Shadow Method

I've watched most of that video and can't seem to find the part where he explains how he uses this system of yours. Can you pinpoint the time frame in the video?
 
Either that's a jab or you didn't watch the video. It's not my nor Shane's nor Joey greys method. I have no idea how Shane got it. Possibly discovered it as I and Joey did. I did plenty of testing and trials over the years with plenty of people that can attest to it. I never did an in depth write up because in general I have better thug s to do than give away freebies constantly. Knowing and doing something live with someone and sitting there just sharing something I was working on with a simple drawing and such caught enough flack I said screw me. And I stuck to teaching it in person. It's got similar attributes to Sam and cte but is nothing really like them In method.

So you got two choices. Know more than one really dam great player uses the same thing or act like I'll trying to hijack Shane thunder lol.

I was stumbling around and saw that old video and watched it and right after he shows the fella his break he mentions y he grounds the cue and how he aims. At the v as I call it though Joey calls it a y and it can be seen either way. Not one of us ever talks really about looking at the cb really Ever....mostly because people think that's crackpot stuff lol.

When's the last time you aimed a bullet?

No need it's never happened In anyone's life. You aim a gun.

when you hear shane say....... "I have no idea where I'm aiming from right here. I have no idea. I'm lost. Pretty much. I'm pretty much lost." then starts laughing....its right after he's talking about that break.


thats him talking about using the "wrong" side of the shaft to line up to said point....you will use center shaft, left and right shaft...

i never said i INVENTED THIS SYSTEM....i came up with it on my own as i known others possibly have....cant remember if he ever goes into how he learned it.....sure as fuk dont mean that he stole it or borrowed or anything.....but its only Shanes method in reference to HE USES IT.

so anyone interested there ya go....shane does it. call it chicken noodle poodle for all i give a hoot and say ip man invented the shit. I never said i invented anything to begin with....

nor have i ever sold myself here in regards to my method.....i teach here free....theres no book, cd. bla bla bla to purchase from me. Fuk it buy shanes lol.

if i were to try and toot it like how you asked your question even if Shane would have gotten it from myself theoretically.....doesn't matter one bit because i just got lucky and saw the chit late one night because i'm a great seeer of things......its a hundred years old. end of story. just no one knows this.....because its not on the net. You know where all the truth is located lol

if im mistaken in how you meant your question please forgive my rant as i've been called a broad variety of colorful names over the years when trying to explain it to people even privately on here and at local pool halls. SO i'm a little cynical.....posted that vid of shane just to prove to myslef that unlike what some fools say....i'm not crazy and it wasn't influenced by lsd......if they were i'd have learned to do it from a cupcake or something lol

Best wishes,
Grey ghost


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Alrighty then...you really make me work way too hard to try and follow what you're talking about half the time. I think everyone just nods their head in approval when you post but I'm not so sure they have any idea what they are nodding at. Or maybe it's just me.

I thought this video pointed out how Shane used some stick aiming method not some shadow deal. OR maybe I'm thinking of one of his TAR interviews. At any rate, I don't see how he's talking about the same shadow method you described. Maybe I need to give it another look.
 
greyghost said:
brought this over from the main forum...thread i started 6 years ago.

resume discussion here i'd say as the main will get wiped back to the end of the earth lol.

theres a great video i link to of shane expalining the method perfectly.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=201526

enjoy,
Greyghost
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Hey GreyGhost, thank you for sharing!

I understand what shadow you're using, I have just two questions:

-in the linked thread you talked about using the center and edges of your shaft to aim at that shadow point, and using center CB/CP/edge to that shadow, how do you aim now - with your shaft or CB points?

-if you aim with your shaft how low do you go, all the way down chin-touching-cue or..?

Tnx in advance!

Mirza
 
BasementDweller said:
Alrighty then...you really make me work way too hard to try and follow what you're talking about half the time. I think everyone just nods their head in approval when you post but I'm not so sure they have any idea what they are nodding at. Or maybe it's just me.

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Frankly, I love this guy and reading his posts. I get a smile on my face each time I read something of his. On top of that, he really knows his sh!t!! Not from some goofball science drawings or explanations but from down home dig it outta the dirt
experiences on the pool table. He's kinda like a throwback to the encyclopedia pool knowledge of Grady Matthews only with more of a Cajun charm and twang.
 
He does seem like a good dude and a knowledgeable one at that but maybe every once in a while he could throw us a bone and just answer the question.

Different strokes for different folks. Getting ready to rewatch this video.
 
Mirza said:
Hey GreyGhost, thank you for sharing!

I understand what shadow you're using, I have just two questions:

-in the linked thread you talked about using the center and edges of your shaft to aim at that shadow point, and using center CB/CP/edge to that shadow, how do you aim now - with your shaft or CB points?

-if you aim with your shaft how low do you go, all the way down chin-touching-cue or..?

Tnx in advance!

Mirza
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thats a good question. a very good question. I only use the shaft. I've only used the shaft to aim as I was a SAM player since 2004.....i was contact to contact before that. Never used ghost ball even as a child. Like many i was given the finger when asked how to aim.......meaning a person pointed to the contact point on the CB and OB and said you aim this at this.....OK :)

in general i've always been a low stance player, i move from within chin to cue and a few inches above......this depends on the shot because on a open break in 9 or 8 ball i dont' stand with myhead as low.....but the breaks not S.O.P. as the pbia/spf instructors call it.

When looking through the shaft it becomes the CB........the sides of the shaft are the CB.....so upon realizing that i was adding a step in a way having the shaft do work but still paying attention to two contact points........

was having sighting issues real late like i mentioned....but hell you pull 24 hr shifts on shutins see how ya feel lol.....

and some how looking through that and rubbing my eyes like a young tired child.....i "saw" it.....and had a WTF moment....a really big one.

I could care less about the cueball....just as shane mentions. Its in my field of view but i dont really look at it, its out of focus.

over the years incorporating small items like chin lock have helped me greatly on average.....very small things.

i may be knowledgeable and i love my mind lol, but i'm by no means this perfect body for being a cueist.....its amazing to me how im well known for being able to hit some pretty outlandish cuts with no big deals or hassle....just make em in passing and big YAWN.....if i walked around with a camera filming my hands, i may be the shakiest steady hand there is lmfao.

people that think i teach and say things to pump myself up, make me sad. I am definately a self taught player, but i would be a liar if i said that there was not some really amazing people out there that gave me some of my most important pieces in the game and life itself. Everyone deserves to know in general, but work makes deserving.

I use the shaft. I dont pivot or swing. If i need to do that im on a bad alignment and just reset as i either wobbled going down or was just being lazy walking it in.
 
BasementDweller said:
He does seem like a good dude and a knowledgeable one at that but maybe every once in a while he could throw us a bone and just answer the question.

Different strokes for different folks. Getting ready to rewatch this video.
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like many things in life.....things get ruined by assholes sometimes, i guess i cant blame haters.....nope i sure can say F it when even the slightest of shit hits the fan.....

such as i do not condone, nor blame Neil for deleting many posts....i found it should have been a wake up call for many others.....

i know some are here for profit.....a man should be able to make money. But some.....no many of us have been on here for years with no such inkling of trying to milk this place, only giving......

it takes one shit comment for someone like myself to think screw it im going fishing....and not come back for 3-4 years.....

then along came a spider and others......

thanks for helping make my glass of wada half full again ;)

i'll do the coffee straw pics as soon as i can get to a table today....if it doesn't have coffee, its not a pool hall imop lol. I usually teach it for past few years in person and use a coffee straw bh the ball so a player can see the little objective spot.

dont get me wrong it doesn't really work for pieces of a pocket....but theres enough other things under that ball and such that you just adjust....just as shane says. Its really the first time i've ever listened to the man, obviously a little hard to understand but i understood him clearly.

when the guys were confused in the video, and he says that line i quoted about "i have no idea i'm lost....just lost" and laughs......i lost my shit giggling because i've done the same thing showing others.....
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Frankly, I love this guy and reading his posts. I get a smile on my face each time I read something of his. On top of that, he really knows his sh!t!! Not from some goofball science drawings or explanations but from down home dig it outta the dirt
experiences on the pool table. He's kinda like a throwback to the encyclopedia pool knowledge of Grady Matthews only with more of a Cajun charm and twang.
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i think this is my favorite compliment i have ever received and a big trophy doesn't shine as much......dont care about what others think but I hold Grady in extremely high regard, miss randi too. Were really good people.

thank you kindly sir. Roddy piper and I will deliver you from your opressors;)

regards,
Greyghost
 

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i also want to remind some that forget or those that never understood....this place and the others many of us came from in various great migrations over many years.....that this is an encyclopedia.

I love books. My home proves it lol....when i pulled all my things out of storage and set back up in louisiana...my vehicle was loaded tothe brim with them and i was tired, went to sleep. WOke up next day. Opened door.

Swear i could smell the library in Ghost Busters lol. Great moment in life....oh the simple things.

with that....its takes alot of hard work on my time. I graciously share it often. But dont get it twisted that someone like myself owes another some information based sheerly that they were asked nicely.

Many things in life i only learned because I showed up...and proved worthy of such knowledge. I do my best to do the same.....and to share it with others deserving....the jews call this mitzfa....i may be spelling that wrong but whats new.:p

many tanks from me to all the other gracious members of this site.

and that list is very large....sometimes we all see are trees instead of forest tho. I think to err is human....some old dude said that long ago, tho i'm not sure if he was telling the truth because he lied about cleopatra playing billiards:thumbup:

-Greyghost
 
greyghost said:
like many things in life.....things get ruined by assholes sometimes, i guess i cant blame haters.....nope i sure can say F it when even the slightest of shit hits the fan.....
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Not sure if that's aimed at me or not, since once again I'm not smart enough to follow what you're saying but if so -- it's not fair. You supposedly started this thread to continue the discussion about the shadow method you described but it looks like you didn't really want to do that.

I do actually enjoy reading some of your posts but I guess for now on I will just view them as blog entries instead of conversation pieces.

Later
 
Great posts from the Ghost. Once again demonstrating that everything is not black and white. Sometimes gray. :)

Maybe one way to see this is to stick some white reinforcement stickers on your table, these will now be QB locations. (do not use the actual QB for this demo)

Place some OB's around the table, anywhere is fine.

Address your shots as you normally do, lining up behind the imaginary QB (sticky). Get down into the shooting position, line the shot up to make it. Line the center of the sticky and center of your cue up with where you see your cue tip is making the OB.

In real life for this style the QB is transparent and you are aiming directly at the OB thru the QB with either the center of the cue, right or left sides of the shaft. Like the QB is not there.

Always use the center vertical line on the QB to line up on the OB hit point. Once this is done then you can choose the spin you want. Keeping the left or right sides of the shaft on or just off the QB vertical line.

Staying within the mass of the QB (about the size of a quarter) will offer the best feeling and allow for better QB control.

The feel part. Yeah your grip hand is going to feel the impact of the cue hitting the QB. What you may want to strive for is to feel your grip hand strike the OB. If your grip is too tight you won't feel it. Keep experimenting with different grip pressures until you find the one that allows you to feel the OB with your grip hand.

Gotta go.

John
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
Frankly, I love this guy and reading his posts. I get a smile on my face each time I read something of his. On top of that, he really knows his sh!t!! Not from some goofball science drawings or explanations but from down home dig it outta the dirt
experiences on the pool table. He's kinda like a throwback to the encyclopedia pool knowledge of Grady Matthews only with more of a Cajun charm and twang.
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Well- Could just say Amen but that wouldn t be fair 😎 Keebie is a Class-act- very knowledged this "litte Big Man"
I know keebie now for almost 7 years and i Love to discuss with him because he s no naysayer as well he s no Yes-sayer. nev3r gets boring with him🤓

As Sohn as we start to skype.......we better have finish our home/House work before........bc it will take Hours .....lol!

Ttys bro- keep posting your "shit' 😄😄😄


Ingo
 
BasementDweller said:
Not sure if that's aimed at me or not, since once again I'm not smart enough to follow what you're saying but if so -- it's not fair. You supposedly started this thread to continue the discussion about the shadow method you described but it looks like you didn't really want to do that.

I do actually enjoy reading some of your posts but I guess for now on I will just view them as blog entries instead of conversation pieces.

Later
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no any rant i made wasn't directed at you....i made the rant basically as a warning, because here sometimes you never know exactly which side a persons asking a qestion from....

the bad thing about alot of things such as this is the translation to paper.....i'm so f'n long winded....and when i type it shows...i don't debate that i could possibly be a decent writer but I'd totally need self editing many times or pay someone lol.

My words are my worst addiction....i talk alot and thats an understatement lol.

Its so hard and over the years i've done it so much that my useage of metaphors has infected pretty much my standard way of talking......brutal lol.

ever try to explain the same thing to 20k people so they all get it? i can not understate the massive difficulty of doing technical writing in relation to the sport we love. Especially when developing your own methods for others to understand.

I dont live on here. Really the only reason i've been back on the past 6 months is because the oil field is shot to shit.....my loss yalls gain....better than idle hands i guess at a minimum.

So yea i think more like conversation, but your sorta right i'm kinda like a blogger as i have always come and gone even when i was here everyday. My writings arent' solely dedicated to just skills and methodology in pool. Knowing such my time gets spread thin like butter in general, i do my best to keep my entire world spinning in a chaotic yet beautiful mess.....such is life when you love life and all the wonderful things in it.

to call me a pool player, instructor, cue maker or oil man would be a piss poor description of grand master keeb....as my offshore buddies call me.

king of the field,hand among hands.....just waiting on it to reopen so I can be served and do some serving myself lol.

try my best for another raw uncut and live with the greyghost.

one love,
G.G.
Greyghost
 
One Pocket John said:
Great posts from the Ghost. Once again demonstrating that everything is not black and white. Sometimes gray. :)

Maybe one way to see this is to stick some white reinforcement stickers on your table, these will now be QB locations. (do not use the actual QB for this demo)great idea

Place some OB's around the table, anywhere is fine.

Address your shots as you normally do, lining up behind the imaginary QB (sticky). Get down into the shooting position, line the shot up to make it. Line the center of the sticky and center of your cue up with where you see your cue tip is making the OB.

In real life for this style the QB is transparent and you are aiming directly at the OB thru the QB with either the center of the cue, right or left sides of the shaft. Like the QB is not there. exactly good sir:grin:

Always use the center vertical line on the QB to line up on the OB hit point. Once this is done then you can choose the spin you want. Keeping the left or right sides of the shaft on or just off the QB vertical line.YES.....basically, but remember at least for myself i am a "paraller" but i know there are diff breeds of us, personally my "bullseye" as i refer to where my eyes are and where my cue stick lines up at CENTER of the place it is in my hand. That is where i place my hand and am lined up through from feet back before walking in. There's no pivot. In some ways it is i guess going to have some ROTE to it because there are niche' shots where speed is a definate and obvious factor....shane actually shows one in the video. That slow draw dragger he hangs in the bottom left corner and kills the rock....with a complete stroke....the other guy gets up there and is hitting it like a gorilla for such a soft shot....no offense to the guy, but in no way can it be hit that hard, unless your basically masse on the cueball....and good luck with that if you are lol. what you say about the on or just off the OB center line is a decent explanation at least. because remember i'm always talking about NOT THE BALL lol...shane does too....and gets a little aggravated barely seems like when the guys keep talking about the f'n ball...and he's like NO the shadow this spot right there....but i'm just crazy visual and artistic....and really good eyes, its crazy clear as day lol. but it doesn't take special baby blues or any of that gumbo i guarontee lol

Staying within the mass of the QB (about the size of a quarter) will offer the best feeling and allow for better QB control. preaching to the choir:cool: yes sir.....mines smaller than that....and generally speaking i put the CB in tight spots....i aim very small maybe this comes from shooting that fine little rifle my father got me as a child......

The feel part. Yeah your grip hand is going to feel the impact of the cue hitting the QB. What you may want to strive for is to feel your grip hand strike the OB. If your grip is too tight you won't feel it. Keep experimenting with different grip pressures until you find the one that allows you to feel the OB with your grip hand. get outa my head old man lmao....

Gotta go.

John
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generally speaking john makes very good points here. i just edited this again because i had a light bulb that may or may not mean anything....no i dont pivot.....the cue shaft is in lines with the sides of the CB when i'm standing many feet back......i shift then with the sides of the shaft so its still in relation to CB edges.....and shaft to same side.....thats how i parallel...from 6ft back. so i guess by at least some kind of definition one could consider that movement while SIGHING in alignment from far away is a type of pivot.....tho a obviously VERY differient kind than what i have ever heard of known as such.

but RIGHT ON BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!! tripple taps on that post while i'm waiting for the dog gone "pool hall" to open here lol
 
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right now im regretting returning the dam gopro as i coulda strapped it to my forhead and done the video POV......and looked extra crazy for the locals....

but in general i dont regret it the only thing thats better on it is being able to go hands free like that and film POV style.....

or strap that turd to the joint of the cue.......hummmmmmm

that would be some goodness right there.

sould i duck tape a mini cam to a housecue......?

ive done stranger things lmfao

fact is...im not crazy. i have no papers. certifiably a strange duck tho :thumbup:

quack quack,
Greyghost
 
shot a HD vid that uploading now....taught one of my students this in about 10 min....just before filming....never spoke to him about aim before.

worked his stroke nicely with my assistance from nearly day one....slowly but surely will become a solid player in the least....pretty stroke for a pup if you ask me.

glad i had a willing test subject handy....will share link when its finished loading...till then

hurry up and wait lol
 
greyghost said:
generally speaking john makes very good points here. i just edited this again because i had a light bulb that may or may not mean anything....no i dont pivot.....the cue shaft is in lines with the sides of the CB when i'm standing many feet back......i shift then with the sides of the shaft so its still in relation to CB edges.....and shaft to same side.....thats how i parallel...from 6ft back. so i guess by at least some kind of definition one could consider that movement while SIGHING in alignment from far away is a type of pivot.....tho a obviously VERY differient kind than what i have ever heard of known as such.

but RIGHT ON BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!! tripple taps on that post while i'm waiting for the dog gone "pool hall" to open here lol
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Ya got me there. I should have said apply side spin parallel to the QB center vertical line. I parallel shift while in the standing position from about 2 to 3 feet away from the table, walk in and drop straight down on the shot line with the cue. No pivoting.

This all may sound difficult but its not. I've done it a zillion times so I really don't ever think about it any more. My sub-conscious does all the work, I'm just the messenger.

Thanks

John
 
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