Several reasons why not to support the IPT

[rackmsuckr]

"It is a US based organization, but look at the roster of players - it truly is international. The players I do not believe are too afraid of the ban. "

"I was only referring to a prior post that if there was a ban, that might be why Ortman, etc. did not join."

My point is this - let's take the BS out of Billiard Sports (illiard ports?).Why dont you start the ball rolling and stop spreading false rumours and inuendo!

G

OK, this is ridiculous. I know there is no ban. What I was referring to was the possibility of the ban mentioned on prior posts. What I should have said was "The players I do not believe are too afraid of A ban. Sorry for the loose semantics and for "spreading false rumours and inuendo". THE ban I was referring to was from prior posts:

From Al-fahl Amir
I talked to Niels over the weekend at the Turning Stone Casino and this letter did go out to all the players. He told me he doesn't think he will play on the IPT because he could be banned from playing any WPA event for 2 to 5 years.

From Pro9dg - Ian hints at disciplinary action against those who break ranks. But what is the official position? The European players will be threatened by the EPBF and at first they may be reluctant to go. But faced with a season on the Euro Tour with an estimated Prize Fund of 600,000 Euros, they would be casting their eyes over the water where the spoils are tenfold that amount. It doesn’t need Einstein to work out what will happen in the long run.

From Travis Bickle - I think it's comic how these world sanctioning bodies are lining up to issue threats.

Again from Pro9dg - The ban that doesn't look like coming. All the IPA players listed above are on the roster for the WPA World 8 Ball Championship early next month. So are Efren, Busta and Manalo and it would take a big leap into the dark for the WPA to start handing out bans.

From Colin Colenso - I also heard the European federation sent out a threat to players so this might explan why more Europeans didn't apply. Also, I suspect many of them knew little about it.

I knew that by not quoting each one of my source posts, somebody would find something wrong and I guess you are it.

 

[JAM]

Let me get this straight......A guy with big bucks and a shady past wants to put up millions of dollars to help professional pool. He may be shady. But his money is clean, as best I can tell. He might be selling snake oil but remember, someone, in fact, millions, are buying it.

Then, a group of pool players who are broke and whose past is likely to be as bad or worse than his, accuse him of being shady. ???

I kind of don't want to jump in the fray here, but the majority of opinions expressed about Kevin Trudeau, at least on this forum, may, in fact, come from all walks of life, not only pool players per se.

I submit that the success or failure of the IPT will have little to do with the man who donated the money, or where the money came from. It will have everything to do with what the players do with this opportunity and how much they respect the money's availability. After all, I've yet to meet a pool player that has any respect for money. Easy come, easy go.

Your forum name gives me a chuckle. I always liked that word!

It's a little stereotypical to lump all "pool players" in a category pertaining to respect for money, as I believe different players may possibly vary in their appreciation for it. Today, there's a tournament trail for pool players who desire to go that route, but in order to do so, it is expensive and often not economically feasible for some.

On "easy come, easy go," I agree with you, Nit. In order to keep up with today's tournament trail, the money goes out as quick as you earn it. The expenses far outweigh the income potential over the long term.

I had to scroll up on my miniature monitor to see what the name of this thread was again.

I can't think of any reasons to not support the IPT. The speculation and assumptions are nothing more than fluff at this stage.

JAM

 

[Gabber]

rackmsuckr said,
"OK, this is ridiculous. I know there is no ban." Thank you, thats all I wanted. It only took you 3 posts to admit it!

When you read all the posts you quoted ,it sounds like the text from one of KT's infomercials!

What has KT got to lose from working with the WPA?
Have you thought about that?
For a measly $150,000 ,[ for a billionare, thats chump change!] he could be sanctioned and hailed by all to be truly the kind of sponser that pro pool has been waiting for.
Plus the fact that he would be donating DIRECTLY to pool orginizations all around the world!
He would get great publicity through the WPA contacts[ 100,s of countries around the world] etc, etc. not to mention the credibility.
He would be on the cover of S.I as the man who was going to bring pool to the masses and elevate the game to the status that it truly deserved!
He would have the CREDIBILITY, that he so sorely lacks, by having the backing of every pool orginization in the entire world [ almost].
All this for pocket change.

The question that hasnt been answered is why didnt he do it....????????????????????????????

Makes you wonder.

G........BTW, KT doesnt have a pool tourny without players. He does not hold all the cards. IMO, KT needs pool more than pool needs KT.
No more gossiping please.

 

[9_Ball_King]

Paralysis by over-analysis!!! Shame!!!

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"

IMO the IPT is the greatest thing to EVER happen to pool. Unless of course KT really is the anti-christ like all the naysayers seem to be insinuating.

What is all this bull**** about sanctioning, etc. ? Who cares? Say this with me: "There will finally be MONEY in pool, There will finally be MONEY in pool, There will finally be Money in pool, There will finally be MONEY in pool.........and there NEVER has been in the past............IPT GOOD........NAYSAYERS BAD (or need to get a life). Go Steelers!!

 

[Str8PoolMan]

I think it's comic how these world sanctioning bodies are lining up to issue threats. What are they without the players? And what have they got to offer but a sub-living wage through their tournaments? Kings of nothing. Don't know how exactly to handicap the IPT's chances, but like Fast Eddie said when he knuckled under to Bert: Better 25% of something than 100% of nothing.

Yeah, how did that work out?

 

[Str8PoolMan]

See my answers to your comments above.

"Kevin also does not sell any vitamin/mineral/supplement products". Ever heard of Coral Calcium?

He does not sell coral calcium, but advocates the use of it.

The reason he does not sell coral calcium is because he can no longer do so legally. As part of a settlement with the FTC, he was barred from selling any health related products, drugs or aids. The only reason he can sell his "Natural Cures" book is because books are protected under the 1st Amendment (that pesky free speech thing, again). He was indicted by the FTC for selling Coral Calcium and touting it as a cure for cancer, which scientific studies have shown it is not. Nor has it shown to have any health benefits as a treatment for, or preventative of, cancer or any other ailment.

But I am sure Kevin will tell you that it is all part of the big conspiracy against him.

 

[lamar25]

Hey Guys,
I believe the IPT is a scam, only a very few players invited to this event are competive in today's world.

If M.S. does not win , we will see a revised format that keeps M.S.
in the IPT format.

Sorry Guys,
Lamar

 

[Snapshot9]

Isn't it funny ...

The reason he does not sell coral calcium is because he can no longer do so legally. As part of a settlement with the FTC, he was barred from selling any health related products, drugs or aids. The only reason he can sell his "Natural Cures" book is because books are protected under the 1st Amendment (that pesky free speech thing, again). He was indicted by the FTC for selling Coral Calcium and touting it as a cure for cancer, which scientific studies have shown it is not. Nor has it shown to have any health benefits as a treatment for, or preventative of, cancer or any other ailment.

But I am sure Kevin will tell you that it is all part of the big conspiracy against him.

Well, I don't believe everything I hear or see, even from doctors
or scientists ... do you? Isn't it funny that conscience when broken
down is con ... science meaning against science, maybe that's where
faith comes from ... Scientists waste billions of dollars going to Mars
for what? Just to find out man can not exist there .... duh! Shall I
even mention the millions of dollars spent on Federal grants for the
studies of things that are the stupidest things in the world, and even
a 2nd grader would know better.

 

[chefjeff]

The reason he does not sell coral calcium is because he can no longer do so legally. As part of a settlement with the FTC, he was barred from selling any health related products, drugs or aids. The only reason he can sell his "Natural Cures" book is because books are protected under the 1st Amendment (that pesky free speech thing, again). He was indicted by the FTC for selling Coral Calcium and touting it as a cure for cancer, which scientific studies have shown it is not. Nor has it shown to have any health benefits as a treatment for, or preventative of, cancer or any other ailment.

But I am sure Kevin will tell you that it is all part of the big conspiracy against him.

I used to watch those infomercials and I'm not sure he used the word, "cure." If he did, I've never seen any studies showing a "cure." I do know Coral Calcium contains a lot more than calcium and this can be bad, too, if any mercury, for example, was in it. I didn't trust the manufacturing of it, not so much the calcium claims.

There are several studies that indicate calcium may prevent colon cancer, though. Click here for one.

Since each of us owns his/her own body (in theory, anyway) it behooves each of us to be responsible for it, not depend on govt. or KT to tell us what to do or not do with it. Govt has its reasons for pulling the wool over our eyes too, and KT has helped expose these frauds, which is good, imho.

Jeff Livingston

 

[Colin Colenso]

I used to watch those infomercials and I'm not sure he used the word, "cure." If he did, I've never seen any studies showing a "cure." I do know Coral Calcium contains a lot more than calcium and this can be bad, too, if any mercury, for example, was in it. I didn't trust the manufacturing of it, not so much the calcium claims.

There are several studies that indicate calcium may prevent colon cancer, though. Click here for one.

Since each of us owns his/her own body (in theory, anyway) it behooves each of us to be responsible for it, not depend on govt. or KT to tell us what to do or not do with it. Govt has its reasons for pulling the wool over our eyes too, and KT has helped expose these frauds, which is good, imho.

Jeff Livingston

KT may have done more that anyone to spotlight the problems of a government protected medical industry, with the popularity of his book and the coverage his infomercials gained.

For that alone he should be congratulated! Does he have all the answers? I doubt it, but surely he has directed many people on a quest of learning and self-responsibility, rather than trusting in the establisment.

Colin >~ nonantidisestablishmentarian

 

[onepocketchump]

Hey Guys,
I believe the IPT is a scam, only a very few players invited to this event are competive in today's world.

If M.S. does not win , we will see a revised format that keeps M.S.
in the IPT format.

Sorry Guys,
Lamar

Would you care to bet a 1000 on that statement?

John

 

[Gabber]

Omg

" KT may have done more that anyone to spotlight the problems of a government protected medical industry, with the popularity of his book and the coverage his infomercials gained."


Colin....................................................please....
........................................................................
........................................................................
..........dont.

G

 

[Colin Colenso]

" KT may have done more that anyone to spotlight the problems of a government protected medical industry, with the popularity of his book and the coverage his infomercials gained."


Colin....................................................please....
........................................................................
........................................................................
..........dont.

G

Gabba,
I came to these conclusion regarding the medical industry many years and much study before KT came along.

Perhaps before you next infer how obviously ignorant I am, you will peruse some of the articles linked to here:
http://www.google.com/u/Mises?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&newwindow=1&q=medical&btnG=Search

 

[Gabber]

Gabba,
I came to these conclusion regarding the medical industry many years and much study before KT came along.

Perhaps before you next infer how obviously ignorant I am, you will peruse some of the articles linked to here:
http://www.google.com/u/Mises?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&newwindow=1&q=medical&btnG=Search

I am in no way challenging your integrity Colin.
Read on. Make your own mind up.

Todd of Kingsville, TX (10/4/05):
I am a Registered Nurse and I have had patents quit their medication because of this book. I purchased the book to see if there was any scientific data to support Kevin Trudeau's claims and I believe the book is a bunch of junk.

In addition, three months later I noticed I was being charged $9.95 per month from this company. I called the number on the bank statement and was informed I had to cancel "my subscription" which I never knew I had. What a rip-off!!

Claudia of Phoenix, AZ (8/28/05):
I bought this book following his infomercial over 4 weeks ago. First of all, I have not received the book or been contacted by anyone with the status on the order. Second, my credit card was charged $47.00 for the actual book plus s & h charges, and just a couple of days after I bought it I found it on sale at Costco for $16.00...what a rip off!

What makes me even more upset, is that I can't even find a phone number to contact them. Lesson to be learned here: As consumers we should be suspicious of any websites that do not list a contact phone number.

We will never understand why consumers think a phone number does them any good. Phone calls are not legal notification of anything -- a registered letter is what's called for, along with a little judgment. We;d say Rule #1 should be: Ignore infomercicals


consumer affairs

G

 

[Colin Colenso]

I am in no way challenging your integrity Colin.
Read on. Make your own mind up.

Todd of Kingsville, TX (10/4/05):
I am a Registered Nurse and I have had patents quit their medication because of this book. I purchased the book to see if there was any scientific data to support Kevin Trudeau's claims and I believe the book is a bunch of junk.

In addition, three months later I noticed I was being charged $9.95 per month from this company. I called the number on the bank statement and was informed I had to cancel "my subscription" which I never knew I had. What a rip-off!!

Claudia of Phoenix, AZ (8/28/05):
I bought this book following his infomercial over 4 weeks ago. First of all, I have not received the book or been contacted by anyone with the status on the order. Second, my credit card was charged $47.00 for the actual book plus s & h charges, and just a couple of days after I bought it I found it on sale at Costco for $16.00...what a rip off!

What makes me even more upset, is that I can't even find a phone number to contact them. Lesson to be learned here: As consumers we should be suspicious of any websites that do not list a contact phone number.

We will never understand why consumers think a phone number does them any good. Phone calls are not legal notification of anything -- a registered letter is what's called for, along with a little judgment. We;d say Rule #1 should be: Ignore infomercicals


consumer affairs

G

I've read similar posts on amazon. Along with many favorable reviews.

That doesn't mean all such comments should be ignored, but they are anecdotal, and as such, more opinions should be sought and evidences investigated.

 

[Purdman]

Would you care to bet a 1000 on that statement?

John

John, I will bet you $500 that two years from today there won't be an IPT owned by KT. October 26, 2005
Purdman

 

[BlackDragon]

...aren't they two different bodies/things. IPT is money for pros. Everyone else watches. WPA is for the everyman. If youre an excited everyman about the IPT because you'll win money, youre delusional. Dreams bigger than ability.
WPA is here to stay and has a cetain credibility. The IPT, to me, already looks like a scam from the beginning with its appointment of a world championship (Siegal/Jones). Scam from the start will be a scam at the finish.
It needs the pros though to make it happen. The pros need the money so that should be a happy marriage for some. Only the lucky elite though.

 

[Str8PoolMan]

I am in no way challenging your integrity Colin.
Read on. Make your own mind up.

Todd of Kingsville, TX (10/4/05):
I am a Registered Nurse and I have had patents quit their medication because of this book. I purchased the book to see if there was any scientific data to support Kevin Trudeau's claims and I believe the book is a bunch of junk.

In addition, three months later I noticed I was being charged $9.95 per month from this company. I called the number on the bank statement and was informed I had to cancel "my subscription" which I never knew I had. What a rip-off!!

Claudia of Phoenix, AZ (8/28/05):
I bought this book following his infomercial over 4 weeks ago. First of all, I have not received the book or been contacted by anyone with the status on the order. Second, my credit card was charged $47.00 for the actual book plus s & h charges, and just a couple of days after I bought it I found it on sale at Costco for $16.00...what a rip off!

What makes me even more upset, is that I can't even find a phone number to contact them. Lesson to be learned here: As consumers we should be suspicious of any websites that do not list a contact phone number.

We will never understand why consumers think a phone number does them any good. Phone calls are not legal notification of anything -- a registered letter is what's called for, along with a little judgment. We;d say Rule #1 should be: Ignore infomercicals


consumer affairs

G

I read the consumer affairs page and when I got to the bottom, what do I see? An ad for Kevin Trudeau's "Natural Cures" website. Oh, the irony!

 

[onepocketchump]

John, I will bet you $500 that two years from today there won't be an IPT owned by KT. October 26, 2005
Purdman

Don, I'll take the bet if we ammend it to simply that there won't be an IPT. If the IPT or a derivative thereof is still around on October 25th 2007 then I win $500 from you and if not then you win. KT is irrelevant here as we do not know exactly "who" owns it.

Do we have a bet?

John

 

[lewdo26]

Don, I'll take the bet if we ammend it to simply that there won't be an IPT. If the IPT or a derivative thereof is still around on October 25th 2007 then I win $500 from you and if not then you win. KT is irrelevant here as we do not know exactly "who" owns it.

Do we have a bet?

John

Well, by then the dollar might have collapsed from its super-speculative throne, fallen victim to oil or gold hyperinflation. Who knows? I wouldn't even bet there will be a Chase Manhattan bank by 2007... much less an IPT.

Still, I think the attempt to establish a tour like the IPT might be worth it while it lasts. It is the pool's only HOPE as far as I can see.