Shaft weight

Not a cuemaker but:


Example-

These example shafts I will specify are over 35 years old with high growth ring count:

The two 31 inch shafts for my Huebler are 4.2 oz, and they are 11.8mm and 12mm tips. And these are genuine original Hueblers so they have nylon inserts, not brass!

(I have heavy, over 4 oz, 29 inch shafts but I just grabbed these as examples, but nothing I have touches 4.8 oz)


So maybe....
A 31 or 32 inch shaft at 13mm+ with a brass insert might make 4.8


Oh...and I love these shafts on the 29 inch Huebler butt. I have the 29 for it as well at a full 13mm.


I am actually looking at a 32 inch shaft for one of my other cues. Don't know the weight but it is 13mm.



Anyway....an old growth dense shaft over the standard 29 inch length with a 13+mm tip and a brass insert might make it.


But I agree. When I saw that post I stopped in my tracks. :D

This begs the question....what is the heaviest (maple) shaft you have seen or made and what were it's dimensions? Brass or no brass insert?


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At one time I purchased a Schon shaft here on AZB. When I received it and weighed it, 4.62 ounces. Based on the guys avatar pic of a Schon, if it's a Schon shaft, it must have a European taper to the shaft.
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
At one time I purchased a Schon shaft here on AZB. When I received it and weighed it, 4.62 ounces. Based on the guys avatar pic of a Schon, if it's a Schon shaft, it must have a European taper to the shaft.
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I totally missed the taper aspect. A Billiard or European taper will add weight too, of course.

My Hueblers have the typical Huebler taper, a modification of what people refer to as a pro taper. Hard to explain the difference but if you are used to a typical pro taper and you try a Huebler the difference is immediately apparent. I hated it at first but quickly adjusted and love it now.


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Hits 'em Hard said:
At one time I purchased a Schon shaft here on AZB. When I received it and weighed it, 4.62 ounces. Based on the guys avatar pic of a Schon, if it's a Schon shaft, it must have a European taper to the shaft.
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I just finished up a custom break shaft, at the customers request he wanted a 14 mm
29.5 inches long conical taper .
I have made a couple of these break shafts. 4.2 - 4.3 oz .

Brass inserts in the shaft don't weight 3/4 of a ounce.
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
Solid maple
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I have one with a brass insert that weighs 4.6 oz. 12.8 mm tip and 29 1/16 long. It surprised me when I weighed it for a build. It was heavy enough that it also affected the balance point of the cue, so I made another shaft. To your original question, I suppose that 4.8 oz is possible, but I think the likelihood is that it was a typo. 3.8 oz shaft is very common in solid maple.

Alan
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
I just finished up a custom break shaft, at the customers request he wanted a 14 mm
29.5 inches long conical taper .
I have made a couple of these break shafts. 4.2 - 4.3 oz .

Brass inserts in the shaft don't weight 3/4 of a ounce.
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Well I don't care what your experience tells you. See how that sounds? It's what you just told me. I can go retrieve that shaft and show its weight as 4.6 ounces. My experience tells me you're wrong in your assumptions. And when someone says they have a 4.8 oz shaft, I find that very plausible. Until I have that shaft in my hands, I can only assume they're telling the truth. So if you want to play the role of 'negative Nancy' go ahead and do it elsewhere. You belittled the guy in that other thread because you've assumed you know more about his shaft than he does. Just drop it.
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
Have any of you guys ever produced a normal playing shaft that the weight turned out to be 4.8 OZ

I have been around a little bit but never seen a 4.8 oz shaft.

In this thread a member says he has a 4.8 oz shaft.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=5508226#post5508226
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Hi Mike
You already know shaft weights are all over the place. I have a couple at 5.2 at 13.6mm. I just leave them in the case. No desire to do anything with them. On shafts with brass inserts? Which inserts? The new one's 1 inch long which have become the standard. Or the old school inserts that were 1.5 inches long.
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
I just finished up a custom break shaft, at the customers request he wanted a 14 mm
29.5 inches long conical taper .
I have made a couple of these break shafts. 4.2 - 4.3 oz .

Brass inserts in the shaft don't weight 3/4 of a ounce.
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Then you must have some very light wood. Just finished a conical taper shaft that was 11.80mm, had an insert, weighed 4.7oz. Conical tapers have a lot of meat on them. The insert weighs about 8 grams.
 
bdcues said:
Then you must have some very light wood. Just finished a conical taper shaft that was 11.80mm, had an insert, weighed 4.7oz. Conical tapers have a lot of meat on them. The insert weighs about 8 grams.
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i have a break shaft at 152g , 71cm , 13mm at the tip, straight conical with schuler-kind joint (22mm at the collar) . for the record, this shaft was made from a blank "rejected" because of the very unusual density ...
 
So now that mortuarymike and Chopdoc have both been shown they're wrong, can you two be bothered to go apologize to that guy you called a liar?
 
Seeing as how this thread is about me, I think I'll chime in. The weight I have written down from when it was weighed is 4.77 oz. I rounded up for ease. I am not miss remembering. It was weighed at the post office. I do not have a scale that can be that precise so that was the option that I had. I will take it back to them for re measure and will also inquire about calibration and accuracy. I did not leave the jp on. It is nowhere near 3.8 oz. If the post office was padding their scales by an ounce there would be grounds for a criminal investigation. It is a Schön shaft brass insert Schön standard short taper. When I ordered it back in 98 I told them I wanted between 19.5 and 20 oz as far forward balanced as possible with a 12.5 mm tip. My guess would be they found the heaviest shaft they had and then adjusted the weight bolt to make up the difference, just a guess though. I used to mill lumber for a cabinet shop and have handled thousands upon thousands of board feet of rock maple. It can vary dramatically in weight from piece to piece. Has anyone ever had a weight discrepancy when having something weighed at the post office?
 
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Hits 'em Hard said:
So now that mortuarymike and Chopdoc have both been shown they're wrong, can you two be bothered to go apologize to that guy you called a liar?
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I was wrong, about what?

I never called anybody a liar.

I have been excited by the post regarding that shaft since my first response.

Here is my post in response to that shaft that was actually quoted at the start of this thread:
4.8 oz shaft? That's a helluva dense shaft wood! :thumbup:
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In fact I posted examples of how it would be plausible by noting shafts that I own. I was in fact, and still am, impressed with 4.8 ounces in a standard 29 inch pool tapered shaft. Now that I have been told it is even substantially less than 13mm I am even more impressed.

Perhaps you will apologize to me for the accusation?

Or perhaps you will try to find where I made an accusation of a lie?

Here is my next post on the matter:

What is the length and diameter of that 4.8 oz shaft? Is is maple? Is there a brass insert? How old is it? Who made it?

Sorry so many questions. But 4.8 oz? Wow!
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Do you see the enthusiasm?


Now, as far as Mike is concerned, this is what he said:

Hi
I am not good with words when I have to question someone on what they wrote.
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Mike can speak for himself but I do want to say something. Mike is a man of solid character and integrity. He admits he is not eloquent. That's all, nothing more. That he was impressed with the number is clear. And he explained why. He has made numerous shafts. That's all.

After that explanation of his experience he said this:

So if you were me wouldn't question someone that said they had a 4.8 shaft ?
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I was very interested to know the dimensions of the shaft. Apparently so was Mike.

I know I didn't even suggest or even imply a lie.

I just re-read Mike's posts and I don't see that he did either. Truly he was stunned by the weight and reacted as such. He begged more explanation.


Even those who posted experience with making or owning shafts so heavy seem to admit they are exceptional.

I certainly don't think it is commonplace. I am certainly curious.

Very often we chase old dense wood. When something like this comes along it then begs the question of how it plays since it is in an extreme as far as density. In other words, is there a limit to the density we should look for? One person already admitted having such extremely heavy shafts and that they stay in their case, implying they don't play them.


But I am not sure we will even get to that conversation with such accusations as yours.


Feel free to take up a conversation with Mike. He is a big boy and can take care of himself. I am not here to defend him. But I will say I don't see what you saw in his posts.


As for me, you are dead wrong. I wasn't wrong about anything at all, and I accused nobody of a lie. I'll stand very comfortably on those assertions.


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Lots of words to try and confuse other people into thinking you didn't say these things
Chopdoc said:
A 31 or 32 inch shaft at 13mm+ with a brass insert might make 4.8


But I agree. When I saw that post I stopped in my tracks. :D
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So I'll say this right now, when he said he had a 4.8 oz shaft, you didn't ask "Are you sure?" You stated the above. Now I don't know what type of cues you've dealt with before, but I routinely see 4.4oz shafts. Most Schon shafts themselves weigh more than 4oz. Now you can construct your replies as above so they're hard to follow your flow of thought, but. It still doesn't change the tone of your first post accusing him of being misleading. I.e. Lieing.

Basically you tried to justify your false accusations by making up other situations in which he could be correct.
 
I certainly do not need an apology. I'm certainly used to the internet by now. I took no offense to anything that has been posted on either thread.i will recheck the weight to be sure as 4.77 does seem pretty heavy.
 
They could have easily inserted a set screw under the brass insert to get that weight up.
 
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