Shaft question!!!

1. Tad
2. BlackBoar
3. Barry Szamboti
4. I've heard a lot about Sugartree shafts (never played one), bought 2 matched Grade A+ (diamond) dowels (34 & 35 gr.) from Eric & Wes, am having a cue made by Darrin Hill using them, but it's Darrin's tapers, not Eric Crisp's, so we'll see. My favorite shaft right now on my daily shooter is an old, old Scruggs. :p
 
With all due respect...

Superb shaftwood actually has little to no "inner tension." The specialty log buyer looks for logs that are relatively tension free. The vast majority of these shafts don't move at all when turned. As an experiment, I have cut several from square to final taper in one setting. I'm absolutely amazed that they stayed straight, months after originally cut. There is no doubt that turning shafts over a period of time is the safest and best way to go--but I'm sure you get my point here.

Also when shaftwood is turned for cutting it is only spinning at maybe 250-300 rpm, so centifulgal force and moisture is a non-factor. (Its about 6% anyway). Superb shaftwood is more a function of the knowledge of the skilled log buyer and processor. It is 99% as good as it is gonna be out of the kiln. Aging the wood ain't gonna do squat. Although vacuum kiln dried wood can produce perfectly good shafts, I have found that conventionally dried shaftwood yields a higher percentage of shafts that weigh in the 3.9oz+ range without inserts. The conventional kiln dired shaftwood I have is 95% as white as the vacuum kiln dried shaftwood that I have. Most people, cuemakers included, would have a difficult time telling the difference by sight alone.

Remember, the very best shaftwood blank is only potentially a great shaft. The taper, ferrule, and tip matter a lot. What might feel great to one player might not work for another.

While I'm at it, although high growth rings in a shaft or dowel is an excellent selling point, there is no direct relationship between high "tight" ring counts and superb shafts. Sorry. Although I do prefer at least 9 growth rings per inch, straightness of grain and tonality are grading factors of a much higher importance. Talk to several top 10 cuemakers about this if you don't believe me. To dispel another myth...supreme shaft maple for pool cues is available today if one knows where to look and will pay market prices...the idea that the "best" maple was only available years ago is complete fib.

Martin

SphinxnihpS said:
Simply spinning the wood on a lathe throws off the water balance in the wood via centrifugal force, plus every time you cut a piece wood you are in essence monkeying with the internal tension of it, which can (and usually does), cause it to bend one way or another, so the best way to cut shafts is to do it intermittantly, allowing the wood to "rest" several months or even years in between turnings, which also allows you to eliminate any shaft blanks that warp too much as they sit. Most good cue makers will have many shaft blanks at all stages of completion, so when you order a custom cue, you don't have to wait two years.

Also, most players prefer snow white Canadian hard rock maple for shafts for obvious asthetic reasons, but people in the know understand that better shaftwood is more often than not older yellower rock maple with high density (growth rings per inch), rather than the genetically modified trees re-grown, which are enhanced to grow fatser. Typically the former type of wood has many color "blemishes" and darker streaks, but it does feel better.

Purpleheart (Amaranth), also makes good hitting shaft wood, but it is a decidedly different look.

As far as tapers go, not may people are going to argue against DPK designing the best taper judging by how in demand those torturously ugly Southwest cues are, and how many makers have copied it to the 10,000th of an inch. You will never get David to make you any though, but many other makers use the same design.

Laminated shafts, such as the Predator and OB-1, are utter garbage IMO. My garden rake has more harmonic feedback. Plywood is for roof decking.
 
I don't want to burst your bubble, but there is no direct relationship.

Martin


gmcole said:
Not to Hijack this thread but... my wheels are turning. Does anyone have a guess how much more a 30 growth ring per inch shaft will weigh than , say a 15 growth ring per inch shaft?
thanks-jeff
 
Off Topic

Panhandle that Cochran is mesmerizing SICK CUE!

Congrats if it is to be sold please holler!

I'm 2.5 hrs from the mouth of the Aucilla River!



Niner
 
egon said:
Who makes the nicest shafts in US????
Or who is the number one shaft builder in us???

Best shafts hands down IMO are Szamboti, Tascarella, Searing, and Crisp (Sugartree).
 
cueaddicts said:
Best shafts hands down IMO are Szamboti, Tascarella, Searing, and Crisp (Sugartree).
That's a strong list. It would be hard to go wrong with any of these. I think Pete might belong at the top, IMHO.
-jeff
 
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looks like most people here like a pro tapered shaft.Szamboti,Tad,Sugartree,Tascarella,etc.not sure what Searing's is,and Sugartree gets so fat so quick it plays stiffer than most pro tpers,but i am surprised there are not more people who like SW,Kers,Alex Brick,etc or the stiffer more parabolic type tapers.what aboout Bluegrass.i bought a high end Bluegrass once,and the shafts were so smooth it was like someone habd hand sanded them for days.it turns out that is waht he does.those are some nice feeling shafts right out of the box.just surprised to see so many here like the pro taper.
 
The newer (12-years old or less) Josswest shafts are the best in my opinion, with Ernie Martinez a close second, along with Chris Byrne who does a great job
 
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i know everyone is entitled to his opinion, and i respect that for sure. but the laminated shafts are used and loved by a lot of the top pros. they definitely hit the ball different. i think you would find that a high percentage of the pros that endorse a particular type of cue and get paid for it, use the butt of that cue with a predator type of shaft. i have two laminated shafts and they have stayed perfectly straight for me. pefectly! and they definitely hit the ball very, very well. a lot of cumakers will make you a nice shaft from a laminated blank. that's all i got except for brain damage! ;)
 
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