed, for you sure don't want the cue ball to follow the object ball into the pocket.

Flex
Click to expand...

If this came up in a game (meaning the CB and OB rolled to their positions, and were not placed there by hand) then I doubt they were both truly frozen. Even a hair's width of daylight between the ball and the rail is a very different situation than frozen. It's a hell of a coincidence when the ball comes to a stop not .001" before hitting the rail, and not .001" after bouncing off the rail, but in fact right on the rail. That's a pretty bad roll.

-Andrew
 
I can't take it no more. I haven't played in months but tonight I am going to the pool hall and shoot this shot 1000 times. I will report back with my results.
 
I've made this shot a few times. I'm probably 25% to make it. I'll video it and post it tomorrow.
 

Attachments

  • shot.JPG
    shot.JPG
    22.3 KB · Views: 114
Andrew Manning said:
If this came up in a game (meaning the CB and OB rolled to their positions, and were not placed there by hand) then I doubt they were both truly frozen. Even a hair's width of daylight between the ball and the rail is a very different situation than frozen. It's a hell of a coincidence when the ball comes to a stop not .001" before hitting the rail, and not .001" after bouncing off the rail, but in fact right on the rail. That's a pretty bad roll.

-Andrew
Click to expand...

Believe me, it's happened several times, and yes, both balls were absolutely frozen. Making the shot isn't that tough though, just have to practice the shot, and especially get the speed of the cloth down, as well as how much your cue will squirt the cue ball with this sort of shot. Nothing better than for your opponent to leave you this shot and have him see you line up for it, stroke it perfectly and pot, like it was nothing for you, and then continue your run.

Flex
 
It's probably more like 5%. I'm having a hard time making it now.
 
Hal said:
I've made this shot a few times. I'm probably 25% to make it. I'll video it and post it tomorrow.
Click to expand...

not with both balls frozen to the rail. you've never made this position shot. it can't be done period. case closed
 
Flex said:
Believe me, it's happened several times, and yes, both balls were absolutely frozen. Making the shot isn't that tough though, just have to practice the shot, and especially get the speed of the cloth down, as well as how much your cue will squirt the cue ball with this sort of shot. Nothing better than for your opponent to leave you this shot and have him see you line up for it, stroke it perfectly and pot, like it was nothing for you, and then continue your run.

Flex
Click to expand...

your right flex it's happend to me many times also. your also graduate to the next level for learning a little about friction shots. this position shot cant' be done period. to everyone else there's no sense in wasting your time here go play more pool.
 
Flex said:
That trick shot artist said taking this bet is for suckers. He's not interested.

You are right.

Flex
Click to expand...

i hope all of you that doubted me are reading this. i'll either take an apology or your money you make the call. ;) :D

flex, you did ruin my action though but saved me a trip to iraq.... so i'll forgive ya. ;)
 
I can't believe there are so many people here who don't think they can pot that five and draw back 4 the six. I just went down to my gold crown and made it with good shape a couple of times. It took me 12 times to do it, so the percentages are not with you but to say it's not possible is just not true
 
skins said:
i hope all of you that doubted me are reading this. i'll either take an apology or your money you make the call. ;) :D

flex, you did ruin my action though but saved me a trip to iraq.... so i'll forgive ya. ;)
Click to expand...

By the way, he didn't say he couldn't make the 5 and then sink the 6, he just said it was a low percentage shot, one for suckers. Maybe someone will still take you up on it... :D

Sorry about your action :rolleyes: However, there are guys (and probably gals, too) who might want to take a shot at this thing in any case...

Flex
 
NineBallNut said:
I can't believe there are so many people here who don't think they can pot that five and draw back 4 the six. I just went down to my gold crown and made it with good shape a couple of times. It took me 12 times to do it, so the percentages are not with you but to say it's not possible is just not true
Click to expand...

The trick shot artist said on a table with 5 inch pockets he'd shoot it, cheating the pocket, and draw the ball back uptable for shape on the 6. However, he said on tightpocketed tournament tables like they have at the Open, that it was for suckers...

Flex
 
Flex said:
The trick shot artist said on a table with 5 inch pockets he'd shoot it, cheating the pocket, and draw the ball back uptable for shape on the 6. However, he said on tightpocketed tournament tables like they have at the Open, that it was for suckers...

Flex
Click to expand...
that's what I was going to edit in. you would have to have big pockets. I don't see it going in on a tight table
 
NineBallNut said:
I can't believe there are so many people here who don't think they can pot that five and draw back 4 the six. I just went down to my gold crown and made it with good shape a couple of times. It took me 12 times to do it, so the percentages are not with you but to say it's not possible is just not true
Click to expand...

the balls aren't frozen to the rail. i'll bet you you can't get position using draw for six in the corner. i'll set the shot up 5 tries for any amount you wish.
 
NineBallNut said:
that's what I was going to edit in. you would have to have big pockets. I don't see it going in on a tight table
Click to expand...

one more time....... you can't do it. when are you guys gonna learn:confused:
 
skins said:
one more time....... you can't do it. when are you guys gonna learn:confused:
Click to expand...

I was just coming back to say that with my pocket reducers, I couldn't make it once.

So your saying it can't be done on any table? Then how did I do it? Lucky? probably.....lol, but it happened on my table with big pockets. However if one were to bet on making this shot, I do think they would go broke.

Most of the time the cue ball squirts off, the others, the 5 ball hangs in the damn pocket
 
skins said:
the balls aren't frozen to the rail. i'll bet you you can't get position using draw for six in the corner. i'll set the shot up 5 tries for any amount you wish.
Click to expand...

Lol how do you define "frozen", because your telling me I don't know what a frozen ball is so by all means enlighten me so I can set the shot up correctly
 
NineBallNut said:
that's what I was going to edit in. you would have to have big pockets. I don't see it going in on a tight table
Click to expand...

you can't get position with draw doing this shot, both cue ball and 5 ball frozen to the rail, on any normal table big pockets or small.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top