Several reasons why not to support the IPT

juegabillar

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Yesterday I commented against the IPT. Someone said I was crazy. All WPA member federations should have gotten this letter by now. I am sharing this with all of you with proper authorization. Anyone is welcomed to comment.

Letter from Ian Anderson - President of the World
Pool-Billiard Asociation (WPA):

19 August, 2005

To All Players and Federations

I write to you as both a former professional billiard player and as the President of the World Pool-Billiard Association. It has taken me some time to compile this letter, but I felt it was important that it be written, given the recent announcements within our sport. All I ask is for you to take a few minutes to read it, and give consideration to what is being said.

You have all most likely seen or heard about the latest news announcing new events which are being organized by a new promotions organization in the USA, the International Pool Tour, or more commonly referred to as IPT. No doubt these new events will all sound great to you as pool players, but I do ask you to sit back and give very serious consideration to what this may all mean to both yourself and the long term future of the sport.

Like many others before, IPT sees itself as its own authority and does not wish to be under the scrutiny of any legitimate body, such as the WPA. This decision of theirs is cause for concern in itself. Why wouldn’t they want legitimate sanctioning by the world’s only legitimately recognized international organization for pool? This is a good question to consider. Because at the end of the day the sanctioning doesn’t cost them anything; it is for free because the sanctioning fee comes from the added prize fund.

When you consider the amounts of money being bandied about, the amount that the WPA would receive may seem like an awful lot of money for a pool organization to get, but the truth is that all of the money goes back into the sport. The main bulk of this money would most likely be put back in the form of one or two extra tournaments each year, or used to boost up prize money to already existing events.

With reference to a Questions and Answers release from IPT: First of all let’s take a look IPT’s first event. It’s being hailed as the “World 8-Ball Championship”. That’s great isn’t it? Here is an event being played between two Americans and that is supposed to constitute a legitimate world championship, at least according to IPT ! And who’s contesting this “world championship” event – two players whose better playing days are probably sometime behind them. I have no objection to a challenge type match between these two contestants, but really, to try and claim it as a world championship event is insulting.

So where does that leave the WPA World 8-Ball Championship in comparison to the IPT event? Who is the real champion? Well according to IPT it sounds like it must be the winner of their event. “As of right now, in my opinion, there is no world 8 Ball champion.” I’m pleased in this quote it was clarified as being the writer’s opinion, because I’m sure that is not how everyone else feels. Who do you consider should be recognized as the true world champion? Should it be the winner of a challenge match whose player selection was made according to the ‘old pals act’, or Efren Reyes who won the WPA World 8-Ball Championship last year, in a contest that featured 63 other leading players from more than twenty countries worldwide. They were players who had to qualify to earn a start in the event.

In all articles associated with IPT, the subject of “huge” money is inevitably raised. Their proposed tour certainly sounds exciting, and is indeed a worthy amount of money being talked about. But comments like “I am not doing this to make money.” have to be queried. It may be true that Mr. Trudeau doesn’t have to make money on this venture, but there is no doubt in most minds that this really is his objective – to make money. And nobody can begrudge him of that, if he is willing to invest in the sport then he is entitled to earn a return.

But surely he is doing it to make money; he hopes to make money by selling the matches to pay-per-view television. Anyone who believes he is simply doing it because he can afford to and he wants to put all this money into the pockets of pool players he doesn’t even know, those people must still believe in Santa Claus. You will no doubt have seen the $199 entry fee per tournament and the $899 membership fee.

1.The IPT also differentiates itself from all other tours with the fact that our events will be produced for television to a higher level of professionalism than any other event. The production quality of the events will be superlative. No one can compete with the production values that the IPT events will have. The amount of television coverage that IPT events will have will dwarf any other tour's television coverage exposure.

The paragraph above is certainly some claim. The WPA World 9-Ball Championship goes out to 80 countries with an audience of some 500,000,000 people. Imagine how many people must be watching IPT’s event if it is going to dwarf everything else !

If you bother to read the Q & A article in full, you will notice a number of incorrect statements and claims; far too many to address in this letter.

In simple terms, what I am trying to say to you is this: We have all seen these sorts of ideas and promises before. Mostly they don’t get any further than just being an idea, usually because they are unable to raise the necessary funds to develop their ideas, but in fairness to IPT it doesn’t appear as though money will be the problem.

The main concern is that if this project is allowed to develop under IPT’s structure, the future of the sport as we know it today could be in jeopardy. What assurances are there from IPT as to how long they intend to stay in the business? Sure, we will hear it is long term, but what assurances are they giving other than some verbal promises. You surely wouldn’t expect to hear them say, “Well, we’ll just try it and see what happens. If it doesn’t work and we can’t earn any money, then we’re outta here”. But this may well be closer to the truth.

Their reasons for not wanting to sanction with the WPA is a great concern for us. If you were really intent on developing the sport properly, why wouldn’t you want the world governing body to sanction the event, which would make their events legitimate – especially when they want to call it a “world championship”.

Is their reason because they wouldn’t want the WPA to receive so much money? Money that we have said we would be putting back into the sport by one way or another. Some of the money could be used to help administer the sport more professionally. As you would all know, the work done by the WPA is done on an honorary basis and this seldom can be as good when compared to being able to pay for your help.

The WPA was set up in 1987 in an effort to make the games of pocket billiards have a more international flavor. Pool was happening within the USA, Japan and some countries of Europe. With the forming of the WPA, a true world championship was able to be held, bringing together players from all different countries to compete.

Just three continents were the foundation members of the WPA, and today we have six, every continent is a member.

From these humble beginnings, with only a few tournaments for players and where the members were obligated to stage the world championships for men and women we have now reached a stage where our calendar is almost full every year. This has only been achieved because of the existence of the WPA, by bringing everyone together. All our memberships work closely together to co-ordinate events to prevent clashes and to give all players a better chance of playing in as many events as possible.

Unlike organizations such as IPT, the WPA has a number of responsibilities far beyond what most players would realize. Importantly, we are not here for the short haul, but rather the long. We are committed to the long term development of the sport; not just pack up tomorrow if something happens that we don’t like. We are a non-profit organization and whatever money we make, we are obligated to invest it back into the sport one way or another.

We have to invest in the future, to make sure that the sport keeps going and growing by developing the young, probably the most important investment we can make. We have to help with such other activities as Artistic and Disabled disciplines. We have to help develop and train referees and other official’s criteria so that when a competition takes place and we need officials, we will have competent people to do the job. We need to recognize and endorse player coaching programs.

We have to make and amend policies to maintain our Olympic recognition, something which I’m sure you would all be aware is important to us. Many a nation receives benefits as a result of WPA’s membership to the IOC. Fortunate players from these countries are already receiving great assistance from their governments and National Olympic Committees and this number is growing all the time. And for any of you that may not count this as being so important, just ask the thoughts of players who took part in the recent World Games.

So it’s all well and good for someone to come along now and tell everyone what they’re going to do, and that they don’t want to work with anyone because they are so great; but I ask what is IPT going to do for the future of our sport? What programs have they got planned that will allow the opportunity for a youngster to be trained so that when he reaches that ripe old age of sixteen, he can have the opportunity to win an Open World Championship? What programs have they got that will give players the opportunities to play in future World Games, and hopefully soon, Olympic Games? Indeed, where were they when the game was really struggling and we badly needed help? Funny, we didn’t hear from them, but now that the hard yards have been done, they want to come along and show everyone how it should be done.

As you all know and have experienced, we have a wonderful and long relationship with other promotion companies who are only too pleased to be associated with the WPA. They obviously can see the benefits of the relationship. I refer here to Matchroom, Matt Braun, Mr. Tu Sports, our friends in the UAE, IBC and more recently Barry Behrman. Their events are staged in conjunction with the international that our members such as APBU, BCA/UPA and EPBF put together.

Please don’t jeopardize what we have all worked so long and hard for, especially you the players. It is improving all the time. Prize money for the World 9-Ball event will be increased for next year and Matchroom is also considering an additional event for next year.

Before you make any decision, all I ask is for you to take clear consideration of the positives and the minuses in order for you to make correct judgment. There is an old saying about the grass always appearing greener on the other side of the hill, but seldom is once you reach it; perhaps this saying may be appropriate here.

There is no sound reason why IPT should snub the WPA. I believe it to be the case at present because of some bad advice they may have been given. Everything would be easier and more beneficial to all concerned for them to work with all of us. It would eliminate any possible disciplinary action on those who break rank. I promise you that if everyone sticks together and supports each other; insist that IPT work together with the WPA, the future will never have looked so bright. The most damaging thing anyone can do to any sport is to cause disharmony and disruption.

You people are powerful and hold the key for the future to our sport. Use it together; we have all worked too hard to get to where we are today. Let’s not risk losing all of this simply because someone who has a lot of money comes along and makes grand promises, and may be gone again as quickly as he came. Let’s encourage ITP to work together with us for everyone’s benefit.

In closing, I thank you for your time to read this letter, and I urge you most sincerely, that before anyone makes a hasty decision to turn to IPT, at least speak with your WPA representative body before doing so. Or if anyone would like to discuss this any further with me, then I am more than happy to be available to you, please make contact at an address below. The future has never looked so good.

With best wishes



IAN ANDERSON
WPA President
 
considering where pool is at, where it has been, and its chronic bleak future, there's nothing for the wpa to hang its hat on either. tv to over 80 countries with a viewership of 500,000,000???!!!,,, that's a lot of bragging for a sport that's going nowhere.

do you REALLY believe either party?
 
if the most they can criticize the ipt for is high entry fees and being unsure whether they will promote the sport in the future, it doesnt sound too bad. although there are other concerns such as kevin trudeau's reputation, i think we should at least give it a chance. if it actually gets big enough to where it drowns out the other competing tours i say thats a GOOD thing because they wont simply give it up after making a good profit, they will expand. lets face it, pool right now isnt exactly a primetime event. also, i dont see how they can criticize the fees. more than likely the membership and entry fees wont be profit for the ipt as the money added should far exceed that. if it is setup right, all the profit should come from selling commercial time and/or pay per view fees.

now if the ipt had a clause where the members couldnt join any other tours or they intentionally scheduled tournaments to directly compete with other major tournaments i would have reason for concern, but until i hear of something underhanded to that effect, we should give them a chance.
 
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If they can truely have $1,000,000 prize funds and low entries fees...who cares? Show me the money.

Why should the WPA receive any money? Who will ask for money next the BCA, WPA, APA, UPA? Yea, I would like some money too!

As far as the IPT attaching the title "world 8 ball championships" to their tournament, who cares? It is a marketing tactic. What constitutes a "world championship" tournament anyway? The best players? The largest prize fund? The largest field? Somewhere in between all of the above? Lets not argue over semantics. No tournament owns that title.

I think the IPT has the potential to a great organization. Time will tell. If the prize money is there, they will be successful. No other current or past pool organization has been able to pull off this size of prize fund.

I hope they prosper as well as the sport.
 
LastTwo said:
Screw the WPA, this guy obviously thinks pool is just fine where it is. What an idiot.

EXACTLY! The only message I got from his rambling letter is that he's feeling quite threatened - and rightfully so. He should be. Sounds like a nervous beaurocrat to me.

But to argue the effectiveness of the WPA as a Sanctioning body? Granted the WPA has had a few successes, certainly not impactful enough in the grand scheme of things for anyone to feel loyal.

Filling 3-rows of seats in a Casino meeting room and 1/4 point on ESPN ain't exactly hittin' a homerun. And how many pro players are still waiting to get paid from "Sanctioned Events"? What % of room owners will tell you their biz is up the last 5 years? If 5 area rooms have closed and the surviving room has a substantial increase, Ian will tell you how good the room owner is doing.

The Sport has been withering on the vine long enough. I think we all have high hopes for the IPT to give our Sport the vitamin B shot that it desperately needs. Ian, the WPA, the {cough} UPA, et al had their opportunity. I for one fully support the IPT and am damn pleased that someone with the finances, vision, motivation and experience will help to lift our sport out of the shadows and into the mainstream.

And Ian, when Boxing became an accepted mainstream sport and was beamed into millions of American homes at $20.00 - $75.00 a fight, there were THREE Championship Belts. "World 8-Ball Championship"? Perfect. Properly packaged, hyped, promoted and marketed. Exactly what we need.
 
WOW that certainly has the sounds of desperation to it, Please don't jeopardize...blah blah blah...almost like begging....that has to be the most sad letter I have ever read, but kinda funny too:D if I belong to an organization and got that letter I would be disturbed. It's no wonder he wants the IPT to join UNDER them and pay the dues of what $10,000 a year, and don't they take a 5% cut from every event? but as he says it all goes back into pool....all is such a big word,:D I would be hesitant to think all the money goes back into pool, administrative cost can be pretty big. lol

So for him to make it seem like this is bad for pool is only him trying to save the WPA, and I question why he would think the WPA would even worry about the IPT if it's so shaky and he feels not worth chancing, why would he even be interested in the IPT joining under the WPA???

If anyone just skipped through that letter, please take your time to read it, I havn't read anything like that in a while, even mentions disciplinary action on those who break rank, wow thats a fun group to belong to, Kevin said your free to play in any other tour you want, but not his guy...he's go to spank you :eek:
 
juegabillar said:
The main concern is that if this project is allowed to develop under IPT’s structure, the future of the sport as we know it today could be in jeopardy.

JB,
I edited out all the non-essential parts of his screed; leaving the above...to which I say - BRAVO!! Who really wants things to continue "as we know it today" (other than Mr. Anderson who has a somewhat vested interest in maintaining the status quo)?

There are some good things about modern international pool; but if some sugar daddy wants to come in and throw money around indiscriminately and make his own rules, then its alright with me.
 
Unbelievable

Imagine if everyone were to heed this man's words, and didn't support the IPT; and if that were to cause the IPT to fail, the world of pool would be just where it is now.......It's unbelievable that this guy would put out a letter like this.....
 
juegabillar said:
..........Why wouldn’t they want legitimate sanctioning by the world’s only legitimately recognized international organization for pool? This is a good question to consider. Because at the end of the day the sanctioning doesn’t cost them anything; it is for free because the sanctioning fee comes from the added prize fund...........

Can anyone explain to me what this portion of the letter means?

To be honest, I have far less problem with this letter than others who've posted. Even if we, as a group, feel the WPA could be doing more for pool, the fact remains that it does something for pool at all levels with the sanctioning fees collected. Whether such funds are appropriated optimally or even wisely is, of course, a matter for debate.

In view of its mission, it's understandable that the WPA is concerned that no vehicle seems to be in place ensuring that the sport as a whole may benefit from the exploits of the IPT. Obviously, if the result of the IPT is a success resulting in network coverage of pool, the sport will benefit at every level, but only time will tell.

I'm inclined to agree wth most that the IPT is a roll of the dice that pro pool could possibly regret one day, but a roll that pool has to take in view of the possible upside.
 
sjm said:
I'm inclined to agree wth most that the IPT is a roll of the dice that pro pool could possibly regret one day, but a roll that pool has to take in view of the possible upside.

Here's how I see it. If the IPT gets a bad roll of the dice & the tour is a bust, it will just be a string of many tries. IF the roll of the dice is a WINNER, hallefukinglujah, the crowds & TV will follow the money, just like poker. Can you imagine how many top players will come out of the woodwork, for a shot at BIG TIME MONEY? The you can add VENDORS & CONCESSIONAIRES, as sponsors, & the MEDIA coverage, taboot. Pool Halls will all go big time & the Casino's will have Pool Rooms too.. Upscale Pool Rooms are everywhere.

God it just gets bigger & bigger... where's my Tuxedo? GOOD LUCK Kevin...
 
sjm said:
Can anyone explain to me what this portion of the letter means?

To be honest, I have far less problem with this letter than others who've posted. Even if we, as a group, feel the WPA could be doing more for pool, the fact remains that it does something for pool at all levels with the sanctioning fees collected. Whether such funds are appropriated optimally or even wisely is, of course, a matter for debate.

In view of its mission, it's understandable that the WPA is concerned that no vehicle seems to be in place ensuring that the sport as a whole may benefit from the exploits of the IPT. Obviously, if the result of the IPT is a success resulting in network coverage of pool, the sport will benefit at every level, but only time will tell.

I'm inclined to agree wth most that the IPT is a roll of the dice that pro pool could possibly regret one day, but a roll that pool has to take in view of the possible upside.

Excuse me if I am being short-sighted, but what could transpire with the IPT in which pro pool could possibly regret one day? What is the downside which would push pool as a sport any further down then it is now?
 
several reasons why not to support the IPT

And who’s contesting this “world championship” event – two players whose better playing days are probably sometime behind them. I have no objection to a challenge type match between these two contestants, but really, to try and claim it as a world championship event is insulting.

.....Ask if you can play either one.....

Its all about THE MONEY its what makes the WORLD go around!

It may not be around long term but just like everything else in Pool ride while it last.
 
jason said:
If they can truely have $1,000,000 prize funds and low entries fees...who cares? Show me the money.

AMEN...Show me the money. :p
 
wahcheck said:
Excuse me if I am being short-sighted, but what could transpire with the IPT in which pro pool could possibly regret one day? What is the downside which would push pool as a sport any further down then it is now?

If the IPT venture were to fail:

1. In the years in which IPT exists, the vitality of some other events, even organizations may be threatened, as the IPT events will surely conflcit with the schedules of some of the existinfg . If the result is a reduction in tournament sanctioning fees that land in the hands of an organization that reinvests such funds into the sport, then it can be a negative.

2. If the venture proved a disreputable scam, and many fear this as an often discredited, though successful, businessman is at the helm, it could possibly reenforce (perhaps, even add to) the negative image of pool players, often viewed by the public as inclined to sacrifice their integrity for a buck. In such a scenario, potential sponsors of pro pool would have to wrestle with the possibility that some of the players were in on the scam, and might steer clear of this sport.

3. There is at least the possibility that some dissension in the ranks of pro players could result from this venture

Unfortunately, it's not a "we've got nothing to lose" situation.
 
IPT Support

I guess after tonight we could see a hugh step in the right direction.
The IPT should not prevent people from playing in the WPA championships. It is a world title and I am sure it will always be represented.
As far as your count of people who saw the 2005 World Pool Championships.
In the USA it has not been shown as of yet.

ESPN did not even make a mention of 16year old WU winning the world title which is in fact history.

If the IPT is sucessful it could also help the WPA as well. You see here in the USA we only see taped pool matches on a one month delay if we are lucky.

Brunswick - Simonis - etc are great to sponser the sport.
But what pool needs is Nike - McDonalds - Coke - Microsoft to back it.
Tennis players made nothing at one time as well now look.

I think this is in the IPT plans with such big payouts.
These Pro's play all over the world and need to make a living.

I think I read in one of Byrne's books that in the 20's - 30's
Ralph Greenleaf was making about 100,000 a year which was a much as Babe Ruth (what happened)

I wish one day we have live pool on TV, that the greatest players in the world can make a good living.

I think it can only help the sport as well as the WPA - BCA - UPA and anyone else
 
Sounds like he is scared of competition lol

This reminds me of the time the guy from Apple was crying on television because somebody (Microsoft) back engineered their laser printer and was able to sell the technology at a much cheaper price. Apple charged $1000 per printer made :(

Anyways, he was crying because a competitor came along and took a side of beef from his cash cow. I just laughed at his lack of public dignity.

The WPA sees a real threat, soon they may be crying...
 
fbreen said:
I think I read in one of Byrne's books that in the 20's - 30's
Ralph Greenleaf was making about 100,000 a year which was a much as Babe Ruth (what happened)?

I think they both died.

Boro Nut
 
juegabillar said:
When you consider the amounts of money being bandied about, the amount that the WPA would receive may seem like an awful lot of money for a pool organization to get, but the truth is that all of the money goes back into the sport. The main bulk of this money would most likely be put back in the form of one or two extra tournaments each year, or used to boost up prize money to already existing events.

Yeah, why in the world would Kevin want to give the WPA $250,000? especially when He will be doing all the work, paying all the advertising, taking all the risk etc.. and why would he want to have to listen to what they want and what they think he should do, obviously they have done little to promote pool like he will.

juegabillar said:
But surely he is doing it to make money; he hopes to make money by selling the matches to pay-per-view television. Anyone who believes he is simply doing it because he can afford to and he wants to put all this money into the pockets of pool players he doesn’t even know, those people must still believe in Santa Claus. You will no doubt have seen the $199 entry fee per tournament and the $899 membership fee.

Why do people bring up the membership fee? and It'd so obvious that the money from the membership fee's from the 150 players ($135,000) this is not the area where money will be made, it doesn't even come close to cover even production cost of one event.

juegabillar said:
The main concern is that if this project is allowed to develop under IPT’s structure, the future of the sport as we know it today could be in jeopardy. What assurances are there from IPT as to how long they intend to stay in the business? Sure, we will hear it is long term, but what assurances are they giving other than some verbal promises. You surely wouldn’t expect to hear them say, “Well, we’ll just try it and see what happens. If it doesn’t work and we can’t earn any money, then we’re outta here”. But this may well be closer to the truth.

The main benefit of the IPT is the future of the sport as we know it is in jeopardy:D Of course there is no assurance it will continue or even work, but the reason pool is where it's at is because current leaders in pool are not taking risk's, without risk's rewards are small, We needed someone willing to take risk's and change things up, put the sport in the headlines etc..

juegabillar said:
Their reasons for not wanting to sanction with the WPA is a great concern for us. If you were really intent on developing the sport properly, why wouldn’t you want the world governing body to sanction the event, which would make their events legitimate – especially when they want to call it a “world championship”.

Of course it's a great concern for the WPA, they would love to have the IPT folded in under their authority and take a cut of the purses, I hardly think the WPA is developing the sport properly, they fail to take chances fail to get real advertising money fail to make the news. So they ultimately fail to offer a chance for great players to take the risk, after expenses if a player ends up in 10th place he loses money, for a true unified tour, you need at least the top 30 to make money at every stop, and even the bottom players to cover expenses.

juegabillar said:
There is no sound reason why IPT should snub the WPA. I believe it to be the case at present because of some bad advice they may have been given. Everything would be easier and more beneficial to all concerned for them to work with all of us. It would eliminate any possible disciplinary action on those who break rank. I promise you that if everyone sticks together and supports each other; insist that IPT work together with the WPA, the future will never have looked so bright. The most damaging thing anyone can do to any sport is to cause disharmony and disruption.

There is every reason in the world why the IPT should stay clear of the WPA, some of this letter alone proves that, Yeah sure it would make things easier...for the WPA:D

The most damaging thing anyone can do is not be innovative and not take some risk's and continue on a path of the same old model and same old methods, pool needs a breath of fresh air. if it fails, does anyone really think we can't be right back where we are now? how hard would that be.


So what if the IPT tries and fails, it's better to try and fail then never try at all. :)
 
i can see the WPA's points in the letter, and i understand them.

BUT

why would a tour that is going to be paying out a MINIMUM first place prize in future events NEXT YEAR 200,000, want to be under the ruling of an organization that has taken almost 20 YEARS to pay the WORLD CHAMPION 75,000???

VAP
 
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