Secret To This Shot........

Russ Chewning said:
Haw haw haw!!! You said it's a 99% MISS, but now somehow, yer only willing to give 2 to 1 on the money? If you believe your probabilities, you should still make money giving 50 to 1 on the money. With only 2 to 1 on the money per try, yer requiring a 50% make percentage to get yer money.

Put up some money odds in line with what YOU think the make percentage is. And please quit woofing at me. I already told you I am in Iraq for at least 2 years. If what you said is correct about you appreciating my sacrifice, quit making me look like I am dodging you.

What I AM saying is I will definitely back a pro to try you out, assuming you make the money worth it. If you are saying 2 to 1 on the money per each 10 try bet, then you got it. If yer talking about 2 to 1 per actual try, that would be suicide for me to take.

Russ
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2 to 1 per each 10 try session. when do want to come down? pm me your phone number and we'll talk about it and then post the results here on az.

i had to edit this because i forgot he was the one in iraq. oh well i'll have to wait a couple years. tha'ts ok i'm patient. let me know when you get home. stay safe.
 
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Skins, If me calling you arrogant offended you then I apologize.

All I am saying is that you should be a little more open minded about the shot. It is a very low percentage shot but to insist that people that are telling you that they have made the shot are not freezing the ball to the rail is mighty presumptous. If I push the balls to the rail, tap them to make sure they stay, and perform this shot, would you still say it was not frozen? If so then you make it so the shot is not provable.



It all boils down to I think this shot can be done, you don't so we agree to disagree!:)
 
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NineBallNut said:
Skins, If me calling you arrogant offended you then I apologize.

All I am saying is that you should be a little more open minded about the shot. It is a very low percentage shot but to insist that people that are telling you that they have made the shot are not freezing the ball to the rail is mighty presumptous. If I push the balls to the rail, tap them to make sure they stay, and perform this shot, would you still say it was not frozen? If so then you make it so the shot is not provable.



It all boils down to I think this shot can be done, you don't so we agree to disagree!:)
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same here. listen i don't mean to call anyone a liar here but i think if you say you made this shot and position then you are either lying or it wasn't set up right. that's why i've put the challenge out on the table because this shot though make-able for a decent player the position afterward isn't. even if both balls were off the rail the force and stroke needed to just draw the ball back 3 feet is not that easy. now factor in "freezing" the two balls on a straight rail and also making the ball. as soon as you hit the cue ball it will come off the rail. if you try to make the shot by using an off aim and swerve technique the force alone you would have to hit the shot to make it and draw the ball back wouldn't give the ball enough time to swerve back into position to hit the ball straight and pot the ball. it's very easy to understand. i've seen many try and no one make it. my position holds until someone does it when i set it up.
 
skins said:
one more time....... you can't do it. when are you guys gonna learn:confused:
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I set up this shot, object ball 2 inches toward the foot rail from the second diamond(up from footrail), and cue ball 2 inches(toward foot rail) from the 5th diamond(from foot rail), and i made it on the 3rd try. The cue ended up about 6 inches from the (same)side rail and just past the side pocket. Plenty of room to cut the 6 in. Both balls were frozen when i left them, and the cue definately stayed frozen. And yes, the table is loose.

Now don't try to proposition me on 1 in 3 tries, i know it was probably a fluke. The shot can be made, and that's all i'm saying. I will not take any prop. bet on this, but if you do want to bet say $1,000 that i can make it, i will certainly take you up on that, but i get as many tries as i want.

The bottom line is i may not be able to make it 1 in 5, or 1 in 100, but it definately can be made.

I tried it about 20 times after, and did not make it. Seeing how my right foot is broken, i gave up after standing on one foot for ten minutes.

Rodney
 
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skins said:
come on russ. get smart. just so we're clear on this i never said the "shot" can't be made. i said the shot cant be made with draw to get position behind the six to make the ball in the same side opposite corner pocket. do you still want to "rob" me because i'm in northwest indiana and since you have such a great chance of "robbing" me you wouldn't mind the 5 hour drive to make bank right. i'll bet you 2 to 1 . let me know when you want to do it.
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You really only need to draw it a diamond and a half to be able to cut the 6 in. If your talking about drawing it back enough to get almost straight in on the six, or to have an east shot, then i probably can't do it.
 
I myself just set this shot up. AND YES I had both balls frozen as a stiff. I made it and drew the cue ball back towards the opposit corner around the 6th diamond for PERFECT shape.
You are dead wrong and you WILL loose if you bet this with a top player. I will take the bet if you give me 50 tries for $500. Sorry thats all I have to my name but I will put it up if you can make it to Indiana.
 
Rodney said:
I set up this shot, object ball 2 inches toward the foot rail from the second diamond(up from footrail), and cue ball 2 inches(toward foot rail) from the 5th diamond(from foot rail), and i made it on the 3rd try. The cue ended up about 6 inches from the (same)side rail about and just past the side pocket. Plenty of room to cut the 6 in. Both balls were frozen when i left them, and the cue definately stayed frozen. And yes, the table is loose.

Now don't try to proposition me on 1 in 3 tries, i know it was probably a fluke. The shot can be made, and that's all i'm saying. I will not take any prop. bet on this, but if you do want to bet say $1,000 that i can make it, i will certainly take you up on that, but i get as many tries as i want.

The bottom line is i may not be able to make it 1 in 5, or 1 in 100, but it definately can be made.

I tried it about 20 times after, and did not make it. Seeing how my right foot is broken, i gave up after standing on one foot for ten minutes.

Rodney
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no offense rodney but i 've been a player for 20+ years and have never made this position nor ever seen anyone make it and i've been around and seen many try so as i'll say again either your not setting it up right or your embelishing. i stand by that and as i said will take on the challenge with anyone after i set the shot up.
 
Harvywallbanger said:
I myself just set this shot up. AND YES I had both balls frozen as a stiff. I made it and drew the cue ball back towards the opposit corner around the 6th diamond for PERFECT shape.
You are dead wrong and you WILL loose if you bet this with a top player. I will take the bet if you give me 50 tries for $500. Sorry thats all I have to my name but I will put it up if you can make it to Indiana.
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your on i'll take that bet. pm me your phone number. as long as your in the continental us and we'll set it up 50 try's for the till.
 
skins said:
your on i'll take that bet. pm me your phone number. as long as your in the continental us and we'll set it up 50 try's for the till.
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I am playing on a barbox....does that still count? Anyways you are so eager to bet this shot I am a little worried you have something up your sleav. I will do it if you dont touch the balls. I set it up and you can look at them to tell me if they are frozen. If so I will PM you my # because I just MADE THE FREAKING SHOT!!!
 
skins said:
your on i'll take that bet. pm me your phone number. as long as your in the continental us and we'll set it up 50 try's for the till.
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Where's this challenge going to take place? I'd like to see it. Are you guys both going to be at DCC in January? I think there would be a lot of side action. If you do it under more private circumstances, please have a video camera rolling. :)

Tracy
 
Harvywallbanger said:
I am playing on a barbox....does that still count? Anyways you are so eager to bet this shot I am a little worried you have something up your sleav. I will do it if you dont touch the balls. I set it up and you can look at them to tell me if they are frozen. If so I will PM you my # because I just MADE THE FREAKING SHOT!!!
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all this time and now your saying barbox come on gimme a break. same table 9' and same shot as posted. that's the bet. for you 50 try's for the till. i'm here when you decide to take it.
 
skins said:
all this time and now your saying barbox come on gimme a break. same table 9' and same shot as posted. that's the bet. for you 50 try's for the till. i'm here when you decide to take it.
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I'm sorry but there isn't a 9 foot table in my pool hall. And who said the WEI diagram is a 9 footer? Are you saying it is possible on a barbox but not a 9 footer? If it can be made on a barbox it can be made on a 9 footer with fast cloth I would think. Anyways even if you said you would of taken my bet on the barbox I would of declined. I was serious when I made the offer but after thought I realized I don't know you or what your character make up is. I'm sure your a fine guy but betting a stranger that kind of money is just not my thing. I'm sure you will get a taker though.:)
 
skins said:
all this time and now your saying barbox come on gimme a break. same table 9' and same shot as posted. that's the bet. for you 50 try's for the till. i'm here when you decide to take it.
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If you are giving 20 tries and all that is required is to make the 5 and draw back and then make the 6 and you are willing to put up big money; you are going to get ROBBED!!!! I know several players I would back on this bet and I know they would make both balls a minimum of 3 times in 20. If you have specific requirements of where they have to draw to or if no masse or no english is allowed or any other limiting requirements then you may be able to make it impossible.

With 50 tries I would bet it up myself and I don't have near the draw stroke of a lot of players.

Wayne
 
wayne said:
If you are giving 20 tries and all that is required is to make the 5 and draw back and then make the 6 and you are willing to put up big money; you are going to get ROBBED!!!! I know several players I would back on this bet and I know they would make both balls a minimum of 3 times in 20. If you have specific requirements of where they have to draw to or if no masse or no english is allowed or any other limiting requirements then you may be able to make it impossible.

With 50 tries I would bet it up myself and I don't have near the draw stroke of a lot of players.

Wayne
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Hah Hah! I been TELLING you guys he was off his rocker saying this was impossible. I used to practice this shot for hours because I saw it (if I am correct) in Byrne's Standard book of pool.

I was thinking I was crazy when noone was coming to my defense at first.

Russ
 
Robert Byrne's "Byrne's New Standard Book of Pool and Billiards", Page 44.

It doesn't say anything about drawing the cue ball. It has a picture basically the same as DCP's WEI diagram and the following is written:

"At the bottom of the diagram, both the cueball and the object ball are frozen to the rail with the side pocket between them. The shot can be made with a center ball hit provided the cueball isn't deflected by the corner of the pocket. To avoid that lamentable possibility, use left English and aim the cue ball so that it leaves the rail by the smallest possible fraction of an inch. With a little luck, the English will bring the cueball back to the rail beyond the pocket and hold it there until it hits the object ball. Shoot softly to give the English a chance to work and to avoid following the object ball into the corner."

Anyone know of any written info on drawing this shot?
 
wayne said:
If you are giving 20 tries and all that is required is to make the 5 and draw back and then make the 6 and you are willing to put up big money; you are going to get ROBBED!!!! I know several players I would back on this bet and I know they would make both balls a minimum of 3 times in 20. If you have specific requirements of where they have to draw to or if no masse or no english is allowed or any other limiting requirements then you may be able to make it impossible.

With 50 tries I would bet it up myself and I don't have near the draw stroke of a lot of players.

Wayne
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ok your on. put up or shut up. i'll offer the bet to you . pm me with your phone and we'll talk.
 
TX Poolnut said:
Robert Byrne's "Byrne's New Standard Book of Pool and Billiards", Page 44.

It doesn't say anything about drawing the cue ball. It has a picture basically the same as DCP's WEI diagram and the following is written:

"At the bottom of the diagram, both the cueball and the object ball are frozen to the rail with the side pocket between them. The shot can be made with a center ball hit provided the cueball isn't deflected by the corner of the pocket. To avoid that lamentable possibility, use left English and aim the cue ball so that it leaves the rail by the smallest possible fraction of an inch. With a little luck, the English will bring the cueball back to the rail beyond the pocket and hold it there until it hits the object ball. Shoot softly to give the English a chance to work and to avoid following the object ball into the corner."

Anyone know of any written info on drawing this shot?
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your right and that's why he says hit it slow and (without draw) because the shot is like said a 99.99% quack for this type position. Robert Byrne knows what i know. call him and ask him. you guy's are all funny. i've given you the answer and you refuse to accept it. and all that say they've made it, i like the guy that said he made it what 4 out of 5 times :rolleyes: . let me set it up and he'd make it none out of 50 times. come on guy's i'm getting tired but it's still fun.
 
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