Tor Lowry teaches "automatic aiming".
Kinda complicated though.
Shoot the same shot some 30 times or so.
Shaw's Aiming
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Tor Lowry teaches "automatic aiming".
Kinda complicated though.
Shoot the same shot some 30 times or so.
Tell your "people" contact me. I don't talk to you. Whoever is putting up the money can talk to me directly and we can make our arrangements.
Don't need to. You're the player. They have the money. I will tell them when I can play and it's up to them to get you to the table.
Anyway, still waiting....
You have no idea who has the money
Lou Figueroa
I don't care who has the money. If it's you then call me and we can make arrangements to put 40k in escrow.
Until then son it's just head games. I don't care how it happens as long as we get the whole stake posted up front.
Yes, you keep using this one example. One of a handful of the greatest players of the 20th century says his stroke is perfect and he only misses due to aim. If he says so I believe it, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the 99.9999% of the rest of us.
I'm sure you would be the first to say you have a pretty whacked out stroke. You really believe your stroke is better than your aim? If that is the case then you should be able to make corner to corner shots all day long because there is no aiming in a straight in shot... it's just straight.
But...but.. you're not talking to me. How do that work?
I guess I shall sent you messages via mental telepathy. So put your CTE foil cap on, John
Lou Figueroa
here it comes
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But...but.. you're not talking to me. How do that work?
I guess I shall sent you messages via mental telepathy. So put your CTE foil cap on, John
Lou Figueroa
here it comes
Post the money son.
It was one example.
The point is that you are talking about a point that has been addressed hundreds of times. AIMING and STROKING are different things.
First you AIM
Then you STROKE
You can AIM wrong and your straight stroke will not make the object ball.
You can AIM wrong and a crooked stroke can make the object ball.
You can aim dead straight and your crooked stroke will not make the object ball.
How hard is this to understand?
I can aim wrong and put the cue in Shane Van Boeing's hands and he CANNOT make the object ball with a laser straight stroke. Shane can aim perfectly and I will miss a lot of the shots he aims because of my bad stroke.
But it SILLY to say that developing a good stroke means that a person can aim accurately.
In fact... I would put forth that because aiming has been taken for granted that many players develop a CROOKED stroke AFTER having worked hard to develop a straight one because they are not aiming right and they start to compensate for the wrong aim by throwing the cueball into the right line.
I know that when I young I did the coke bottle thing for hours. I put tape on the kitchen table and stroked along the tape line. I shot straight in shots for hours. But somewhere along the line I started to develop "body english" and I fully believe it was because I could not see a lot of shots accurately so I figured out that I could twist the balls in with a little movement here and there.
When Hal Houle asked to see me I thought he had nothing of value to teach me. I thought aiming was a given. Until he asked me to put up a shot I had trouble with and told me how to aim it using one of his systems. The shot looked totally wrong to me but after a few tries to get my mind out of the way I was splitting the back of the pocket.
So you can say whatever you want but Aiming is not a given just because you have a great stroke. They are simply two components involved in the shot and AIMING is always first.
If you had Shane's stroke and aimed by feel or ghost ball, you'd still be a pro and a world beater.
If you have your stroke now and full-on understanding of CTE, you're still not going to be a pro.
The stroke comes first over esoteric aiming system.
The main cause of missing, is not sending the cue ball to the spot you intended.
Jerry Breisath and Mark Wilson have maintained that.
It's interesting to me how logical you can be when the topic is anything other than how CTE works, but more on that in another thread.
My point was simply this: many people do not really understand what a straight stroke is. They think they have a good stroke but aren't experienced enough to realize that there is another level of precision beyond what they have thought possible or even necessary. So when they miss a shot, they naturally assume their aim was bad. In fact the problem may well have been not the aim but the stroke.
Of course everybody's journey is different, but this is a pretty common issue among all players. Like I said before, if you can't hit the cue ball up and down the table perfectly, then you are most definitely missing shots due to a fudged up stroke.
GoldenFlash
Banned
What happened to "I Give Up"....???
The spot on an object ball that needs to be contacted by the cue ball for success in pocketing is about the size of a pencil eraser, I'd guess...maybe even smaller.
Draw a dot about 1/8" in diameter on the end rail of a 4.1/2 x 9 table with a pen and stick me on the other end with the cue ball.
I'm betting I hit that dot a hundred times in a row. I'm betting you can do the exact same thing.
And unlike you and some of these experts, I am a total dummy when it comes to shooting great pool.
CTE should've been given a name like "High Percentage Aiming"... Maybe all this griping and snarling about "it won't work" "it's a hoax" "it's a lie", etc. would've never happened.
We'll never know.
Wrong.
The spot on an object ball that needs to be contacted by the cue ball for success in pocketing is about the size of a pencil eraser, I'd guess...maybe even smaller.
Draw a dot about 1/8" in diameter on the end rail of a 4.1/2 x 9 table with a pen and stick me on the other end with the cue ball.
I'm betting I hit that dot a hundred times in a row. I'm betting you can do the exact same thing.
And unlike you and some of these experts, I am a total dummy when it comes to shooting great pool.
CTE should've been given a name like "High Percentage Aiming"... Maybe all this griping and snarling about "it won't work" "it's a hoax" "it's a lie", etc. would've never happened.
We'll never know.
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Only CTE gets you a high percentage to hit the contact point ?
How can you consistently hit the contact point if your stroke is whacked????
I have yet to see a bad player with a perfect stroke.
No aiming system is going to help someone all that much if he has a whacked up stroke.
And a pivot system is more detrimental to that person imo.
This of course does not say CTE doesn't work.
But, a consistent straight stroke is a lot more important than esoteric aiming systems.
No it's the exact opposite among amateurs. People take aiming for granted and think that they missed because their stroke was bad.
But this is again a point that has come up hundreds of times.
Which is that IF an aiming system is found to work to bring the player to the dead nuts perfect shot line then the aiming part is taken care of and the shooter can make a pretty easy determination that their stroke was the problem when they know that they were 100% on the correct shot line.
I referenced this like four years ago in this video, Stroking on the Known Line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vd0yHk8LMw
Really? That's exactly what I said.
The main causes of not sending the ball to where you intended are not aiming properly and not stroking properly. Which one was the reason you missed?
tell me who plays pool at any level who doesn't aim first?
It's no one. No player from the most casual bar banger to the world's best player strokes before they aim. So, aiming comes before stroking as I said.
Now you can certainly teach how to make a bridge, how to stand and how to stroke before aiming. That only makes sense as aiming without execution is useless.
But in practice aiming is ALWAYS done first.
GoldenFlash
Banned
I will try to answer.
1.I have an excellent stroke...it's beautiful, even Mosconi said that. Yet, I am a bad shooter. (but not as bad as I was before embracing CTE. And my stroke has not changed one iota). Previously I had eyes examined, my game video taped, made stance adjustments, grip adjustments, bridge adjustments, you name it. But I was still a bad shooter....about half-ass mediocre low end shortstop level.
2. I will state that until I began visiting pool shooting on-line places, I never even knew there were so many methods of aiming. After over 60 years of being in pool rooms, I only heard it discussed maybe 2 or 3 times. All I ever heard was "just estimate until it looks good and then keep practicing".
2.CTE pocketing results or even Ghost Ball pocketing results have little to do with a stroke that isn't, as you put it, "whacked". CTE does give a higher percentage over Ghost Ball.....FOR ME.
3. Please re-read post #54. I'm betting you can hit that 1/8" dot too...probably with your eyes closed too, after you aim at it. No matter how you aim at it.
4. Correct aiming comes first and making the shot follows..
Cheers :smile:
I"m pretty sure based on this comment that you don't understand the issue. You as much said you are a bar banger level player, so it follows my original point that you wouldn't understand the stroke, and instead would blame too many misses on bad aim.
Can you shoot the cue ball up and back hitting the tip of your cue 10 times in a row? Can you put draw on the cue ball and do the same thing even two times in a row? If not, then you have stroke issues that are causing you to miss. Fix that and you will miss less frequently due to "aiming" error. Just to be clear, I put that word in quotations to indicate that it isn't really an aiming error, but a stroke error.
I have to 'splain everything around here.