Shame Shame on you Frankie Hernandez, The other side of the story.

[King B]

I feel that I have to answer the statement made by one ungrateful person, mainly Frankie Hernandez. Shame Shame on you Frankie Hernandez if you are going to tell stories at lease tell the truth.

Here are some parts of the story that Frankie Hernandez left out. I was out on the floor giving out the rules of the tournament when the draw was taking place. The draw was done by on of my helpers. After giving out the rules I started calling out the matches. I called out Frankies match and he say that was not who he was supposed to play the that player because he saw the draw. I asked my helper if he changed the draw he said yes, I asked him why he said he didn't want to see to pros playing in the first round. I said you can't do that and to change it back and he did all this took place before the tournament even started.
Frankie played his first match and won, then Frankie got into it with my helper, it got to the point where I had to break it up. I told Frankie to leave it alone the guy just made a mistake but Frankie just kept running his mouth to everyone in the room no one wanted listen to him. Then Frankie played his second match and won, at this point Frankie was still in the tournament. I went out side to get something from my car and Frankie was still running his mouth to a couple of players. I can hear the player telling Frankie to leave it alone, I stepped to Frankie and asked him if there was a problem and why is he telling people I set the draw especially when I fixed the situation. Frankie said I'm not talking about you, I was talking about you helper.
Now Frankie was running his mouth about my point system (I will talk about in a few) He was putting down the tour and the staff and I just couldn't take it any more so I told him he was done for the day and returned his entree fee and told him he was done for the day. His attitude and his threaten tone afterwards forced me to ban him from the tour and to call the police.
Frankie Hernandez says I robbed him from a spot to the skins game which is a $5000 entree to the event. The truth of the matter is Frankie Hernandez could not catch points leader Matt krah. Matt Krah is a great young player that has worked hard to get to were he is at. I know Matt as a player and that's about it, It's funny the things that Frankie is saying because Frankie is a person I use to call a friend we use to go out clubbing or out for a few drinks.
Frankie is crying about points Matt had the points wrapped up by stop number 10 as long as he didn't miss a stop. Frankie kept crying so I asked him what do you want me to do he said that for the rest of the season I should make double points for the top 6 places of the tournament. I said is that going to make you happy he said yes, I guess he prove me wrong. I could give Frankie 1st place points for the last three events and he still couldn't even catch Matt Krah.
Frankie also stated that I robbed him of the $10,000 added tour championship here are some of the players that qualified for that event that might have something to say about that, Eddie Abraham, Mike Miller, Danny Basavich, Mark Pantovic, Dennis Spears, Mike Davis Pat McNally, Josh Brothers, Shaun Wilkie, Al Lapena, Carmen Lombrdo, Ryan McCreesh, Brett Stottlemyer, Phil Sherman, Santos Sambajon, Eddie Vasquez, Kieth McCreedy, Bob Maidhof, Lee Holt, Matt Krah, Pete Fusco and many more thats not a sure win with that field.
I see that Frankie made a remark about the Big Apple Shame Shame on him he of all people know what happened I was the one that let it out that the owner took money from the players funds, So I guess Scott Smith stole money since he was the tournament director, let it go Frankie. I was so up set that I removed all my tour stops from that place. It's people like Frankie that start rumors that give this sport a black eye. Some people that say Frankie is a nice guy all I have to say to that is only if it's in his favor other than that he is a real ass.
I'll leave you with this I put in $16,000 of my own money towards the tour Championship what do I get out of it nothing I love the sport. Frankie made $6100 from my tour this year and all he had to do is keep his mouth shut and play the game, by the way 2nd place in points gets $2000 cash. I don't think Frankie would have made that much at the Skins Games. Frankie is a player that lacks the class of pro & world class players. Frankie Hernandez is no longer part of my tour, like I said at the beginning if your going to tell stories at lease tell the truth because it will set you free.

 

[BackPocket9Ball]

Jose,

I think that you run your tournaments in a very professional way, and that if you weren't doing it, no one in the area would take time out of their schedule to do so. It's your tour, and you should have the right to run it as you see fit. I hear people constantly complain about payouts and points and entry fees and draws, etc; but what people don't seem to realize is that no one is playing these local tours to make a living. They're playing them to compete and to have a good time. Anyone who consistently starts arguments with others in a regional tournament ruins it for everyone else.
Reza

 

[pete lafond]

Jose,

I think that you run your tournaments in a very professional way, and that if you weren't doing it, no one in the area would take time out of their schedule to do so. It's your tour, and you should have the right to run it as you see fit. I hear people constantly complain about payouts and points and entry fees and draws, etc; but what people don't seem to realize is that no one is playing these local tours to make a living. They're playing them to compete and to have a good time. Anyone who consistently starts arguments with others in a regional tournament ruins it for everyone else.
Reza

Well money is slim for the pros and every bit counts. Also, they are highly competitive which means they are intense. It is not uncommon for someone with this much focus to lose it when things are placed out of order causing an obstruction to mental preparation. I believe things like this happening are up to the tournament director to handle with care and quetly put it away.

 

[cueaddicts]

I feel that I have to answer the statement made by one ungrateful person, mainly Frankie Hernandez. Shame Shame on you Frankie Hernandez if you are going to tell stories at lease tell the truth.

Here are some parts of the story that Frankie Hernandez left out. I was out on the floor giving out the rules of the tournament when the draw was taking place. The draw was done by on of my helpers. After giving out the rules I started calling out the matches. I called out Frankies match and he say that was not who he was supposed to play the that player because he saw the draw. I asked my helper if he changed the draw he said yes, I asked him why he said he didn't want to see to pros playing in the first round. I said you can't do that and to change it back and he did all this took place before the tournament even started.
Frankie played his first match and won, then Frankie got into it with my helper, it got to the point where I had to break it up. I told Frankie to leave it alone the guy just made a mistake but Frankie just kept running his mouth to everyone in the room no one wanted listen to him. Then Frankie played his second match and won, at this point Frankie was still in the tournament. I went out side to get something from my car and Frankie was still running his mouth to a couple of players. I can hear the player telling Frankie to leave it alone, I stepped to Frankie and asked him if there was a problem and why is he telling people I set the draw especially when I fixed the situation. Frankie said I'm not talking about you, I was talking about you helper.
Now Frankie was running his mouth about my point system (I will talk about in a few) He was putting down the tour and the staff and I just couldn't take it any more so I told him he was done for the day and returned his entree fee and told him he was done for the day. His attitude and his threaten tone afterwards forced me to ban him from the tour and to call the police.
Frankie Hernandez says I robbed him from a spot to the skins game which is a $5000 entree to the event. The truth of the matter is Frankie Hernandez could not catch points leader Matt krah. Matt Krah is a great young player that has worked hard to get to were he is at. I know Matt as a player and that's about it, It's funny the things that Frankie is saying because Frankie is a person I use to call a friend we use to go out clubbing or out for a few drinks.
Frankie is crying about points Matt had the points wrapped up by stop number 10 as long as he didn't miss a stop. Frankie kept crying so I asked him what do you want me to do he said that for the rest of the season I should make double points for the top 6 places of the tournament. I said is that going to make you happy he said yes, I guess he prove me wrong. I could give Frankie 1st place points for the last three events and he still couldn't even catch Matt Krah.
Frankie also stated that I robbed him of the $10,000 added tour championship here are some of the players that qualified for that event that might have something to say about that, Eddie Abraham, Mike Miller, Danny Basavich, Mark Pantovic, Dennis Spears, Mike Davis Pat McNally, Josh Brothers, Shaun Wilkie, Al Lapena, Carmen Lombrdo, Ryan McCreesh, Brett Stottlemyer, Phil Sherman, Santos Sambajon, Eddie Vasquez, Kieth McCreedy, Bob Maidhof, Lee Holt, Matt Krah, Pete Fusco and many more thats not a sure win with that field.
I see that Frankie made a remark about the Big Apple Shame Shame on him he of all people know what happened I was the one that let it out that the owner took money from the players funds, So I guess Scott Smith stole money since he was the tournament director, let it go Frankie. I was so up set that I removed all my tour stops from that place. It's people like Frankie that start rumors that give this sport a black eye. Some people that say Frankie is a nice guy all I have to say to that is only if it's in his favor other than that he is a real ass.
I'll leave you with this I put in $16,000 of my own money towards the tour Championship what do I get out of it nothing I love the sport. Frankie made $6100 from my tour this year and all he had to do is keep his mouth shut and play the game, by the way 2nd place in points gets $2000 cash. I don't think Frankie would have made that much at the Skins Games. Frankie is a player that lacks the class of pro & world class players. Frankie Hernandez is no longer part of my tour, like I said at the beginning if your going to tell stories at lease tell the truth because it will set you free.

Uh......HELLO !!!! After reading the threads regarding this situation, is it not painfully obvious why men's professional pool is and will always be in the gutter ??? Way, way too many cry-babies, thugs, and con artists. (I truly wish it were not the case).

 

[Black-Balled]

I have seen Frankie as a very aggressive and caustic communicator, even to the point that I thought he was going to get booted out of another event. Why? That's the way he is, period. Pool, and the income derived form it, mean LOTS to him and I think it is hard to expect him to pretend it doesn't.
The Blaze Tour is a private tour and has the right to conduct itself as it sees fit. It was a horrible choice to doctor the draw and, once the error was discovered, it was corrected in a timely fashion. That seems appropriate to me.

 

[EL'nino]

Uh......HELLO !!!! After reading the threads regarding this situation, is it not painfully obvious why men's professional pool is and will always be in the gutter ??? Way, way too many cry-babies, thugs, and con artists. (I truly wish it were not the case).

Thanks to guys like Jose for having the balls to throw a trouble making (JACKASS) like Frankie out on his (LOUDMOUTH ASS). Frankie starts shit every where he goes and I'm sure everybody on the Blaze tour couldn't be happier to see him go. Maybe now mens pool can pull it's self out of the gutter. GOOD job Jose, you are the best thing to happen to mens pool in this area in a long time. Keep up the (GREAT) work

 

[Swordfish]

I called out Frankies match and he say that was not who he was supposed to play the that player because he saw the draw. I asked my helper if he changed the draw he said yes, I asked him why he said he didn't want to see to pros playing in the first round.

I have never met Frankie or Jose. But if Frankie had the opportunity to play a local instead of a pro (Mike Davis, I guess) because the draw was changed, I'm curious as to why Frankie would have said anything in the first place. Especially if he is as bad a person as everyone says. I think most people would have taken the easier match without bringing up the bracket changes.

s/f

 

[pete lafond]

I have never met Frankie or Jose. But if Frankie had the opportunity to play a local instead of a pro (Mike Davis, I guess) because the draw was changed, I'm curious as to why Frankie would have said anything in the first place. Especially if he is as bad a person as everyone says. I think most people would have taken the easier match without bringing up the bracket changes.

s/f

I'm not sure he's a bad person but he does seem to be a very competitive one. This is not the only sport this stuff happens in and I do not think it deserves to be blasted over the internet. Many posts here made some good points but the fact of the matter is these things do happen and it is best to resolve them quietly, with honest appologies and end it. If it were to continue following this, then ejection would be in place.

I do not think that an angry player, for good reason, should be meet with an equally angry director. Rather it should be meet with a director having good management skills.

I was not there and this topic should not be here, at least not at this magnitude.

 

[Nostroke]

You are resposible for your helper Jose- What kind of environment have you set where he would be comfortable changing the draw? Is he still your helper?

 

[Black-Balled]

You are resposible for your helper Jose- What kind of environment have you set where he would be comfortable changing the draw? Is he still your helper?

You do know that once Jose found out the draw was changed, he changed it back, yes? That seems like the right thing to do...

 

[Black-Balled]

I have never met Frankie or Jose. But if Frankie had the opportunity to play a local instead of a pro (Mike Davis, I guess) because the draw was changed, I'm curious as to why Frankie would have said anything in the first place.s/f

It seems that Frankie was OK with the bracket doctoring because it kept him from facing MikeD early on. Indications are, when the brackets were changed back, he didn't like it anymore.

 

[Swordfish]

It seems that Frankie was OK with the bracket doctoring because it kept him from facing MikeD early on. Indications are, when the brackets were changed back, he didn't like it anymore.

Oh. I see. I thought it was the other way around.

s/f

 

[Nostroke]

You do know that once Jose found out the draw was changed, he changed it back, yes? That seems like the right thing to do...

Once Frankie FOUND OUT the draw was changed, Jose changed it back. As i said how can you set an environment where a helper would change the draw? Had he not advised his helper how improtant integrity was? Im not even buying the helper story at all.

 

[Snapshot9]

Question ...

You are resposible for your helper Jose- What kind of environment have you set where he would be comfortable changing the draw? Is he still your helper?

I have the same questions as Nostroke. Was there a
pre-tournament meeting with all people helping to run
the tournament? Do's and don't's should have been
laid out in the meeting, especially for a tournament of
this size and importance. Why would a helper even
think he could change match-ups after a draw has
been done? Anyone that has been around tournaments
knows you can not do that. I get the impression that someone
was grabbed off the floor and told to help with the
tournament without much thought as to their qualifications
for doing so. Yes, Jose did the right thing, but it should
not have happened to begin with, and shows a lack of
preparation.

 

[Black-Balled]

Once Frankie FOUND OUT the draw was changed, Jose changed it back. As i said how can you set an environment where a helper would change the draw? Had he not advised his helper how improtant integrity was? Im not even buying the helper story at all.

I completely agree that Jose should ensure the processes have a bit more integrity, like Reagan did w/ Ollie!!

Your post above seems to infer that Frankie wanted to play MikeD. I doubt that!!

 

[Nostroke]

It seems that Frankie was OK with the bracket doctoring because it kept him from facing MikeD early on. Indications are, when the brackets were changed back, he didn't like it anymore.

I dont know how you would come to that conclusion. Frankie complained when the matches were read for the first round-then it was changed back. Frankie continued to rail on the TD because it was changed to begin with- He wouldnt let it go and eventually tossed.

 

[Steve Lipsky]

I dont know how you would come to that conclusion. Frankie complained when the matches were read for the first round-then it was changed back. Frankie continued to rail on the TD because it was changed to begin with- He wouldnt let it go and eventually tossed.

I completely agree with Nostroke, and in fact, am stunned by the reaction of most of this board.

I spoke with Frankie and Jonathan Smith last night about the situation. If you don't want to believe Frankie's side, you should believe Jon's. And they both say the same thing.

Just to clear the air on what actually happened, the fixed draw had Frankie playing Mike Davis early - not the corrected one. Yes, he could have kept quiet after it was corrected, but would any of you? I sure wouldn't have. I would be on tilt throughout the whole event, regardless if they corrected it or not. Let's change the situation just slightly and say that someone picked your pocket at the event, then you caught him and he gave your wallet back. Do you never mention it again? Or do you go around telling people to watch out for this guy?

What happened at this tournament is the most egregious misuse of trust I have ever heard at a pool tournament. If Jose didn't fire his assistant on the spot, then at the very least he is accepting full responsibility for his assistant's actions. This is not an honest mistake! This is the worst thing that can happen on a TD's watch - the DRAW WAS CHANGED. And it was done secretly.

As to the assistant's excuse that he didn't want two pros playing each other in the first round, why was this not considered every time Frankie drew Santos/Delicious/etc in the first rounds of prior tournaments? (To be fair, I got this last part from Frankie only, so I can't verify its truth.)

Say what you want about Frankie... he is a very difficult person to be sure. Some would go further and say some really bad things about him. So if Jose wants to ban him for his behavior, he should feel free. But to ban him because of THIS, and then to have many on this board support it, is literally stunning me in my tracks.

I know I'm new here, so I don't want to ruffle any feathers. But I am in awe of the egregiousness of this situation and felt I had to say something.

- Steve

 

[watchez]

That was my gut feeling when I first read this. I don't think the 'helper' was the only one involved with the 're-draw'. This Jose seems to have a very light attitude towards such a serious happening on his tour. Jose calls it simply a mistake. Hey Jose, a mistake is if your helper would've accidently wrote down the wrong name in the wrong spot. Or called the wrong player to the wrong table. But to intentionallly try to fix a tournament (which is what he did), that is unexcusable & I don't blame Frankie for being upset. And all Jose wanted to talk about was other instances with Frankie. Stay on subject. Your helper tried to cheat. Period. You should've handled that much differently. Why do you need a helper to run a tournament in the first place? This is not astro physics. A player noticed the fixing of the bracket but you didn't?? What were you doing? Making plans to go 'clubbin' that night? Did your helper buy one of these pros in the calcutta & want to give his money a better chance? Did Jose buy any of the players in the calcutta? You shouldn't kick Frankie off your tour. You should pay his entry fee to the next tournament.

 

[onepocketchump]

I completely agree with Nostroke, and in fact, am stunned by the reaction of most of this board.

I spoke with Frankie and Jonathan Smith last night about the situation. If you don't want to believe Frankie's side, you should believe Jon's. And they both say the same thing.

Just to clear the air on what actually happened, the fixed draw had Frankie playing Mike Davis early - not the corrected one. Yes, he could have kept quiet after it was corrected, but would any of you? I sure wouldn't have. I would be on tilt throughout the whole event, regardless if they corrected it or not. Let's change the situation just slightly and say that someone picked your pocket at the event, then you caught him and he gave your wallet back. Do you never mention it again? Or do you go around telling people to watch out for this guy?

What happened at this tournament is the most egregious misuse of trust I have ever heard at a pool tournament. If Jose didn't fire his assistant on the spot, then at the very least he is accepting full responsibility for his assistant's actions. This is not an honest mistake! This is the worst thing that can happen on a TD's watch - the DRAW WAS CHANGED. And it was done secretly.

As to the assistant's excuse that he didn't want two pros playing each other in the first round, why was this not considered every time Frankie drew Santos/Delicious/etc in the first rounds of prior tournaments? (To be fair, I got this last part from Frankie only, so I can't verify its truth.)

Say what you want about Frankie... he is a very difficult person to be sure. Some would go further and say some really bad things about him. So if Jose wants to ban him for his behavior, he should feel free. But to ban him because of THIS, and then to have many on this board support it, is literally stunning me in my tracks.

I know I'm new here, so I don't want to ruffle any feathers. But I am in awe of the egregiousness of this situation and felt I had to say something.

- Steve

You don't disrupt the tournament continually. If the situation was fixed then it was a NON-ISSUE at that point. How Jose' deals with his assistants is his problem. It could have been an honest mistake on the part of the guy doing the draw, it could have been a deliberate move as well. The only thing is that it was DETECTED and FIXED so there is NO NEED to DISRUPT the tournament for the REST of the players. If Frankie has problems with Jose or Jose's people then the proper person to take it up with in PRIVATE is Jose'. If there is then NO RESOLUTION then Frankie can protest however he wants to with the understanding that if his protests disrupt the tournament then he may have to protest elsewhere.

John

 

[Mike Templeton]

You don't disrupt the tournament continually. If the situation was fixed then it was a NON-ISSUE at that point. How Jose' deals with his assistants is his problem. It could have been an honest mistake on the part of the guy doing the draw, it could have been a deliberate move as well. The only thing is that it was DETECTED and FIXED so there is NO NEED to DISRUPT the tournament for the REST of the players. If Frankie has problems with Jose or Jose's people then the proper person to take it up with in PRIVATE is Jose'. If there is then NO RESOLUTION then Frankie can protest however he wants to with the understanding that if his protests disrupt the tournament then he may have to protest elsewhere.

John

I agree with John's post here.

Mike