Shot Question for Pros and AZBers. :thumbup:

JoeyA

JoeyA

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(I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT USING A MASSE DRAW STROKE TO MAKE THIS TWO BALL AND DRAW THE CUE INTO THE CORNER POCKET)

This is a power drill shot that some of you have lalready tried. I am curious for those of you who are inclined to try this shot if you think it can be made more easily using what type of "English" or simply just draw only.

John Schmidt, Ralf Souquet, Donny Mills, Chris Bartram, UnknownPro, Danny Harriman, Sarah Rousey, Grady Mathews, Corey Harper, JimmyM, Travis Trotter and all of the other pros are especially requested to respond. The rest of you AZBers can answer too. :D Don't be shy. I would like to see everyone put their own answer on the line.

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Thanks,
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
(I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT USING A MASSE DRAW STROKE TO MAKE THIS TWO BALL AND DRAW THE CUE INTO THE CORNER POCKET)

This is a power drill shot that some of you have lalready tried. I am curious for those of you who are inclined to try this shot if you think it can be made more easily using what type of "English" or simply just draw only.

John Schmidt, Ralf Souquet, Donny Mills, Chris Bartram, UnknownPro, Danny Harriman, Sarah Rousey, Grady Mathews, Corey Harper, JimmyM, Travis Trotter and all of the other pros are especially requested to respond. The rest of you AZBers can answer too. :D Don't be shy. I would like to see everyone put their own answer on the line.

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Thanks,
JoeyA
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I'm especially interested in hearing from Travis. Personally I'm of the opinion that this doesn't take much more than a medium to hard stroke with bottom.
 
Black-Balled said:
supergreenman said:
I'm especially interested in hearing from Travis...
hahaha
Hard to tell from the angle, JoeyA. Do you have to force an angle?

If so, I like a touch of inside- left in this case.
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Looks to me like there's plenty of angle. It actually looks to me like the problem is too much angle, and it's hard to avoid going into the side rail before the draw has finished "taking".

Joey, I can't set it up on a real table right now, but if the angle is significant and it's difficult to get the CB to come back at an acute angle, then this shot is easier for me with low outside english (right in this case). I use the outside to throw the OB into the pocket, meaning I can actually hit the ball more full. Then it's just a matter of finding the right medium speed where I get enough draw without powering the CB into the rail.

-Andrew
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low right, the little bit of outside english so you can aim a little thicker so the cue ball can take english quicker.
 
Straight draw or draw with a touch of inside (left) english. This result has no chance with outside (right) english in my opinion.
 
I started to suggest you throw the ball with right english upon seeing the first thread. The deal here is this - you use a slightly different stroke than just a draw stroke. That is the secret to pool. Mastering all the strokes.

Wen hit properly, the cueball will barely be rolling when it falls in the corner.
 
Either top left english forcefollow go off 3 rails or just draw off one rail. Not exactly an easy position shot. Also if you do the 3 rails you do have the option to combo.
 
FYI, I looked at the table layout with gridlines to see the exact position of the OB. It's exactly 1/2 diamond from the side rail exactly opposite the middle diamond between the side and corner pocket.

pj
chgo
 
Just tried it. The best I could do consitently is low with 1/2 tip right to draw off 1 rail and set up for the combo. Follow three rails was next.

How are you moving the cue in your original diagram?
 
L O L

Marop said:
Straight draw or draw with a touch of inside (left) english. This result has no chance with outside (right) english in my opinion.
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THAT IS FUNNY!!!

:smile:

td
 
Maybe I looked to long

According to my screen left spin is inside, right spin is outside.

I have to admit that I would have to try this shot on a table to know how to shoot it but I will try some low right first. Right spin will pull the cue ball away from the rail on the return trip helping it get down to the corner fighting the tangent line and natural draw line. Speed is going to have a big effect on how you try to make this shot. I first thought Joey meant for the cue ball to scratch in this test. Rereading the information it is supposed to stop in the corner pocket. Given that I think I'll go with medium speed draw and add right spin until I get the job done. The cue ball is going to slide right on something near the tangent line before coming back and I think the hardest part of the shot is keeping the cue ball from rebounding off of the rail. Another advantage of right spin is if the cue ball does touch the rail near the corner pocket it will have more of a tendency to run down it too.

Put me down for low right but I'll have to admit it wasn't the thunk I thunk first!

Hu
 
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Originally Posted by Marop
Straight draw or draw with a touch of inside (left) english. This result has no chance with outside (right) english in my opinion.



grindz said:
THAT IS FUNNY!!!

:smile:

td
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What is funny?

Do you think low left, low right or just low???

Do YOU have an opinion?

Inquiring minds want to know
 
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It looks like you can cheat the pocket a little bit and create the little bit of extra angle you need to bring the cueball back in the direction diagramed. Any english used on this shot will definately increase missability. Medium stroke should get you there. Anything harder will decrease your chances of pocketing the object ball.

if you wanted to experiment you could use inside english to help create an angl, but the likelihood of pocketing the objeact ball decreases and some funky things start to happen with squirt, deflection, etc.
 
I guess Ralf and the other guys just aren't up to trying this shot.

All good replies! Thanks!

Just remember to remove the two balls, closest to the rail.

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If you make the object ball and hit the 2 ball you are a fairly good player. If you hit the 3 ball you are a very good player and if you go in between the 3 ball and the pocket you are a very advanced player or just have a table that is designed for bangers. J/k Grindz. :D

Patrick, how did you do on the shot now that I have described the exact position of the object ball?

JoeyA
 
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Draw with just a little bit of right will do it. For this shot, you would have to hit soft enough so that the cue ball does not follow the tangent line into the long rail. If its hit soft enough with a good stroke, the draw will bring it back towards the upper right corner pocket before it hits the rail.
 
I'll set the shot up tomorrow when everyone is awake (slamming balls in the living room will probably wake the baby up ;)). Just by looking at the diagram, I want to say that I'd hit it with center draw (and a lot of it), but I might feel differently when I'm actually looking at the shot in person.

I might have to buy myself something if I stick the cue ball in the jaws like that - you know - as a reward. I'll pretend that I beat myself out of something on a proposition bet. lol
 
i cant tell how much angle is there....so its probably just a cheat the pocket a little draw stroke...who knows alot of u guys play better than i do probably :o)
 
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