Shane Van Boening aiming system -WOW!!

[JoeyInCali]

I have to say I really like the SVB aiming way. It really works for me. Although I learned most things from Dr Dave's book / Vids. We are all different and what works for one person doesnt always work for another. Some of the real pros just feel it without using all the aiming systems. But when I'm shooting I like to see the target rather than focus on a ghost ball spot. Once you get used to the angles 30 , 60 , 90 etc and knowing how to change position of the ferrule I find its so good! Its a bit like martial arts when I was into Jeet Kune Do. Bruce Lee's style. He once said it was different for everybody when teaching. Again what worked for one person didn't always work for another.

The only question I have though is about English on cue ball when using the SVB way. Is it better to pivot to the position on white or aim moving all of the cue to the english position? I know its wrong to steer..... but pivot? Not the same thing!! Thoughts on Pivoting?

Dr Dave fully explains backhand and FH English.
Explains pivot points of different shafts.
If you are jacked up, or have to have a short bridge you have to account for swerve or squirt.
Then what? Do you still aim with the stick or the imaginary line or ball?

 

[Patrick Johnson]

The only question I have though is about English on cue ball when using the SVB way. Is it better to pivot to the position on white or aim moving all of the cue to the english position? I know its wrong to steer..... but pivot? Not the same thing!! Thoughts on Pivoting?

Regardless of how you get to your centerball aim line, if you add side spin there will be squirt and you'll need to angle your cue/stroke to compensate for it.

As Joey said, Dr. Dave's website is a good place to start with almost any question about pool.

Squirt and Cue Ball Deflection - Dr. Dave Pool Info

Answers to frequently-asked questions (FAQs) about how to judge and compensate for cue ball deflection (squirt) in pool shots with sidespin (english).

billiards.colostate.edu

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[SpiderWebComm]

The only question I have though is about English on cue ball when using the SVB way. Is it better to pivot to the position on white or aim moving all of the cue to the english position?

PIVOT!

Thoughts on Pivoting?

When is the last time you saw a PRO player moving all of the cue to create english by way of a parallel position? Maybe never? You will here, though. Shouldn't take too much time.

 

[carlosbilliards]

Thanks. Great to chat about this and hear your thoughts. Yes I have been practising compensating.... I can see what people mean when it starts to come naturally after a while to know what compensation etc.

After I posted yesterday ...I also came across a great page from Dr Dave. He talks about back hand pivot for short shots and front end for longer. (See link below). I'm fairly new to learning. Dr Daves book 'The Illustrated Principles of Pool and Billiards' is one of my fav books! Recommend it!

https://billiards.colostate.edu/resource_files/aiming_with_english.pdf

 

[carlosbilliards]

Dr Dave fully explains backhand and FH English.
Explains pivot points of different shafts.
If you are jacked up, or have to have a short bridge you have to account for swerve or squirt.
Then what? Do you still aim with the stick or the imaginary line or ball?

Yeah with back hand pivot you can find your aiming point first then pivot to achieve English. I think for front hand pivot when doing longer shots.... i think ghost ball / line is prob the way!!!

 

[Patrick Johnson]

After I posted yesterday ...I also came across a great page from Dr Dave. He talks about back hand pivot for short shots and front end for longer.

Neither BHE nor FHE work exactly - they're guides that get you close to the required aim compensation angle to make the final estimation easier and shorten the learning curve - and that may be all you need. But if you keep reading Dr. Dave's squirt compensation stuff you'll come to the "advanced' technique that combines BHE and FHE in specific percentages for different shot lengths/speeds, shortening the learning curve even more (if you're OK with the "math").

It's explained in his System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS):

System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS) - Dr. Dave Pool Info

What is the System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS)? System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS) is a full-length instructional video by Dr. Dave that covers a simple and methodical system to find accurate lines of aim for sidespin shots of any distance, speed, and amount of spin.. It is based on...

billiards.colostate.edu

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[carlosbilliards]

Neither BHE nor FHE work exactly - they're guides that get you close to the required aim compensation angle to make the final estimation easier and shorten the learning curve - and that may be all you need. But if you keep reading Dr. Dave's squirt compensation stuff you'll come to the "advanced' technique that combines BHE and FHE in specific percentages for different shot lengths/speeds, shortening the learning curve even more (if you're OK with the "math").

It's explained in his System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS):

System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS) - Dr. Dave Pool Info

What is the System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS)? System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS) is a full-length instructional video by Dr. Dave that covers a simple and methodical system to find accurate lines of aim for sidespin shots of any distance, speed, and amount of spin.. It is based on...

billiards.colostate.edu

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Yeah thats the best advice there. Regardless of what system we like... you cant get away from that truth you mentioned..... thats the way it is nomatter what way we like to look at things. Great helpfull info there you posted!

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Yeah with back hand pivot you can find your aiming point first then pivot to achieve English. I think for front hand pivot when doing longer shots.... i think ghost ball / line is prob the way!!!

There are multiple ways to line up the stick/ferrule at various starting points on the CB and aim points on the OB.
You can have the left edge of the tip, the center of the tip, or the right edge of the tip starting out at various points on the CB which are aimed at various points on the OB. It can be inside of CCB, CCB, or outside of CCB. On the OB it can be COB, 1/4 - 3/4, or edge. Since you're using the ferrule method, this is some of the things you should know and maybe already do.

GB isn't needed because now you're using the imagination on something that doesn't exist. Your focus should be on the ferrule at different starting points on the CB to SPECIFIC visible parts of the OB and how much to pivot the tip.

Post #2 in this thread alludes to some of the same things I'm saying but doesn't go into great detail to explain all of it. I didn't either. Keep up the journey, you're headed in a good direction.

 

[The_JV]

Regardless of how you get to your centerball aim line, if you add side spin there will be squirt and you'll need to angle your cue/stroke to compensate for it.

I prefer to parallel shift to compensate for squirt. ...and by "prefer" I actually mean, "I only ever"...lol

 

[Bob Jewett]

I prefer to parallel shift to compensate for squirt. ...and by "prefer" I actually mean, "I only ever"...lol

Either you have a very different meaning for "parallel shift" than I do or you have a very, very remarkable cue.

 

[The_JV]

Either you have a very different meaning for "parallel shift" than I do or you have a very, very remarkable cue.

Nothing remarkable at all. I always cue up center CB and then apply english by shifting my entire cue to the correct point on the CB. My cue always remains "parallel" to the original cuing line and I "shifted" to the correct cuing line for required english. ...."parallel-shift"

I'm curious what you consider a "parallel shift"....?

BHE and FHE is not something I entertain.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I always cue up center CB and then apply english by shifting my entire cue to the correct point on the CB. My cue always remains "parallel" to the original cuing line and I "shifted" to the correct cuing line for required english. ...."parallel-shift"

Not possible unless:
1. the "original cueing line" was already angled to compensate for squirt
...or...
2. the shot has exactly the right length/speed for swerve to exactly compansate for squirt.

In other words, squirt always happens with side spin and must be compensated for.

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[The_JV]

Not possible unless:
1. the "original cueing line" was already angled to compensate for squirt

Yes...

2. the shot has exactly the right length/speed for swerve to exactly compansate for squirt.

Yes, when required

In other words, squirt always happens with side spin and must be compensated for.

100%

That said, I'm doing a piss poor job of explaining my methods, so I'm just to go back to not bothering again....lol

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I'm doing a piss poor job of explaining my methods,

Many players use the term "parallel english" to mean "adjusted for squirt/swerve by feel (without a system)". Is that what you mean?

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[The_JV]

Many players use the term "parallel english" to mean "adjusted for squirt/swerve by feel (without a system)". Is that what you mean?

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No, but I don't use a 'system' so lets go with yes instead

I don't think I've ever used the term 'parallel english'. This might be the first time I've ever heard that in fact.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I don't think I've ever used the term 'parallel english'.

Good. Don’t start.

In fact, I’d drop the word “parallel” from my English/spin vocabulary - it hardly ever applies.

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[JoeyInCali]

Good. Don’t start.

In fact, I’d drop the word “parallel” from my English/spin vocabulary - it hardly ever applies.

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Funny, but in that Meucci video with Jim Rempe and Lori Jon Jones, Rempe nails a long shot using and demonstrating PE

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Funny, but in that Meucci video with Jim Rempe and Lori Jon Jones, Rempe nails a long shot using and demonstrating PE

As I said, that's about the only time (longer and/or slower shot with just the right amount of compensating swerve) it can work as described.

Which vid are you talking about?

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[JoeyInCali]

As I said, that's about the only time (longer and/or slower shot with just the right amount of compensating swerve) it can work as described.

Which vid are you talking about?

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Pool School

 

[Lucky Loser]

Although Shane says he discovered this on his own shaft aiming methods have been around a long time. I had a road player show me something similar in 2002. And Hal Houle also taught a shaft aiming method. As well there was one called the Mullen Method, can be found through search on here, that also uses the ferrule to aim.

I believe that Shane certainly figured this out on his own after shooting at so many balls. He noticed that he was consistently lined up to the shaft parts when the shots were on and then it was a matter of working it out and testing it.

The big point for me is that Shane is using objective points to aim with, the shaft is a physical object, the object ball's edge and bottom are physical points, even the contact point which is the least objective of the references he talks about is looking AT the ball using the shaft as a guide.

He is living proof that a player can use a repeatable system to align and aim, this coupled with the type of sound mechanics gives consistent results.

Hi John, Here is mine...I just had it published. The Sighted Ferrule aiming was shown to me by my instructor back in the 80's. How does it compare? Please like, subscribe, and share the YouTube video as well. thanks Todd. https://www.pooldawg.com/article/pooldawg-library/sighted-ferrule-aiming