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Shane's racking "trick"
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I know all about Joe's book. That is NOT what Shane is doing on his breaks for the most part. However, when it is impossible to get a tight rack, he knows how to adjust for the gaps that are there. That in no way implies that he is intentionally putting gaps in the rack, quite the opposite in his case. Believe me, as good as Joe's book is, it is not the be all/end all in racking and breaking. :wink:
Many on here don't understand how very important it is to hit the head ball exactly where you want to, why you want to hit it there, and just what changes if you are off just a millimeter or two.
This is pure genius, you are so correct. You hit the nail on the head
The READING of the rack you described above is not permitted and illegal. You either leave the gaps "Intentionally" or you examine the rack and exploit what is left for you. That is why examining the rack and the absence of the "neutral" racker is the problem as indicated several times!
KD
KD, I respect you and your comments on this forum. So I need to ask your view on how is reading the rack any different than Tiger taking notes and playing the course before the tournament, bending down to read the lay of the green, etc?
IMO sports is all about finding the advantage. Coaches that attend a rival teams game the week before they play that team. Scouting out opposition and the flaws in their game.
Reading of the rack is certainly an advantage to the game that anyone can have if they put in the extra work. Just like Tiger showing up on Monday to play through and take notes for Thursday. Available to all pros, just some choose to take advantage of it more than others
Please quote where this rule is because it is in neither the BCA nor WPA rule book.
Just where do you get that looking at the rack and reading it is illegal? That is no different than looking at a ball near the rail to see if it is frozen or not.
What is illegal is adjusting the rack to make certain gaps that are advantageous to the breaker. That is not what he is doing.
Shane proved all of them wrong today and especially tonight. He racked and re racked when he was told to. He never looked at Dennis rack once. He broke and ran out when he could. Against Nick, he sank four balls off the break after it was double inspected.
He is a champion all the way.
I think he is a great player, which makes it even more of a shame that he resorts to cheating (rigging the rack) to win games.
It's been brought up by several players in the past, there was discussion about it last year and then again this year, and yet those who bring it up are still shouted down and attacked on here by the usual suspects.
It's a shame, and says a lot about why pool is still in the gutter.
Jay Helfert and Dennis were checking Shane's rack the entire finals and sorry but there were no gaps...He just plays good..He practices the break more than any living human..That's his magic trick. He just makes sure the one and all the other balls are frozen, so he can get the maximum out of the break shot..Also in the finals he never touched the one after he lifted the rack.
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Shane never once touched the 1 ball after the rack was lifted and both his opponent and TD checked the rack
Shane just hits the rack with proper power and accuracy more often than his opponents and in the end
the break was the difference in the match
Shane just hits the rack with proper power and accuracy more often than his opponents and in the end
the break was the difference in the match
Ill be glad when all of this is out in the open and over with. And when it is, I expect that Neils will issue an apology. If Shane is truely on the up and up, that is. Still a lot of info to come out yet.
There's a slight difference between touching balls and "touching" balls...
The definite superiority of SVB in the break shot, the main reason of his better results, does not justify the rack your own format which should be avoided in tournaments.
As far as the corner ball made when 9 is racked on the spot, that is not possible if the balls are well touching each other and the rack is placed perfectly straight, this can be verified when racking on a magic rack or a tapped rack area.
We all know that a kiss route of two object balls can be altered by the use of force and back spin, but in a "proper" rack the corner ball is too high when balls are racked with 9 on the spot, even in modern fast cloth. In the old days you had to be careful if your opponent racked the balls just a bit higher, making the corner ball more difficult to be made in the brake.
So the corner ball in this case (9 on the spot) needs either some space behind it, or the rack shifted just a bit, or both, or even the ball behind it "touching" instead of touching, meaning being in a "firm" contact with it.
It's more possible to have the ball behind the corner ball made under these conditions.
A magic rack is the best solution, better than tapping which damages the table.
You may get problems with a magic rack too, in case the rack is not new, defected, table slate or cloth or balls are not in good condition.
But if you have not these problems, magic rack can be really the best.
Regardless of where the balls are racked and the use of a box or not (of any size decided), this way you can have a "fair environment" in matches if a neutral racker is not provided, just rack for the opponent making sure all balls are touching (most times they will be perfectly placed), allow check by the breaker +/- tournament director, even allow pattern racking against the breaker by his racker opponent (debatable but "user friendly" when no referee is provided) which may be overcomed by changing break sides, that's the only true legal defence against the breaker.
That, along with winner break formats, should preserve the highest competitive nature of 9ball and 10ball in a good and spectacular way, racking your own with a triangle may still be used in 14.1 and 8ball, with alternate break format in 8ball.
Petros
The definite superiority of SVB in the break shot, the main reason of his better results, does not justify the rack your own format which should be avoided in tournaments.
As far as the corner ball made when 9 is racked on the spot, that is not possible if the balls are well touching each other and the rack is placed perfectly straight, this can be verified when racking on a magic rack or a tapped rack area.
We all know that a kiss route of two object balls can be altered by the use of force and back spin, but in a "proper" rack the corner ball is too high when balls are racked with 9 on the spot, even in modern fast cloth. In the old days you had to be careful if your opponent racked the balls just a bit higher, making the corner ball more difficult to be made in the brake.
So the corner ball in this case (9 on the spot) needs either some space behind it, or the rack shifted just a bit, or both, or even the ball behind it "touching" instead of touching, meaning being in a "firm" contact with it.
It's more possible to have the ball behind the corner ball made under these conditions.
A magic rack is the best solution, better than tapping which damages the table.
You may get problems with a magic rack too, in case the rack is not new, defected, table slate or cloth or balls are not in good condition.
But if you have not these problems, magic rack can be really the best.
Regardless of where the balls are racked and the use of a box or not (of any size decided), this way you can have a "fair environment" in matches if a neutral racker is not provided, just rack for the opponent making sure all balls are touching (most times they will be perfectly placed), allow check by the breaker +/- tournament director, even allow pattern racking against the breaker by his racker opponent (debatable but "user friendly" when no referee is provided) which may be overcomed by changing break sides, that's the only true legal defence against the breaker.
That, along with winner break formats, should preserve the highest competitive nature of 9ball and 10ball in a good and spectacular way, racking your own with a triangle may still be used in 14.1 and 8ball, with alternate break format in 8ball.
Petros
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The consensus among players in the pool room was that you can bet all you want against Shane if you think he was rigging the rack.
Pick your player. Pick your rack. Pick your racker and bet $50,000 in a race to 100.
No takers?
Case closed. Sour grapes from the losers. If all this is so well known the Shane wouldn't have gotten away with it five minutes into the tournament. Fact is he simply outbreaks almost everyone else.
Lots of things are discussed, does that make those things true.
When you're discussed it doesn't mean everything said is true,
just means that it was a waste of time !
Stop your whining already !
PS. Calling one of the best players in the game a cheat, you don't
even know what you're talking about. That's funny.
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I'd like to see a bet where Shane can't touch the rack and he has to make the corner ball off a perfect tight rack, 9 on the spot.
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Why SVB didn t have that brake in WCoP?
This is just an asinine post. You do know he took 5th in Worlds right? 5th in the WORLD! That in itself is a win especially when lots of players are just good as him. Idk about you but if be happy if I was the 5th best player in my city. He goes from being a big fish In a small pond to being a big fish in a big pond that has other big fish.